The Desperation / IVF BABIES

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Carnage wrote:

I think they have like 9 donors left in all London…

No.

Nine donors total in all of the entirety of the United Kingdom.

And that was a few years ago.

The next year they had zero.

The U.K. National Sperm Bank is now closed and their fertility clinics are now buying from overseas.

Beer wrote:

they’ll change the laws so sperm donors become more responsible financially for these kids

Already done, with the predictable result. See above.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

I looked this up and did some real digging. And man, there is actually a market for this stuff where women travel in order to get the treatment.

What should scare you, is what the outcome of this is overall long term.

These kids do not grow up with a better outlook. Actually, most of them have trouble all their lives.

The link below is to a slate article that’s kind of bias but has some good points.
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/06/the_spermdonor_kids_are_not_really_all_right.html

It strongly hints that Sperm donors are going to be responsible for paying child support in the future in the states. And of course, it’s not really fair to the children if you think about it and can set them up for all sorts of problems.

It seems that these kids know that the dad they see is not theirs. Also these kids also know something is up with how they were brought in.

Maybe it’s just how these moms raise the kids, but overall, there is strong evidence that supports that this way of making a baby might have some complications. Or the parents are just sucky parents.

But one thing is for sure, Kids who come from families where LOVE is actually apart of the equation just do better. Sure as men, we have the option of ourselves pushing for the artificial womb. Fine. No problem. And that we will have no shortages of women wanting to give their eggs.

The problem with that is, they are still not going to have all the benefits of having a mom and a dad that at some very low level, they will connect with. There are so many things that are still not known that affect human behavior that just having one parent can lead to. Now, it is possible to make mini you, and that’s great. Sure. It solves a reproduction issue. But that’s not the whole picture.

Arguably, a kid is better if it is in a LOVING environment vs a f~~~ed up one. No doubt.

But what is going on here I think is that these mom’s don’t really understand what they are doing here. They are sidestepping having a father around, and then really f~~~ing up their children.

Not only that, but what you are seeing here is that these kids are starting to have some real issues with themselves.

The idea of a dad having kids that are not his own does pose problems. But Fathers, for some reason do a better job at integrating with other men’s children on the whole.

However, the mother does not seem to be able to do this on the same level for some reason.
And Oddly, it seems that these kids are not only left feeling lost but alienated as well even though they have never been told they are IVF kids.

Now genetic traits do play a very important part. But just like anything, there are good and bad about it.

Overall, Moms that do this don’t seem to be up for the parenting bit. If they were, they would also pay for the man to be in their lives as well, and give up their careers to be housewives. BUT THEY DON’T.

I think the kids catch on to this very early. See, Fathers even though they are gone a bunch who love their children Imprint on their kids in some way that they just “know” dad is out there working his ass of for them. The Good women out there make sure of this as well. Its just what happens when 2 people are really there for each other when a relationship is more about the people, then the paycheck.

What our modern day world has done is told women is that kids will grow just fine without a father there.

They still grow. But boy, for people that want kids so bad, you think they would go out of their way to get the whole package.

Kids that grow without their dads, even with their fathers the top of the heap of qualities women are looking for are really setting themselves up for a BIG failure.

These women are picking men that have a High IQ. Smart, good jobs. But what is never asked is WHY these men would give their sperm away instead of having the children with women. That should be a red flag.

Now the other thing is troubling is that these women are looking for the top tier men to have their sperm. What they are not seeing here is that these men might be smart, but they are no where going to make kids that are even going to be anywhere NEAR that of Joe the plumber, or Mark the Horny Dentist that f~~~s only asian women etc.

The part they are missing is that these men would NEVER have even the slight IOTA of having kids with the women that are getting their sperm. And there lies the problems.

These women are choosing on the basis of that these men would ever be willing to have kids or even a relationship with these women in the first place.

What should REALLY be told here is that these women should not be choosing men, but the men should be selecting what women their sperm goes to.

Just the ACT of doing that is going to give better results for these women. That is the Missing part of the puzzle. A ton of these kids not only have problems with the law and growing up, but other odd things occur that even the environment they are raised in would be ideal, but the kids end up having Neurological issues, crime problems etc.

But hey, the live. That’s better then ending up at planned parenthood. Or having to take care of another man’s baby.

What no one is asking is, maybe if these women could not find a man they wanted to f~~~, or would not f~~~ them, What is the odds that that kid should not have been born? I mean.. IF she sucks so bad that a man steers clear of her, and she can’t seem to find love, or no one will actually love this woman. Chances are, she should not be having kids. End of story.

For the older women out there, that are using Sperm banks to have kids later in life… You have to wonder. Maybe the idea here is not so much about having kids that your body won’t take. But maybe… The reason why your not able to get prego, is that Nature is telling you that you are going to be a s~~~ mom. Just saying.

Now I know there are women out there that can’t have kids. But is it any wonder why women who have type one diabetes are not able to have kids? MIGHT be a reason for that. Just saying.

Again. Money talks Bulls~~~ walks. And whatever the woman wants is good. I hate to say this. But maybe the 60,000 that are born in the US and climbing are maybe not the best choice to have these kids in the first place. Might explain some of the cucks out there. And maybe some of the other real problems out there as well.

I know this maybe hard to swallow, but maybe.. She should just keep doing that. Just saying.

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[OldBillParticipant]

iMickey503 wrote:

did some real digging

You sure did. That article is over seven years old.

The psychological issues of some IVF children about are much the same as the ones adopted children have and those issues are behind the slow push to unseal adoption records in many US states. Nearly all Legislation unsealing adoption records has included provisions to protect the birth mother.

Let me repeat that, included provisions to protect the birth MOTHER. Among other things, birth mothers are shielded from support payments and money grabs. Legislation to pierce the anonymity of sperm donors will not have similar provisions because sperm donors are men.

The consequences are obvious to anyone without two X chromosomes and have already been seen in places like the UK. In the 12 months after the UK removed anonymity from donors as part of creating a national sperm bank, they were able to sign up all of seven donors. The lack of donations meant the UK’s national bank had to begin importing sperm from Denmark.

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[narwhalParticipant]

I don’t know what to think about this. One of the common topics on here is the coming artificial wombs, and how it would bring freedom to men to have children without the involvement of women. I can’t support men being father’s without a mother if I don’t also allow for women to have kids without a man. I understand there are statistics regard what is favorable and what is not, but I do not want the state deciding who should and who should not have kids.

In some ways I see this as a necessary evil. It’s the logical result of what’s happen to marriage and the rise of feminism. But it really isn’t a necessary evil, since I can’t really see anything good coming from it.

I absolutely see the point that children are best raised with loving mother AND father. However, I can’t marry that with the idea that men should never ‘go back to the plantation’. If single parenthood is not the right answer, and marriage (even a corrected marriage structure) isn’t the answer, than what is? Is the answer that reproduction shouldn’t happen and the human race should just end?

Ok. Then do it.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

iMickey503 wrote:

These kids do not grow up with a better outlook. Actually, most of them have trouble all their lives.

tl;dr: Single mothers make the worst parents.

But then we already knew that.

[Anonymous 3]

narwhal wrote:

I absolutely see the point that children are best raised with loving mother AND father. However, I can’t marry that with the idea that men should never ‘go back to the plantation’. If single parenthood is not the right answer, and marriage (even a corrected marriage structure) isn’t the answer, than what is? Is the answer that reproduction shouldn’t happen and the human race should just end?

The absolute best thing is for a two parent household where the man is the undisputed authority over his wife and children.

But as long as people believe in equality, that can’t happen.

So society will continue to double down and come up with more ridiculous and idiotic solutions to dance around female inferiority.

Men were never meant to be in a plantation. Each man is supposed to be the sovereign of his home. The idea that men should be subservient to women is Satanic.

[SH3LLZParticipant 5569]

Anonymous wrote:

The idea that men should be subservient to women is Satanic.

Amen brother! We are in the last days. I always say the first feminist was the devil when he convinced Eve she could be “like God”, effectively making her think she could be a goddess. Humanity has been in a downward spiral ever since.

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[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

I would be appreciative of a massive EMP pulse from the sun ala Carrington Event. Blowing out those useless freaks in Silicon Valley, millions of useless sheeple starving to death after the food runs out in the stores, all the sperm in the sperm banks thawing out and rotting.

(Maybe desperate starving women will raid sperm banks as a last-ditch protein source)

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Eric Lauder wrote:

The last part gave me a good laugh, since it’s absolutely unrealistic and is pure comedy: she allege that various men who previously dumped her saw her as “more interesting/attractive” AFTER SHE HAD THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!
LOLOLOLOL

Yeah! I’m calling bulls~~~ on that.

A 30-year old woman with 2 young children is a boner-killer. I don’t know what the f~~~ a 40-year old with 2 young children is but I’m sure it would take more than Viagra.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Prefer Peace to Piece wrote:

She doesn’t care about the kids. Only about becoming pregnant from the seed of a 6’2″ toned guy. The kids will probably require governmental assistance. The kids will probably be maladjusted. She may attempt to go after the sperm donor for child support.

Two-faced, hypocritical pseudo-Christian, superfluous, selfish c~~~ – is the term I would use to describe her.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

narwhal wrote:

If single parenthood is not the right answer, and marriage (even a corrected marriage structure) isn’t the answer, than what is? Is the answer that reproduction shouldn’t happen and the human race should just end?

Sounds good to me. Doesn’t bother me if the human race goes extinct in a hundred years instead of a thousand.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

I have a solution: state-funded IVF babies, but with the stipulation that the babies turn 18 they have to go into the military for 10 years.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[TwistParticipant]

Feminist dream – IVF knock up that she can abort in 8 months after garnering all the preggo attention.

Rinse & repeat.

#ShoutYourIVFAbortion

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

The absolute best thing is for a two parent household where the man is the undisputed authority over his wife and children.

Actually no.

Statistics show that single fathers beat two parent households handily. Admittedly there’s some selection bias there, because single fathers have to be f~~~ing millionaire saints for the courts to award them custody, but there’s not enough bias to explain the gap, especially considering how widowers also beat two parent households.

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