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I’m at the very head of GenX. The biggest problem for my generation has been that the Boomers won’t retire.
The boomers won’t retire, they create mountains of debt, drive up prices for everything, pushed through government freedom-destroying regulations, and they aborted over half of Generation X.
and they aborted over half of Generation X.
I think that’s a generously low estimation.
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805because women aren’t worth impregnating any more?
Im not arguing, just pointing stuff out.
It’s not that men are backing out of marriage or fatherhood… we want women. I’d love some actually, Id get married…
Women have quit though.
Women are distracted by modernity and have ceased reproduction. You can get a woman pregnant if you try but she will probably abort your kid. Happen to me twice
It’s not that MGTOW is getting popular, it isn’t. And men are not getting tired of women’s hypergamy and misandric privileges in the system, we aren’t. MEN as usual, will do anything for sex and a relationship. Cuckery is very popular…
The problem is Women are busy playing with modern toys, making modern salaries and using their vagina for fun and gains… they have no time to have a kid! Are you kidding? That would spoil their meTime. They’ve got it perfectly laid out: On Demand Abortion & Contraception. They’ve got a whole corporate society paying them men’s salaries and they’ve got Hollywood cranking out more Disney female equality movies all the time! Everything from Zootopia to Hunger Games and 50 more in the last 5 years alone.
Women are not women anymore, not in the natural sense of what a female does behaviorally for it’s species. Sure, they put out if you play your cards right but your seed is useless in the face of women’s “healthcare” (tax paid abortions/contraception). The only reason a woman has a kid these days is for a few reasons:
A. entrapping a rich man’s wallet with child supportB. turned 40 and always wanted apetchildC. guilt tripped into keeping the baby by family or religious pressure…
Unfortunately, A,B & C are not enough to keep the birthrate at replenishment level. Eventually you have too few of people to run the national Gross Domestic Product… there wont even be enough Mexicans to drive trucks or stock shelves or change oil. Economic collapse.
They think you can shame men into “man up”…… We’re not the problem! We want sex and to be fathers… Women get laid all the time in fact. The problem is your average slutty women get’s the baby terminated, wake up Uncle Sam, you want tax payers for the year 2050? Well, there goes another fetus down the toilet… Not my problem… What’s funny is, the government thinks Mexican chicks aren’t about to do the same damn thing white women did. They are… they wish they were white women driving Audi Crossover and soon they will be, infact they already are. And they love abortion too.Wow, very interesting take on the the situation.
The only thing I’d add to you reason to have a child:D.) Free handouts from daddy government via welfare, section 8 housing etc. The holy grail is to have 3-4 kids, from 3-4 different dads. This entitles you to a welfare house, not an apartment, and maximizes the government handouts. Baby boomers and generation X have cornered this market. If you can squeeze child support from even 2 of the bio dads, that increases your bottom line. Yet, there is still the hassle of having kids.
With the prevalence of subsidies (disability) for mental health (real or imagined) and high paying government jobs that require no work and no responsibility, the welfare mom model is not ideal choice for the millennial generation. If they cannot hook into one of these jobs, they are happy to live in their parents basements, have “fun” well into their 40s, collect disability or unemployment. Once their parents die, the house is sold, they are in for a rude awakening. And by that point it will be too late, reproductively speaking, to be a welfare queen like their generation X counterparts.
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and they aborted over half of Generation X.
I think that’s a generously low estimation.
You are likely correct, as sad is that situation is.
The same people screaming about the birth rate also cheer only legalized abortion. They talk from both sides of their mouth while they refuse to admit there is a connection between the two issues.
They talk from both sides of their mouth
With women, its always a massive double standard. I believe the phrase was invented just to explain women…. lol
They blame men for the birthrate… but it has nothing to do with men LOL. There is no shortage of guys wanting LTRs, take a look at the dating apps… there is an army of men dying to get married.
The problem is women dont want to be Moms. Disney told them they can do anything men can do, so women want to be CEOs, Astronauts etc… Being a mom or a wife is now seen as female slavery. Cant have that!
They use their beaver to get what they want… but if the beaver gets damned up with child, she breaks the levy.
I am still holding out for that f~~~ing meteorite….
Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.
If they cannot hook into one of these jobs, they are happy to live in their parents basements, have “fun” well into their 40s, collect disability or unemployment. Once their parents die, the house is sold, they are in for a rude awakening.
The rude awakening being that the parents took out a reverse mortgage or refinanced 10 f~~~ing times and there is no equity in the house. And no 401K balance, and no savings account. And the BMW was leased. And they had no life insurance.
The rude awakening will be a negative net worth to the parent’s estate, and a bill to bury them.
The Greatest Generation may have done some great s~~~, but parenting wasn’t one of them.
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Anonymous5There’s a lot of truth in saying it’s women who are opting out of their natural biological roles in favor of the “You Go Girl!” construct fantasy, till reality hits them at about 30.
But it’s also true that a substantial part of the problem is men are starting to see the reality of modern wedlock and fatherhood, even Blue Pill men, though they don’t accept AWALT.It’s no coincidence that Japan has by far the highest proportion of MGTOW on earth. Their numbers are staggering and the government is at a complete loss as to how to handle the phenomenon.
Of course, the government (being gynocentric, like the whole of modern society) will never address the real reasons Japanese men are refusing to move onto the plantation.
Japanese MGTOW’s only real difference from Western MGTOW is mainly their path to MGTOW. They scorn their fathers as “Salarymen” (which is sad in a way) and they’re determined not to make their father’s mistakes by getting married.
Western MGTOW are usually the result of bad experiences with women.Already in Australia they’ve started upping the retirement age to cope. It will be 67 by July 2023 and will hit 70 by 2035 so any Australian in here under 53 won’t be retiring till 70.
It’s a sure bet they’ll be raising the retirement age again before 2035 so don’t rely on 70 for retirement.Augustus Caesar faced exactly the same demographic problems with unleashed female nature.
He severely curtailed the frivolous reasons why women could get a divorce and radically reduced their payout of cash and prizes. He also introduced the Bachelor tax on men.
It worked. Rome had an unrivaled time of decades of growth, peace and prosperity.
However, when he died, most of his laws were repealed or ignored and Rome continued on it’s death spiral.When Augustus took power, and now, tradcon married women had/have astonishing financial incentives to divorce, who can blame them for doing so?
If Trump can make any dent into the liberal insanity of the world today, it’ll only be till he gets kicked out. Furthermore, our civilization is so feminized that any leader of any type will immediately face political crucifixion and oblivion for even suggesting that females lose any of their extremely gender biassed advantages over men.
If only MRA’s could understand that.the US population is being propped up by immigration
THIS^^^
Immigrants will displace/are replacing Americans in the United States work force. It’s not the same case in Japan. The Japanese aren’t as keen on immigration…
There’s a lot of truth in saying it’s women who are opting out of their natural biological roles in favor of the “You Go Girl!” construct fantasy, till reality hits them at about 30.But it’s also true that a substantial part of the problem is men are starting to see the reality of modern wedlock and fatherhood, even Blue Pill men, though they don’t accept AWALT.
It’s no coincidence that Japan has by far the highest proportion of MGTOW on earth. Their numbers are staggering and the government is at a complete loss as to how to handle the phenomenon.Of course, the government (being gynocentric, like the whole of modern society) will never address the real reasons Japanese men are refusing to move onto the plantation.Japanese MGTOW’s only real difference from Western MGTOW is mainly their path to MGTOW. They scorn their fathers as “Salarymen” (which is sad in a way) and they’re determined not to make their father’s mistakes by getting married. Western MGTOW are usually the result of bad experiences with women.
Already in Australia they’ve started upping the retirement age to cope. It will be 67 by July 2023 and will hit 70 by 2035 so any Australian in here under 53 won’t be retiring till 70.It’s a sure bet they’ll be raising the retirement age again before 2035 so don’t rely on 70 for retirement.
Augustus Caesar faced exactly the same demographic problems with unleashed female nature.He severely curtailed the frivolous reasons why women could get a divorce and radically reduced their payout of cash and prizes. He also introduced the Bachelor tax on men.It worked. Rome had an unrivaled time of decades of growth, peace and prosperity.However, when he died, most of his laws were repealed or ignored and Rome continued on it’s death spiral.
When Augustus took power, and now, tradcon married women had/have astonishing financial incentives to divorce, who can blame them for doing so?If Trump can make any dent into the liberal insanity of the world today, it’ll only be till he gets kicked out. Furthermore, our civilization is so feminized that any leader of any type will immediately face political crucifixion and oblivion for even suggesting that females lose any of their extremely gender biassed advantages over men.If only MRA’s could understand that.It actually doesnt even matter what they pick, they will all be unhappy and blame men for whatever is “wrong” in their lives from their personal choices. She chooses to go career first, it will not work out how she expects, so hamster will blame men for her being childless and forcing her to work, all this time in a career she never really wanted. She chooses to have kids first, hates being housewife and dealing with kids, wishes she had a career and power and hates man for having what she doesn’t.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
Anonymous1It’s going to be even worse for the West because Japan doesn’t have or want any immigrants.
Correct. Europe is going to be in much worse shape than Japan. Places like Germany, where the Birth Rate is low and the Government is importing third world migrants by the millions. That is national suicide.
Japan is managing their birth rate situation very well by refusing to take in any immigrants. Its actually working out very well for the Japanese. Compare their system with China’s compulsory one child policy. Japan is reducing population without force of law and maintaining their Culture and Economy…so far.
Anonymous1You would think that slower population growth would be a good thing. We are overpopulated on the planet right now. Fewer people would mean less pollution, the workforce is already having trouble with jobs due to technology. Less people should be a good thing. The fact that it isn’t speaks volumes to the ponzi scheme and who is getting rich off of it.
Exactly and this is why Socialism fails. The Welfare State operates under the “Ponzi Scheme” assumption that you will always have more people paying in than cashing out. You need an ever increasing population and workforce for that to work.
We get told over and over again that the World is overpopulated so we need to reduce the Birth Rate before Global Warming kills us all. Then we do reduce the Birth Rate and now the “Ponzi Scheme” we call our System is set to implode. Its a no win situation.
The Libtarded still think they can prop this House of Cards up by importing Migrant workers. They will find out soon enough that Migrants actually cost the Tax Payers. Its like punching holes in a sinking boat.
But rest assured, once Mexican women on mass start enjoying a 1st world standard of living complete with access to “healthcare” and female privileges, their birthrate will FAIL as well. That fact is upon us now and will be evident in the 2020 census, that even ‘minority’ women are not having enough children.
This is happening to the descendants of the Asians from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh that flooded into the UK during the 1970/80’s.
The boys are being sucked into the gangsta trash culture, and the girls are increasingly infected with feminism.
Result, smaller families.
I would like to tackle the Overpopulation Consensus being that there is to many people on this world. I can’t imagine that being true from the standpoint of children.
I understand that there is a large amount of people everywhere on the planet and there is no shortage of Adults. But Children seem to be lacking. And that is part of the biggest reasons for economic decline. We don’t have kids and MEN interacting with each other.
Previously, you had men that would go out of their way to be in Kids lives. And this also means yelling at them. Correcting them. And making fun of them. I know it seems small and trivial at first. But this kind of male interaction has so much positive benefit, it is John Doe Hard to contemplate.
I would like to pose the analysis the real problem is output and not Population. Everywhere in the world where physical labor would be a boon, there is no growth there since nothing is created or built that needs to be or HAS VALUE requiring that system, place, or object, (Theme parks, museums, kids area’s, farms, zoo’s, I.R. things that are fun) to continue to have the value to be invested by its occupants culture to be sustained.
In respects to places like China, you can see that there is an ever increasing amount of leisure activities that are fun for the youth of all ages; to the Symbolic structures that hold value for the older generations. What I am seeing is the continual breakdown of each around the world regardless of GDP or economic output or value. (nothing worth caring about or doing)
I understand that the virtual world is a great place to occupy your time. (Social media for women, and of course game culture and interests on line) But there is little in the way of building things that wow or excite the next generation that give that society or its people value to keep investing or at the very least, keeping them busy. (No value in Society)
We in the USA actually have it better than most as our Immigrants have a cultural shift to work. Or, you get a free street corner as a man. There is also a Peer pressure style push for them as well to be increase their skills and education of their interests to higher levels and compete within the USA “market” of Ideas, and planning etc. (Basically compete with the Joneses)
Now it’s been no secret that many of the shops and stores that were open and now remain dormant or out of business altogether were partly aimed at men and children, and Families in general. But overtime, this has went to the wayside as the lack of children and families helped bring these storefronts to a standstill and their overall result of bankruptcy or closure. Evidence of this Phenomenon and its patterns show up as stores like Sears, Macys, Shopping Malls, and places that garner the attention of youth, tradition & and overall vitality & growth of the people that enter these business provide for society at large. (no need for toys, clothes or imagination Therefore INVESTMENT)
For example, A man who has kids spends GOBS of MONEY on S~~~ he DOES NOT WANT. But, spends this hard earned cash to supply the need to give value to himself and his children. This is with Toys, clothes, gadgets, Hobbies etc. Almost all of these things are FAR from the normal expenditures of women these days.
Prominent clothing lines for children becoming even more expensive to produce due to less production and hence less consumption of these higher end goods, this is leading to a market down turn for cheap goods being produced that do not bring in the same economic benefit to the local populace.
In fact, that Disparity of who has what was a significant drive that promoted not only cultural cohesion, but was a prime driving factor to participate in family life. In fact, places that heavily spend their resources on children’s activities and Family friendly or in fact, items that cause kids to get in trouble (skateboards for instance) cause a significant rise in the overall health of economic outlook of a city, town , or population etc.
They key part here is that there is no local investment in what is going on in places like europe. California is nothing more than a consumer driven paradise that does not necessarily promote any kind of long term plan to ensure that anything is left to invest in.
It seems so simple to fix on the surface.
But as with all things, the world worked as long as there was still magic left in the world. Today, that magic is gone. Children’s laughter is silenced, and a father’s joy is muted.
WE gave our children not only the spark of life, but the earth to grow in. There is no longer any earth. Just Sand, and gravel.
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But rest assured, once Mexican women on mass start enjoying a 1st world standard of living complete with access to “healthcare” and female privileges, their birthrate will FAIL as well. That fact is upon us now and will be evident in the 2020 census, that even ‘minority’ women are not having enough children.
This is happening to the descendants of the Asians from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh that flooded into the UK during the 1970/80’s.
The boys are being sucked into the gangsta trash culture, and the girls are increasingly infected with feminism.
Result, smaller families.At least the Hispanics Perfect Hydraulics in their gangster culture. The Italians did great for Business. The Yakuza mostly did this with Honor and class. And just about everyone else brought positives with their chosen subcultures.
This new age Sagging pants that would make a Plumber feel at home is nothing but a cultural dead end. In the near future, they are going to mock every single thing about the so called “gang” culture.
Remember as kids we had BMX gangs! You had to have the right AirWalks Shoes, and the right Redline or GT bike in order to get cred? What is the Allure of a Bus Pass? Explain that to me?
In fact, just about everything that was cool was priced out to the stratosphere, and things that were fun to do were actively overpriced (laser tag ) in order to deal with the low quality of care given by the general public.
I had to ask why some things such as Laser Tag was so expensive? Well? When they lowered the cost, they got..Oh boy.. Kids slamming the guns to the ground. Breaking the equipment, and generally making it impossible to make a profit at the lower price point.
Much of this was attributed to not having any parental figure there. The other was of course, only a Welfare mom around.
And of course, the always present danger to keeping kids inside, and on a leash. That in my opinion did more to grow gang culture then any other force I can think off, regardless of social class.
It never made any sense to me that with all these great things that you could do (say for example a club house built in the woods) there was always some tool of a Mom or Grown-up Happy to tear it down. All with the “SAFETY” bulls~~~.
In fact, they have made toys so safe, there is no risk involved, hence, the fun factor is completely gone with most toys. (Thank the Lawyers)
The more we progress, the more I wish I had raised a family deep in the south, or off in rural areas. My god, what I would not give to be able to do that again. Build things like Club Houses, Launch rockets with my kids, and just have a great time.
Gangs. Thugs. All of the one’s I knew back from high school have all ended up either under Daddy Governments care or hands. What a great success story.
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The Greatest Generation may have done some great s~~~, but parenting wasn’t one of them.
Loved that quote Tax Guy. As a veteran of a foreign war myself, I never understood all the ass-licking of the WW2 Vet generation. They raised a bunch of god damn hippies. LOL
doesnt even matter what they pick, they will all be unhappy and blame men for whatever is “wrong” in their lives
Straight-Up truth… its a no win deal. She cant be pleased. But to be fair, I don’t think 50%+ of women would be on anti-depressants if we lived in a more traditional family type society. (I realize Traditonalism has many faults and still sucks for men). But its better than what we have now (even though we cant go back) and the point Im trying to make is that women are simply animals. They are the females of the species homo spaien therefor they do have natural biological roles that if you put them in an environment where those roles are utilized, they will be less problematic and more happy. Sort of like owning certain dog breeds that absolutely require running and social interaction. Women are jacked up these days because they have been completely removed form their biological function to the species. Yes, they will always complain but there is a better recipe out there, Im not signing up to be a guinea pig.
This is happening to the descendants of the Asians from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh that flooded into the UK during the 1970/80’s.
The boys are being sucked into the gangsta trash culture, and the girls are increasingly infected with feminism.
Result, smaller families.
Precisely, you can see this for yourself whether in United Kingdom or suburbia Texas. You can see that 2nd & 3rd gen immigrants have now completely “assimilated” into so-called Western “white” culture. And what does the data tell us? That their native cultures were no match at all for consumerism, Disney-feminism etc… 15 year old Indian girl is banging a tube-top and jamming beyonce,’ six months out from her first abortion while Mexican 20 year old boys is in county jail for nor paying childsupport. Welcome to America f~~~ers.
We always say, AWALT. These women may have been born into conservative or religious households, like Hindu or Catholic. In no time at all, she is mimicking the white women and immersed in feminism culture and Hilary Clinton aspirations…
Im waiting for the CENSUS to confirm that non-white women are having children later and later, and fewer and fewer… So much for flooding the borders in a vain attempt to keep GDP up, our decadent culture infects all who enter.
Prominent clothing lines for children becoming even more expensive to produce due to less production and hence less consumption of these higher end goods, this is leading to a market down turn for cheap goods being produced that do not bring in the same economic benefit to the local populace.
Good point. Whole books could be written on how commerce has gone full retard. But that’s interesting. about baby products.
What is the Allure of a Bus Pass? Explain that to me?
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I like the video where stardusk kills the myth, that the “family” is the building block of civilization. I believe the video is Escape Velocity if Im not mistaken. A true mgtow golden era video…
Correct. Europe is going to be in much worse shape than Japan. Places like Germany, where the Birth Rate is low and the Government is importing third world migrants by the millions. That is national suicide.
Japan is managing their birth rate situation very well by refusing to take in any immigrants. Its actually working out very well for the Japanese. Compare their system with China’s compulsory one child policy. Japan is reducing population without force of law and maintaining their Culture and Economy…so far.
Definitely. In a couple generations or whatever when the birth rate of Japan starts to trend back up Japan is right back to historic norms with the core of its culture largely in tact. What happens to a country like Germany though after they’ve imported millions of outsiders who refuse to assimilate and accept German culture? They are getting out bred by Muslims, and the sad part is the German tax dollars are subsidizing it. They are literally paying people to ruin their country. In a couple generations Germans will make up less of Germany than they do today and it will more resemble some middle east s~~~ hole. They aren’t fixing that without Hitler 2.0 or some kind of massive civil war at that point.
Anonymous1In a couple generations Germans will make up less of Germany than they do today and it will more resemble some middle east s~~~ hole. They aren’t fixing that without Hitler 2.0 or some kind of massive civil war at that point.
I can’t think of another historical example where a country willingly invited and paid invaders to take over their own country and breed out the natives. Absolutely bizarre. I can only attribute this to some sort of lingering post-WWII mass psychosis.
it’s tough for me to know who would tinker (and why) with the social contract that worked to keep the species alive, healthy and reproducing for the eons that humans have been around. Perhaps they looked at the peak oil theory and got concerned that if there were not some mechanism to gradually throttle back the population growth, competition over the diminishing resources of energy and food among the inflated numbers of people would be so intense that no one would be able to compete successfully enough to survive and the species could go extinct. Perhaps they just looked at all those women living as housewives and wondered how they could get them busy doing something that they could tax. Perhaps they had plans for a one world government, and realized they would have to weaken the men of first world countries (who would oppose progress toward that goal) in order to do so.
One theory I heard was that after nationalism and the fights between nation states unleashed 2 world wars and prompted the development of nuclear weapons, it became clear that the next one would likely be the last for our species. nationalism and the fights over it could result in extinction. It is consistent with other liberal simplistic thinking that if you just put the whole world under one government, that threat disappears. Like the assumption that gun control will somehow magically result in the the disappearance of violence, this one world government idea has detractors among critical thinkers, and those who function well without government’s knee jerk interventions in their lives.
I wondered about this point in particular: if population growth was the worry, and feminism was the mechanism unleashed to slow it down, why unleash it on the western countries first? Since 3rd world countries have historically had the highest birth rates, it seems that you’d get the most mileage out of this idea in those places where the birth rates were highest. But that’s not where the stiffest resistance to one world government would come from. Those places are not adequately empowered. In those places like the West after WWII, there was the power to resist the idea, and that power was held by men who would use it. After all, since it is the first world countries that have the most power among nations, wouldn’t it be these countries that would have the most to lose in a one world state?
Perhaps the path to one world government required pushing feminism in first world countries in order to weaken them to the point that they could not resist the march to that goal. It certainly is effective that way. The more men are disempowered in first world countries, and the more power is given to women in those same places, the easier that march will be. Women will not put themselves at risk for a worthy cause, or to resist a bad one, and will not work together well enough in teams to put up any great resistance. The shrinking population among first world countries, or its replacement by largely uneducated immigrants may just be a aide effect that will either make the process easier, or create no resistance to it.
“Western civilization does not need women to do everything that men can do. It needs women to do everything that men cannot do…”. (reproduce healthy productive children). Women cannot do this adequately while simultaneously trying to do what men do. And they cannot do it adequately alone, without men. But that inability may be a cost that the proponents of one world government are willing to accept…???
Until I hear that clearly obvious truth stated openly in a public forum by someone in a position to make a change, I will assume that either 1) feminism continues to be useful for the agenda of whoever is promoting it, or, 2) it is a genie that having been released from its bottle, cannot be re-contained regardless of the damage it is doing.
If we do see a one world government in my lifetime, it will be interesting to see what is done with feminism after it is in place. If feminism survives, I’ll assume it was because of option 2. If it does not, I’ll assume it was option 1 and just used to disempower the resistance and recruit the useful idiots to carry the agenda forward…
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