The Body Snatchers

[ArcParticipant 350]

Been thinking of how when a woman is in a relationship with a man she subtly tries to subvert his beliefs, behavior, and thoughts. The reason I have been thinking about this lately is because a lot of people I know are talking about getting married. Two cases really stuck out to me:

1)
My friend told me he is going to propose to his girlfriend this week. I didn’t tell him how stupid an idea that was, it isn’t my place to tell him how to live his life. However our topic wound up switching to just relationships in general. What wound up striking me as odd is that he believed it was imperative to NEVER say “I love you” AFTER sex. His reasoning was that the woman will think that you are only saying that because you got what you wanted out of her. Even if that really was the case, isn’t it just a thank you at that point? I really hate to say it, but who really twists something like that into something so hostile? Are women really so insecure that they can’t just trust that when the person they just had sex with, or made love to or whatever, says “I love you” they might mean it? Are they just projecting their manipulative nature on men at that point? What kills me is that my friend has to feel like he’s walking on egg shells with his behavior just to appease a woman’s ego instead of putting his foot down and saying, “hey, don’t put words in my mouth; when I say something you can take it to the bank and if you can’t handle that, that’s your problem and not mine.” I have a bad feeling he’s going to be walked all over.

2)
The married guys in my work were talking about marriage counseling. One in particular said that one of the most important lessons he’s learned is not to express any of his negative feelings. How f~~~ed up is that? It can’t be healthy to feel like you can’t express ANY negativity to your wife. So apparently marriage counselors’ brilliant advice is to never call your wife out on her bulls~~~. It makes me wonder if one day he is just going to snap.

The main question I have is WHY and HOW does a man even get to this point were he is just a shell serving some woman that may or may not (may not being most likely) appreciate and/or respect him let alone reciprocate that kind of dedication? It is disturbing and a little pathetic.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

[joetechParticipant]

In an effort to remain positive, I’m positive that your friends in marriage counseling should divorce before the ten year mark, or they will positively regret it. As for your other friend who’s ready to propose…love is blind. Keep your eyes wide open before marriage and half closed afterward.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[MACHOParticipant]

Arc wrote:

Been thinking of how when a woman is in a relationship with a man she subtly tries to subvert his beliefs, behavior, and thoughts

Arc wrote:

What kills me is that my friend has to feel like he’s walking on egg shells with his behavior just to appease a woman’s ego

Arc wrote:

It can’t be healthy to feel like you can’t express ANY negativity to your wife. So apparently marriage counselors’ brilliant advice is to never call your wife out on her bulls~~~

See what’s been quoted, ⬆ it amounts to signing your freedom away! Basically.. Wife happy = Husband relatively Safe!

Wife unhappy = Watch Out anything bad could happen to the Husband! AWALT!

Arc wrote:

The main question I have is WHY and HOW does a man even get to this point were he is just a shell serving some woman

Why? ⬆ Put it this way.. Each person that commits suicide has their own motives! Same applies to the poor dude that gets married in 2017 Good Luck Husbands!

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[bstoffParticipant 4865]

Macho has it. It’s the old “happy wife- happy life” bulls~~~ mantra used to keep men in fear of their overlord.

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

With women, what is said is never what is meant. F~~~ed up minds. They lie more often than they say the truth.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[pharmerParticipant 407]

I tried number 2 for many years. No way to live, in fact it almost killed me. No. just… fuk no. no. run. get out.

Never fuck a crazy chick.

[Anonymous 6]

My answer to the OP’s question has several parts and it’s based upon my own experience.

1. Lots of men out there, especially the young ones, think that marriage is what people are “supposed” to do. They saw their parents married, uncles and aunts, grandparents, etc. etc.

2. Marriage is part of the natural progression of life in many a young man’s mind and young women’s minds too. Much like number one above, many young guys think that after one graduates from high school and becomes gainfully employed, then it’s time to get married. It’s similar to learning to walk after one learns to crawl. It’s just part of the natural progression (that’s what they think and believe, I don’t).

3. Young women put pressure on young men to get married. This point is a mixture of a caveat to number two and a stand alone point. As mentioned above many younger people figure you get married after college, it’s just what you do. But the women put another demention to it. No matter how “independent” a woman may say that she is, she’ll expect a man to provide for her. To put it another way women expect men to provide all of the benefits traditionally afforded to women in marriage. So, once the real world of post college life comes-a-knocking, they look for someone to pay for their crap. Things like houses, cars, student loans, etc. So that’s when the pressure comes in. It reaches a fever pitch for the women starting around age 29 and then beyond. Their body is telling them to reproduce while they still can.

3. Many men are afraid of being lonely.

4. Many men need a “mother figure” in their lives to help them cope and to “do life better.” Essentially there are a lot of guys out there who really can’t live on there own very well. They don’t know how to take care of themselves very well for whatever reason. Either they never grew up or they’re lazy. Either way they long for a “woman’s touch.” Ultimately these guys really lose big time.

5. Many men believe in the fairy tale they see on TV and hear on the radio. Everyone has seen the stupid Disney pussy worship propaganda films and heard the so called “love songs” on the radio. These things can cast a spell on someone. Combine this with the adrenaline rush that women can provide and an a potentially lethal result happens for a man.

6. “happy Wife, Happy Life.” This little motto, although encompassing some of what’s previously been covered, really needs to be teased out here. Many men are doers. Think about all of the great inventions of the world and all of the major building projects. These were created and seen to completion by men. Now think about the concept of “family.” A household is created, a future is shore up. A future that includes positions, children, a house, retirement funds, etc. These things give men concreate and fixed goals to work for. Getting that next promotion satisfies the man’s ambition at work and at home. Now he’ll be able to put more toward retirement while also being able to send his kids to a better college, or afford a better wedding for his daughter. His wife will have that much more emotional security which she will use to encourage and support her man. It become a self feeding loop. Also keeping a wife happy provides the external validation that is a very real human need in so many people. Never underestimate the power of a beautiful woman who showers the object of her affection with sex, love, and her melodic banter. Wars have been started over less.

7. Marriage is seen as a type of supplemental retirement package by some. A happy wife, with an income or skills, can help when a man is no longer able to work quite as hard. MGTOW men know that this is a loser’s bet, much like marriage in general. But this idea makes some sense at a basic level. It just doesn’t map to reality in any demonstrable way.

8. Many men are just thinking with their dicks. This is rather self evident. Practically every man had probably slept with a woman he’s found disgusting, ugly, fat, repugnant, etc. Why? They had to get the poison out. So they find some hot piece of tail and viola, the hormones take over. They’ve just got to be with this person all of the time.

Okay so all of the above has been just one man’s take. I’m no expert, so please take this for what it’s worth.

[Anonymous 18]

Arc wrote:

The main question I have is WHY and HOW does a man even get to this point were he is just a shell serving some woman that may or may not (may not being most likely) appreciate and/or respect him let alone reciprocate that kind of dedication?

What @Travis3000 said.

To add my bit:

– Men are lied to about why women ‘love’ men. It is a narrative that is carefully crafted by the legion of tribal female collaborative work. It exploits man’s natural ability to connect and love on an emotional level. Women are incapable of a deep connection with a man. So they fake it.

There are (mgtow being an exception) no outlets where married men can be critical of their wives/women by sharing their negative experiences to the dumb blue piller.

Men invest in their ego-validation by substituting goals/results/success with female approval.

And at times the truth of what she is comes out too late. Then it is easier to deny than accept the truth. Partly because he’s invested too much on the false narrative to now destroy everything and rebuild. And partly because deep down he had always known the truth about his utility and its easier to serve and die than to stand up and be shamed. And f~~~ed by family kangaroo courts.

[Anonymous 42]

Arc wrote:

he believed it was imperative to NEVER say “I love you” AFTER sex. His reasoning was that the woman will think

He’s modeling his thought patterns around what a woman will and will-not do say or think. His mind is in the estrogen gutter, he’s hopeless only because women are hopeless and he’s modeling his life around that garbage dump and it’s gonna stink!

Arc wrote:

my friend has to feel like he’s walking on egg shells with his behavior just to appease a woman’s ego

EXACTLY what he’s doing! After marriage the egg shells turn to broken shards of glass!

Arc wrote:

The married guys in my work were talking about marriage counseling.

You never see the captain of a ship seeking “counseling” over his first mate’s mutiny, he doesn’t negotiate with mutineers, he feeds them to the sharks! It’s the only way a marriage will work otherwise the captain is always in negotiations while the keel beam cracks over the rocky shoals and the first mate bails with the only life boat she used as a grandstand during negotiations.

Arc wrote:

WHY and HOW does a man even get to this point

One chip at a time as the woman (thinks she’s a master jeweler) keeps smashing him with the hammer of justice that’s customized to only fit in the hands of a woman.

That’s the law chipping him away disguised as a woman!

They’re one in the same the law and women, tyrannical, corrupt, and unrelenting.

Just throw them away and everything is SOLVED to within satisfaction.

Let them love and marry themselves, I want no part of a creature so narcissistic.

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Arc wrote:

The main question I have is WHY and HOW does a man even get to this point were he is just a shell serving some woman that may or may not (may not being most likely) appreciate and/or respect him let alone reciprocate that kind of dedication?

MGTOW was NEVER an Option until Lately.

Most men were, and still are , raised with the Societal Lies that a “Real Man” Provides for his Women/Wife.

Providing Material GOODS as well as “Happiness” is expected from the Man to fulfill his societal role as the Provider.

Hence, the tradcon theory of , “Happy Wife, Happy Life” is EXPECTED at all cost.

Even if the cost is your self-worth.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Two Time WinnerParticipant 1090]

Ignore

I ain't got a wife to spend my money, I have to do that all by myself.

[Two Time WinnerParticipant 1090]

Can’t work the quote function correctly this morning. But Ilearn wrote:

– Men are lied to about why women ‘love’ men. It is a narrative that is carefully crafted by the legion of tribal female collaborative work. It exploits man’s natural ability to connect and love on an emotional level. Women are incapable of a deep connection with a man. So they fake it.

That is a pearl of wisdom that I wish I had known thirty years ago. Kept hoping she would change, it only got worse.

I ain't got a wife to spend my money, I have to do that all by myself.

[Two Time WinnerParticipant 1090]

Anonymous wrote:

Arc wrote:

The main question I have is WHY and HOW does a man even get to this point were he is just a shell serving some woman that may or may not (may not being most likely) appreciate and/or respect him let alone reciprocate that kind of dedication?

What @travis3000 said.

To add my bit:

– Men are lied to about why women ‘love’ men. It is a narrative that is carefully crafted by the legion of tribal female collaborative work. It exploits man’s natural ability to connect and love on an emotional level. Women are incapable of a deep connection with a man. So they fake it.

There are (mgtow being an exception) no outlets where married men can be critical of their wives/women by sharing their negative experiences to the dumb blue piller.

Men invest in their ego-validation by substituting goals/results/success with female approval.

And at times the truth of what she is comes out too late. Then it is easier to deny than accept the truth. Partly because he’s invested too much on the false narrative to now destroy everything and rebuild. And partly because deep down he had always known the truth about his utility and its easier to serve and die than to stand up and be shamed. And f~~~ed by family kangaroo courts.

I ain't got a wife to spend my money, I have to do that all by myself.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Awakened wrote:

Hence, the tradcon theory of , “Happy Wife, Happy Life” is EXPECTED at all cost.
Even if the cost is your self-worth.

That’s because the term “Happy Wife, Happy Life” is misunderstood. Women take that to mean that if they aren’t happy, they have the right to make everyone around them miserable until they all make her happy. Men take that to mean that the wife’s happiness is his job.

What it really means is that you need to find a woman to marry that is a happy person in general, on her own. If you don’t find a happy person to marry, you won’t have a happy life.

See how easy that is? Now, finding a happy woman to marry………….

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