The bluepill/redpill metamorphosis

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

So we had a drunken debate with the bros a month ago.They’re all hardcore mangina blue-pill men:

Friend number 1 status: Believes your worth is determined by how much women like you.Constantly is trying to impress girls ,is extremely impressed with people who get with girls.Other than that he notices the most of the bulls~~~ women do, he’s the least blue-pill of them all.

Friend number 2 status:Always catering to girls, believes that they’re somehow better than him and that he doesn’t deserve to be with any of them.He is contempt with just being their lackey and he pretty much is following his sister’s and mother’s orders.He thinks all girls are special.

Friend number 3 status:He thinks girls are sacred…

I could go on but i’ll just give you these 3 guys for reference.

The debate was at my place and it was 5 in the morning and we where all drunk as f~~~.I accidentally dropped some red pill bombs.Most of them looked at me like i was crazy, so i decided to stop trying to give red pills to my friends.

Now here’s the fun part.Once i stopped trying to make them red pill and actually started helping them get with girls they’ve started going red pill by themselves:

Friend number 1 status:He’s purple pill.He no longer thinks men who get with girls are better than other men.He started doing s~~~ for himself.He’s still trying to impress girls but just the NAWALT girls( he still believes in them) he calls all the non-NAWALT girls trash.(not sure if i like that but i think it’s just redpill rage).

Friend number 2 status:He stopped catering girls.He thinks most of them want to use you for money.He still believes you have more value if girls like you and believes in NAWALTS. I’ve seen him flip off his mother and sister at least a dozen times last month.

Friend number 3 status:He no longer thinks girls are sacred.He’s still a hardcore mangina but interestingly he doesn’t want to marry anymore.

So my speculation is that red-pill guys come to be naturally and funnily some of them get more red pill once you make them meet more girls.Keep in mind this happened to almost all my friends (about 30 dudes). The best part is that i’m just sitting here drinking beer and doing nothing and this s~~~ is happening before my very eyes. The future is not so bleak as we thought.

What do you think about this?Is MGTOW a natural phenomena or is this just a small instance?

[herodeath7Participant 35]

I remember this theory by this Eastern European guy saying that “given enough time, all conversations will eventually become about the weather”, or something like that. So, I think that the “conversations” part can be replaced with “Men’s Attitude” and the “weather” part can be replaced with “Red-Pill” and the theory will still stand.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Friend 1 could describe me in my blue pill days, which is a measure of how badly I wanted to get laid. I got burnt, burnt again, and burnt so many times I lost count. Finally, I wised up. All three of your friends could wise up too, if they are willing.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[treelville..miamiParticipant 893]

Its good to help your friends see the light. But be careful, these guys will throw you under the bus for a woman. I don’t even try to save blue pillers anymore, it’s a fools errand they have to walk the path like Morpheus told Neo.

"The wounds of honor are self inflicted"

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

I have this theory that the best way to make a man red pill is to just push him towards women.I know it sounds absolutely absurd and dangerous.Not sure if i should try it, but if it happens i’ll let you know about the results.

On the side note they’ll still my friends even if they stay blue-pill for life.

[treelville..miamiParticipant 893]

Franky wrote:

I have this theory that the best way to make a man red pill is to just push him towards women.I know it sounds absolutely absurd and dangerous.

Not absurd, plausible actually, high risk considering the damage she could inflict. But its definitely one way to go about taking the red pill.

"The wounds of honor are self inflicted"

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

Just goes to show, that at first most, if not all humans, rejects a notion that challenges their current world view, however if they afterwards start spotting the things, they rejected, they begin to manifest and the thought process continues to unravel, which is why I also like the movie Inception, to implant an idea, like a seed, and let it bloom, in their own mind and view.

Also a pinch of stubbornness, do you think a man who has been in a cell for all his life, just to get told the door was open all along, would thank you? No he would rage, before long after calming down, and even then it might be hard for that stubborn guy to admits his mistakes.

But here’s the funny part, a woman wouldn’t admit to the mistake, simply conjure an excuse, and if we never come to terms with our own ignorance, we can never move forward, guess that’s a pointer to why men have been the greatest philosophers in history.

 

This is also why, a new idea is always so hard to get support fore, if it challenges the current status quo.

[WolfParticipant 890]

Franky wrote:

What do you think about this?Is MGTOW a natural phenomena or is this just a small instance?

I believe it’s a natural evolution. I’ve have evolved over the years to believe a lot of what MGTOW stands for. Coming here just helps me to learn other’s experiences and articulate how I’ve felt for a long time.

For as long as I can remember, I have noticed that:

– women look for a man that offers more status/money than she currently has. Reading about hypergamy and Biffault’s Law helps me to better understand that

– women around the age of 30 start to go in panic mode. Reading about “hitting the wall” helps me to better understand that

– women are very self centered. Reading about narcissism helps me to better understand that

Terms like “real man” have always bothered me; I now understand it better having researched the art of manipulation.

For me, MGTOW is helping men to better understand how they felt for a long time, but likely couldn’t articulate it very well.

[RoyDalParticipant]

@burgundy,
I agree completely. All my life I have seen this at work. People will not change their minds, no matter how forceful the argument, until they hit bottom and absolutely have to.

Burgundy wrote:

I also like the movie Inception

Thanks for the tip! I’ll look for it.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[experiencedParticipant]

What RD said is truth. Barring a traumatic event, most people won’t change- My hope:  MGTOW being to women at large – said traumatic event,

as opposed to men individually being crushed by women singularly or en masse.

In any case, as not applies to me, being – ‘gone.’

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5106]

I think the “Drunk at midnight” type guy talks are a perfect time to test the waters.  If nothing else, if someone has a bad reaction to it, you can pass it off as “I had too much to drink”.  If they are seeking the light after that, they will begin to ask you.  Men will subconsciously know you are right, the time it will take them to realize that will be somewhat proportional to how much they have been brainwashed.

Sovereignty above all else.

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