Testosterone: why men are more honest and pro social than women

[Anonymous 25]

We all know that men are more honest and have greater integrity than women, but neuroscience is start to find the proof here:

http://www.medicaldaily.com/testosterone-new-truth-serum-male-sex-hormone-found-promote-honesty-men-243038

[007 (Reborn)Participant 1672]

There may be some validity to this. I used copious amounts of steroids for 2 years. So my testosterone was abnormally high. Not only did it increase muscle mass and aggression, it increased my confidence. I was so confident in myself, I didn’t feel a need to lie.

Even If I f~~~ed up something and had the opportunity to tell a “little white lie” to cover it up, I didn’t because I had the b~~~~ to tell the truth.

I can’t tell you for sure if it was the juice or my conscience that helped this pro-social behavior, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was both.

Lying is for the weak.

A genuine man accepts the consequences of his actions, no matter how scary they may be.

Testosterone fuels man’s authenticity.

Pursuing Happiness and Freedom.

[narwhalParticipant]

That study seems hardly scientific and proof of anything. As the article even states, it showed correlation (with a seemingly small sample size) in a test case that doesn’t really represent a real ‘tell the truth or lie’ situation.

As well, you have to consider the other factors. The situation was to win a small amount of cash. You cannot throw out the fact that participants come from different backgrounds where lying had different levels of acceptance. You have to consider the levels of testosterone already present in their bodies. You don’t consider the intelligence of the participants and whether they suspect they were monitored or that statistics could be used to determine they were lying. For many, they may be willing to lie for a larger amount of money, but the small amount wasn’t worth the risk. What are their economic backgrounds?

We all know that men are more honest and have greater integrity than women,

I don’t know that. I don’t think of women as generally dishonest or lacking integrity, I see them as manipulative. My ex-wife was honest and had integrity, she certainly had her flaws but those were. In divorce proceedings she thought she deserved half. That isn’t dishonest or lacking integrity, that’s failure to be objective on a personal issue. She believed many of the things most women believed, but never tried to convince me she believed otherwise.

Women will also be fake and hide who they really are, but I don’t consider that integrity. They are usually pretty honest about who they believe they are. Integrity is pretending to be someone that you know you are not. It’s different when you believe the like yourself.

Ok. Then do it.

[TiredofbsParticipant 485]

Narwhal, manipulation is deceit. It’s getting what you want without being direct about it. it’s dishonest, bitch like and womanly.

Amen to that Survivor. Manipulation = Deceit. Deceit = Lying. It’s the polar opposite of telling the truth and being honest. And many, not all, but many women are experts at this. I do believe women are more accomplished liars than men. They go about it in different ways but they know exactly what they’re doing. It’s wired into most, if not all of them. However, there are some honest women on this earth who know how to suppress that flaw.

[narwhalParticipant]

I see manipulation as deceit if it’s done intentionally/consciously. If a woman marries a man knowing that she’s going to divorce him, that’s deceit, dishonest, etc. If she said death do us part knowing she didn’t mean that. I don’t think most women do that. I believe they intend to hold true, but change their mind when it gets a little to hard, or not the dream they were promised as a little girl.

The test was for an outright lie. Women tell half truths, don’t keep promises, don’t consider things objectively, etc. There is a difference to me. When it comes to an outright lie, I think (unscientifically) that men and women outright lie at the same rate.

As far as what’s up with me…MGTOW is partially about not following the crowd. It’s about following what’s true, not just what you want to believe. That goes for everything, whether it be about the positives of marriage and women or the negatives of marriage and women. A part of me would love to believe my testosterone makes naturally more trustworthy. Is it true? I don’t know. This study certainly isn’t enough evidence IMO.

Ok. Then do it.

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

Living by principals, also seems more of a testosterone only thing. Since it requires one to act objectively and honestly to one’s own actions, as well of those around one, in accordance to your principals.

[Anonymous 42]

007 (Reborn) wrote:

Even If I f~~~ed up something and had the opportunity to tell a “little white lie” to cover it up, I didn’t because I had the b~~~~ to tell the truth.

@007, that was a good core shot at describing the essence of man, you rock dude! I live to uproot personal deceit and corruption, it adds to the euphoria of being an honest man, a true friend will stab you in the chest, never in the back! It’s the main difference between man and mangina!

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Lying, planning, scheming, conspiring are all tools of the weak, those who can’t back up what they say. It’s the tool of women, women who are two faced and will call one of their friends a bitch, but as soon as she’s around act like they love her. Men have to back up what they say, women can just gossip, talk about rumors and hear say. Women are much better liars than men too.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[HitmanParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

a true friend will stab you in the chest, never in the back!

words of wisdom .
men tend to be forthright even with difficult issues.
women go around your back,talk to their friends and TEXT you they are leaving .
BIG difference.
not sure if testosterone plays a part in it or not,probably does though.
hmmm…how do i squeeze this in here ..? ..aw f~~~ it.
DUMB F~~~ING C~~~S .

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Reading this study and adding my own academic experience about the effects of testosterone, I’d say there has to be various factors involved to make ttt1 juice a ‘truth’ serum. Firstly, of course, it gives you the confidence boost…things like “I have it in the bag. I don’t need anything else. I HAVE IT!” <- These feelings reduce your need to ‘lie’ and ‘cover’ or ‘get away with it’.

Lying is ony necessary if you want to ‘slip away with minimum blames’. Confidence is ‘making a grand exit, taking every hit on your face and on your b~~~~, it doesn’t matter’. So there’s that, if you get the contrast.

However, I am unsure that it will have a ‘man-only’ effect since women have been known to get enormous amounts of testosterone at one point of their lives (near-end of adolescence) which gradually decreases of course, but do these women speak the truth too? We need more experiments with both sexes in order to confirm its a ‘man-only’ thing.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

I’m calling bulls~~~ on the research, but particularly the online journal that Machiavelli linked to. The writing in the report was clearly pro-female, and anti-male. I quote:

“Testosterone, the male sex hormone previously linked to aggression”

Testosterone has not been shown to be even correlated with aggression in humans. No studies can be provided. (The opposite is true in the animal kingdom though.)

“Testosterone has always been said to promote aggressive and risky behavior and posturing,”

Again, “said” is just wives-tales. There is NO research correlating (which is far from causation) testosterone with aggression.

Increased aggression IS correlated with increased aromatase receptors in the brain. Aromatase receptors get triggered by the secondary breakdown chemicals from both testosterone AND estrogen. Thus men AND women show equal amounts of increased aggression when given either hormone. It’s not to do with the hormone, it’s to do with how many receptors there are in the brain.

The study itself uses a sample size of 91 (men and women). 46 given testosterone, 45 not. No account is made of baseline factors such as residual testosterone, weight, etc.etc. The sample size is just way way to small to make any reliable conclusions.

But the largest glaring error in the research is that the test “game” was only conducted AFTER testosterone was given and allowed to take effect. No baseline BEFORE game was conducted, meaning that the results achieved on day 2 had no relevance, because there’s nothing to compare them to, except assumed statistics.

Add to that the unreal scenario that participants were not face-to-face, but isolated, in booths, behind screens, inputting data anonymously. We all know that if you’re anonymous on a computer, you stop pretending. It’s called the internet. No attempt was made to study variations of behaviour in a group setting.

“For testosterone does not only influence behavior; behavior, in turn, also influences hormone levels,” Wibral (lead author) explained.

But his study didn’t test for that! And he doesn’t include any references to lend that statement any credulity.

Bulls~~~ research, mangina reporting.

[AttonParticipant]

I feel sad for the researchers since this study will just collect dust. Like most research it really seems to be done for fun, rather than to understand something in a way where you can change it.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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