Testosterone and (no) aggression

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

I came across this in my lunch break.

Testosterone enhances fairness, generosity and happiness, and does not cause aggression.

Aromatase causes aggression, and the more aromatase receptors a person has, the more aggressive they become when any hormone is increased. This explains almost equal incidents of DV between the genders, and also why some women go bats~~~ mental when on the estrogen pill. The excess estrogen is converted into aromatase and triggers their anger buttons, literally.

I’ll find links to the rest once i’m home.

[RoyDalParticipant]

This is very interesting!

Quietlyquietly wrote:

I’ll find links to the rest once i’m home.

Great!

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[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

When you are a low on testosterone you become depressed. Thus, testosterone makes you aggressive… in comparison to being in a depressed state. This could be why it is linked to aggression.

Another could be that testosterone increases muscles, thus increasing the amount of damage that can be done without increasing the amount of effort.

So many little things that make it hard to actually determine if testosterone makes you aggressive… or just normal.

For all we know, it could be estrogen that makes you aggressive, because as testosterone increases… so does estrogen 😛
Naw, jk. estrogen makes men into pussies 😛

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[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

The opposite of depression is happiness not aggression. Testosterone is mainly responsible for secondary sexual characteristics like penis’s, beards and sexual desire. Not aggression.

Both females and males are similarly aggressive. It is more likely that the “fight or flight” hormones are responsible for the “fight” impulse. This is the same in men and women and explains the nearly equal response of aggression by both men and women (ignored by feminists).

The fight or flight hormones are mainly adrenaline and cortisol, although it’s not that simple.

IMO.

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[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22538]

Aggression, or lack there of, from hormones (in general) depends on how receptors in the brain react to various hormones (in general). That is different from person to person, and there is bell curve on the matter.

While the proportions are way different, both the bodies of both men and women bodies testosterone and estrogen. For women, they get their testosterone from their adrenal glands. While men get estrogen from fat cells.

Actually, this might partly explain why fat women are crazy, their fat is adding to their estrogen levels to the point it is making them unstable.

[HitmanParticipant]

I’m so glad that someone else noticed that fat women seem crazy. .

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22538]

Hitman wrote:

I’m so glad that someone else noticed that fat women seem crazy. .

You’re welcome. And by the same token, more athletic women can be more aggressive than most women. Though, that aggression is not inherently a bad thing, if they know how to channel it. But, so few women do know how to properly do so. Likely because channeling aggression requires a measure of self-discipline.

This is also likely while governments and corporations put sugar in everything, to fatten up the people in the hopes of making the more docile, and work without question. Instead, more fat is making people of both genders more prone to mental difficulties.

Another problem is working without question requires a bit of aggression and self-control, something those same groups have destroyed.

So, in the long run, their tactics are self-defeating.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

There is no correlation between testosterone and aggression.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22538]

Zuberi Tau wrote:

There is no correlation between testosterone and aggression.

How do you explain roid-rage?

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Interesting. But yeh, too much or little of any hormone can screw a person up. Yet, they are still needed. I study Pharmacology right now and CNS illnesses. Thank you for sharing.

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[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Faust For Science wrote:

How do you explain roid-rage?

Do yourself a huge favor and go check out the side effects of “Synthetic Testosterone”.

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

нσтησσв wrote:

When you are a low on testosterone you become depressed. Thus, testosterone makes you aggressive… in comparison to being in a depressed state. This could be why it is linked to aggression.

Another could be that testosterone increases muscles, thus increasing the amount of damage that can be done without increasing the amount of effort.

So many little things that make it hard to actually determine if testosterone makes you aggressive… or just normal.

For all we know, it could be estrogen that makes you aggressive, because as testosterone increases… so does estrogen
Naw, jk. estrogen makes men into pussies

Puffin Stuff wrote:

The opposite of depression is happiness not aggression. Testosterone is mainly responsible for secondary sexual characteristics like penis’s, beards and sexual desire. Not aggression.

Both females and males are similarly aggressive. It is more likely that the “fight or flight” hormones are responsible for the “fight” impulse. This is the same in men and women and explains the nearly equal response of aggression by both men and women (ignored by feminists).

The fight or flight hormones are mainly adrenaline and cortisol, although it’s not that simple.

IMO.

Faust For Science wrote:

Aggression, or lack there of, depends on how receptors in the brain react to various hormones (in general). That is different from person to person, and there is bell curve on the matter.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091001163724.htm shows that Aromatase, and aromatase receptors are the critical path for aggression, and that the conversion of Testosterone into Estrogen by Aromatase is what increases aggressive behaviours in both male and female mice.

This link shows that it is the estrogenic compounds made in the brain that control aggressive behaviours, that estrogen, both naturally made, and artificially administered, increase aggressive defensive actions in both mice with normal testosterone production, and castrated, non-testosterone mice. [“Castrated CFW mice treated with estradiol were more likely to fight than [non-castrated] males treated with DHT or oil, whereas castrated CF-1 mice treated with the non-aromatizable androgen R1881 or estradiol showed an increased probability of fighting compared to [non-castrated] mice treated with oil.”] Which is unwittingly admitting that mice with normal Testosterone production are LESS likely to become aggressive when treated with estradiol or androgen R1881! The authors seemed to have overlooked that subtle point. Testosterone regulates fairness!

and:
There has been a high level of interest devoted to assessing the relationship between Testosterone levels and aggression in humans, but consistent correlational findings have been elusive. there again showing that Testosterone does NOT cause aggression in humans, and is even only weakly correlated to it.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22538]

Quietlyquietly wrote:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091001163724.htm shows that Aromatase, and aromatase receptors are the critical path for aggression, and that the conversion of Testosterone into Estrogen by Aromatase is what increases aggressive behaviours in both male and female mice.

That is interesting.

I am not fully agree with you, but I can see what you are saying. And I can understand the logic behind it. In that when there is excess testosterone in the human body it is converted to estrogen, and the estrogen could be the cause of the aggression. With testosterone not being a direct line, but a secondary link.

Though, it should be noted that receptors in the brains of various people react differently to various hormones (in general).

Also, I wish to know from the report you are using for information, how do they clinically define “aggression” and “aggression based behavior”?

I ask this to make sure we are not using to different meanings of the same terms.

And while most people here have extremely negative views towards gender fluid people. Such people do use artificial hormones and that allows us an incite into how hormones can effect the behavior of different people. For lack of better terms, when mtf use estrogen and testosterone blockers, while ftm uses testosterone, the members of both groups claim that such opposite treatments “levels them out” from where they emotionally felt unbalanced before said treatments.

These opposite treatment, with the same claimed effects, offers that brain receptors from person to person, even between members of the same gender, react differently to the same hormones.

Quietlyquietly, did the study you are using take into account of such people?

Finally, I am not asking you these questions in trying to trip you up. Quite the contrary, I am asking this because the study you are using offers incite, I am just seeing if said study possible answers to these questions.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Faust For Science wrote:

Zuberi Tau wrote:

There is no correlation between testosterone and aggression.

How do you explain roid-rage?

Roid rage is none existant. There are people on steroids that get angry, just like there are people not on steroids that get mad. Everyone sees a fit man and chalk it up to “roid rage” just like when they see a skinny man getting angry as “He’s probably just mad because he’s a skinny loser lololol” It’s some catch 22 type s~~~. Also, anyone who’s been around women who can go from 0 to p~~~ed the f~~~ off don’t have as much testosterone as men, so what’s up with that?

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

Faust For Science wrote:

Also, I wish to know from the report you are using for information, how do they clinically define “aggression” and “aggression based behavior”?

I ask this to make sure we are not using to different meanings of the same terms.

And while most people here have extremely negative views towards gender fluid people. Such people do use artificial hormones and that allows us an incite into how hormones can effect the behavior of different people. For lack of better terms, when mtf use estrogen and testosterone blockers, while ftm uses testosterone, the members of both groups claim that such opposite treatments “levels them out” from where they emotionally felt unbalanced before said treatments.

These opposite treatment, with the same claimed effects, offers that brain receptors from person to person, even between members of the same gender, react differently to the same hormones.

Quietlyquietly, did the study you are using take into account of such people?

Finally, I am not asking you these questions in trying to trip you up. Quite the contrary, I am asking this because the study you are using offers incite, I am just seeing if said study possible answers to these questions.

The aggression was tested as a reactive response to another (unknown) male mouse being introduced to the first mouse’s territory. Defensive behaviour was studied, although I can’t tell you myself what defensive mouse behaviour looks like. I think the report describes it as “tail-rattling” followed by physical attack.

The only study I know of that gave people excess testosterone is the one I linked to, and obviously has its limitations. I guess there must be minimal funding to study how testosterone is not the cause of DV! I live with the hope that more studies will be done.

I don’t know enough about brain science, and hormone effect to comment clearly for you, only my real life observations, which are similar to yours – different people react differently to hormones.

[Anonymous 29]

Quietlyquietly wrote:

I came across this in my lunch break.

Testosterone enhances fairness, generosity and happiness, and does not cause aggression.

Aromatase causes aggression, and the more aromatase receptors a person has, the more aggressive they become when any hormone is increased. This explains almost equal incidents of DV between the genders, and also why some women go bats~~~ mental when on the estrogen pill. The excess estrogen is converted into aromatase and triggers their anger buttons, literally.

I’ll find links to the rest once i’m home.

That is all very well and fine. But being a creative and thinking animal that we are, common sense and intelligence easily overcomes
our base instincts fueled by self generated chemical.
Anyone who delves into their own psyche and wants to blame chemically enhanced feelings of their own making should reflect
hard on what they do or think. If not . . . . . . they can deal with it . . . . . its their own f~~~ing fault.

[Anonymous 5]

Only stupid people get angry. It is why females are so aggressive and bitch all the time….it’s because they are stupid and have the brain of children. Men who get angry are also stupid.

Aggression has nothing to do with chemicals in the body. It is purely related to how smart or dumb you are.

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