So I’ve seen surrogacy mentioned in several MGTOW videos by prominent video posters like TFL, Raging Golden Eagle, Sandman, McGregor Shrugged (I can’t find his now, not sure if that is correct name). Some even go so far as to point out that artificial incubators and synthetic eggs could remove the woman from the equation altogether. This seems like an expensive way to go, but not compared to risking all your past, present, and future income on a one-way marriage contract. Before you ask, I did a search on surrogacy and also one on adoption on the forums and found that especially surrogacy had been mentioned in different threads, but didn’t really see much contrasting it with adoption.
Several videos suggest that the time and money you save being single can be invested in career and property to allow you to be well off later in life so as to easily afford these things. This seems to be a reasonable approach. I feel like this is a worthwhile topic when reaching out to younger men that are seeing the light and finding MGTOW before they get a bitch pregnant and are screwed by the courts. Many may feel conflicted because they would like to someday have children of their own.
The argument is that the only reason to get married is if you want children, since sex with a wife can replaced by porn or hookers without signing your life away to a woman who can take everything at whim with no consequences. Once you realize that women see you as a tool that can be easily replaced, you realize that mutual love and respect is not possible. If you need your ego stroked by someone that pretends to love you, a hooker can do that better for cheaper. Once you don’t care what society wants you to do, then the expectation that you marry no longer applies.
Thus, the only value left in a relationship, let alone marriage, with a woman is to have children. Many men who do not have kids still would like to one day be fathers. Whether that is exclusively because of social conditioning or their biological/evolutionary needs, or simply to pass on their knowledge and nurture a legacy is up for debate.
Regardless, a plan to one day use a surrogate helps to stave off the temptation of commitment to some woman who can exploit you endlessly. However, putting all of your sperm into this one basket may not turn out much better.
Be warned, if a woman uses your sperm and her egg, she can not only keep the baby as biological mother, but force you into child support. The fact that she agreed to surrogate in exchange for money, and started taking the money (talk about a contract), doesn’t mean she can’t change her mind at whim. I’m sure this story was pointed out by some MGTOW already, but here you go:
http://jezebel.com/5791134/couple-told-to-pay-child-support-after-surrogate-decides-to-keep-baby
So, the advice is to not use the surrogate’s eggs so that she is not the biological mother in any way, and therefore would have no legal right to keep the baby at all. Be aware that f~~~ing judges will make up their own laws and are beginning to set a precedent of saying “screw biological parents, this surrogate is upset and has a sympathetic story.” The bitches feelings make the law null and void:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-423125/Surrogate-mother-says-Sorry-Im-keeping-babies.html
I was actually looking for another story I had seen where a surrogate was not the biological mother, had no claim, had taken like 100,000 dollars (or was it 350,000?), and kept the baby when I found this last one. Apparently now you can get a surrogate legally for like 10,000 pounds in Britain. Notice in this story, that not only did this surrogate have no claim (not her egg) on the twin babies at all, but was granted custody AND there are 10 previous cases mentioned where surrogates used their eggs and kept the baby!
So the only safe way is to not have a woman involved in the transaction at all. Please consider this before you get you get attached to the idea of eventually, when you want a kid, using surrogate to do it. Now I don’t know how long it will be before synthetic eggs and incubators replace women, or how much it will cost. However, there is a big option if you are not attached to having your genes passed down: adoption.
First, from a MGTOW perspective, we all can see how evolution has f~~~ed things up already through favoring hypergamy. Also, from a MGTOW perspective, we all can see how our minds need to reign in our biological instincts as men for our own well being and even survival. Do not marry, do not get a bitch pregnant, don’t let a state common law marry you, and don’t let a bitch hypnotize you with her T&A or her damsel in distress bulls~~~.
In light of the fact that evolution and society have put men in the f~~~ed up predicament we see today, I would suggest taking a look at adoption if it brings you solace to know you could still raise a child without a woman or marriage. This isn’t to say that adoption doesn’t carry risks of a bitch f~~~ing it up if she is involved.
For example, today there are agreements where a woman gives up a child and the adopting parents agree she should be part of its life. Of course sometimes the bitch changes her mind and wants it back even after legally signing away her rights. Also, there are cases of a bitch giving the kid up to an adoption agency, then tracking it down later after she gets off the drugs and straightens her life out (or not) and demanding it back. Realize that women that give their kids up to an adoption agency or abandon them at hospitals usually got knocked up by some alpha asshole who (A) she left to trade-up but failed because kids are dick repellent or (B) left her because he was an alpha asshole bad boy. In either case, the bitch turns to drugs, cares more about them than the baby, and gives the baby up. Having this crazy bitch come back to claim her kid is a horrible situation for all parties involved, including the child.
So, the only way to avoid involvement of a crazy bitch to f~~~ up everyone’s lives is to adopt a child where the woman signed away her rights and gave it up, and is not involved in its life because she remains anonymous. However, she could always track it down eventually after she changes her mind and wants it back, even if the agency had a policy not to tell her where the baby was. To truly avoid all this horses~~~, you would have to adopt a kid where the mother truly was anonymous, as in the adoption agency or hospital doesn’t even know who she is to tell her where the baby is or which one is hers. This can happen when a bitch drops off her baby at hospital with no questions asked, or in the dumpster outside and it gets found. Further, you could also look for one that is actually an orphan, as in, the mother is dead and can’t come back to f~~~ up everyone’s lives.
This sounds hard to find, and we know that an adoption agency will not want to give a kid to a single man, although some would prefer to give the kid to two gay men or two lesbians. However, most couples that want to adopt are either gay or incapable of conceiving. Therefore, they want an infant to pretend is their very own little baby, especially the woman that can’t conceive, and the mangina that stays with her anyway will support her in this. Therefore, adoption agencies can demand a premium on infants and set high standards for income and stability in people who want to adopt.
Kids that are a year or two old though, or kids at 3 or 4 or even older, are becoming an expensive burden that they can’t give away. To the adoption agency, these toddlers and little kids look more like half-price meat or milk at the grocery store, basically put on clearance because they have to hurry and sell it before it is too late while it takes up valuable cooling space. You know some chick that can’t conceive is not going to adopt a f~~~ing 5 year old; she wants a little baby to call her own.
So, if the only downside to avoiding marriage for you is that you one day want a family or at least to raise kids of your own, then adoption might have safer options available than dealing with a surrogate mother whom the law will give the kid to even without a biological link. If you can get past the evolutionary need to pass on your genes, and you don’t mind skipping all the dirty diapers (gross, 1000x gross!), then adoption might be a good option.
Now, it may be necessary to find a helpful friend to gay marry for adoption purposes. Maybe find another MGTOW that also sees having kids as the only thing marriage has to offer, just be agreed to get divorced the next day, and if he wants to raise a kid too, get two. Just divorce before anyone gets attached to the other’s kid. If anyone complains about the divorce, just threaten to sue for discrimination.
Any thoughts on the practicality of adoption vs surrogacy?
Before you say NAWALT, condemn those women publicly; it's like a signal flare to the good men you can't find. But. first...stop being THAT girl.
hellraider 3 years, 7 months ago.
