Sure, I suppose I'll give an intro

[ncookBlocked -70]

I wouldn’t really consider myself an “MGHOW”, I would just consider myself a single man who is aware of all the complications and minefields when it comes to dating in today’s current climate.

 

I can understand why this forum exists because there is a lot of frustration out there about dating, but I think it’s because of a fault that lies with American society and culture, not towards women. I think blaming it on women is kind of blaming it on the Lowest Common Denominator. It feels good to do it while you’re frustrated, but it doesn’t solve any actual, long-term problems.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ncook Welcome to MGTOW! And thanks for joining.

Since you are keep on solving long term problems, you are under no obligation to embrace mtgow or adopt such a lifestyle choice. Nobody here will try to “sell” you anything. because the man who wants to see it arrives organically. On his own. This journey takes a while. And you have to want to find it.

I think blaming it on women is kind of blaming it on the Lowest Common Denominator.

NCOOK? I would like you to meet the Lowest Common Denominator.
Lowest Common Denominator? This is Ncook. He is here for a solution to long term problems: Say Hi!

/video/the-quintessential-bitch-wife/

/audio/3-million-dollar-bitch/

/audio/andrea/

/audio/gold-digger/

We talk about what women do and we will never apologize for it. Don’t confuse “blame” with personal responsibility. Men must be aware that women will go out of her f~~~ing way to misrepresent herself long before the wedding. We don’t need to “blame women” when they will come out and proudly admit this themselves.

I really like your solution though. Not to blame women.
Let’s go out there and get more of them to accept personal responsibility. Great idea.

Ready? GO!

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 0]

@ncook

I am not sure that you understand why this forum exists, maybe you mean also the whole website, because you bring out the “lots of frustrations about dating” which you believe that this is the main thing here.

We are talking about our lives and our experiences of the past years to avoid further failures or not to do some mistakes before a man is ruined. That is not frustration.
We are not here to blame women, that would lift them up to an important thing or a central character. Lift them up is the lesson of the blue pillars and the pink poodles outthere. It is none of a MHOWs business.

We are not doing vice versa the tortures that have feminism gave to men in the last 40+ years.

We are going to take our chances by our own way with new ideas and new creations. We do not apologize !!!

Comparing women with the Lowest Common Denominator is pushing them into the victims role, and that is the mainstream trash which I absolutely overfed. By the way, it is not really women friendly to do this.

I don’t know what you wanna tell us ? Your writing doesn’t sound like the speech of a MGHOW, thats what you are mentined that you are not considering yourself as a MGHOW, but it also not even sounds like the speech of a MAN.

CHEERS!

[Eric LauderParticipant 84]

What the hell “frustrations about dating”???

Personally I’m separated, and since my separation I’ve f~~~ed femaleS (plural) – it’s not a great deal to f~~~ females, it would be better to totally avoid them, but sometimes I admit I’m weak 🙂

If someone have “dating frustrations” I suggest him to marry a female. Then we’ll see who is the “frustrated” one 🙂

[Sigma LondonParticipant 37]

Hello NCook. By not holding women accountable for their behaviour you are out and out admitting you have traditionalist tendencies. I’m not attacking you. I’m telling you this as I had this issue for years. You would best serve yourself to see women as individuals with agency, and try and stop yourself from defending their honour. You are not quite but almost white knighting here. Which is why everyone above me has attacked you.

A lot of MGTOW like me are not frustrated at all. I in fact love the situation I have found myself in. I no longer have a slave mind and I am free. I have said before on these forums that I don’t think it is healthy to be mad at women for their nature but we can still treat them like adults and expect they be held accountable just like we are.

I really hope your encounter here will not scare you away from the red pill. MGTOW men are fierce.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@ SigmaLondon:
I am not white knighting. Women don’t need their honor to be defended. Nor do men. In fact, I’m not even sure if I even believe in the concept of “honor” as having even any real legitimacy to discuss.

I am single, too, and I don’t mind being single in any way, shape or form. I agree with you that we can hold women to be accountable.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

In fact, I’m not even sure if I even believe in the concept of “honor” as having even any real legitimacy to discuss.

That’s obvious. And a give away in your attitude and phrasing.

“Sure, I SUPPOSE I’ll give an intro”.

… as if anyone asked and you were somehow obligated. Like you are doing everyone a “favor”. Other MGTOW forums require it. It’s not a f~~~ing option. And if they don’t like it and get so much as whiff of shaming or fem-infested bulls~~~, they don’t approve you. Since you don’t even think honor is a value, then this is no place for you.

What you are doing is showing no honor and disrespecting your fellow man. And us. We didn’t work for months and years conceptualizing this website – and all the work that went into it – by shrugging our shoulders and saying “Sure… I SUPPOSE I’ll make a website”. No. It came at an enormous effort and expense and is only intended for men who WANT to be here and who are delighted about it.

MGTOW are rigorous about honor, integrity and core values that are otherwise LOST.

Notice your changed your “I’m really not a MGTOW anyway” to “just tired of dogmatic ways of thinking”

Take a break for a little while and come back when you’re not so “tired”, and have sorted yourself out.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

@ncook

Honestly mate, I dont think you’re ready or right to be here. Not yet.
Dont get me wrong, I’m not telling you to go away or leave but I just dont think you’ve had your red pill moment.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[ncookBlocked -70]

@fitzbones:

What is a red pill? The moment you don’t want to date anymore? Seriously, it just doesn’t make sense to me.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@keymaster:
I think honor is a forced value. There’s no reason anyone should “honor” anybody else unless they’re family or they’re being forced into deference by a paycheck.

Considering no one here is either family or forcing me into deference with a paycheck, I don’t see any reason to honor anything.

And only good families deserve honor, ones that reciprocate between members, etc.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

What is a red pill? That is the LAST question I ever expected anyone to ask here.

Have you seen “The Matrix” (Film | Warner | 1999 Keanu Reeves / Laurence Fishburn )

You have much homework to do:

/video/the-red-pill-date/

And you haven’t done any. Not any. We even have a red-pill interactive introductory “quiz” to get you started:

/quiz/

You encouraged to go out there and educate yourself in the most basic way before setting one foot in this forum. The red pill is a fundamental concept and very commonly used analogy / reference to describe the reality which is presented to you vs. the way things actually ARE. Your blatant refusal to even look at the material provided for you is a belligerent ignorance of everything MGTOW stands for.

This is why we have “your favorite red pill” field to fill out when you join. Every MGTOW has one. A book. An experience (or hundreds). A video which pinged his consciousness. An IDEA. A need to find out what’s REALLY going on. The direct reference to Alice in Wonderland is because the film makers used Alice in Wonderland as a model for the story – to show the skewed alternate reality that Alice finds herself in.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ncookBlocked -70]

@keymaster

Ahhh, the Matrix.

 

If you’re taking philosophy lessons from the Matrix, I suggest you look elsewhere. There are many more valuable philosophies elsewhere, both more interesting and relevant.

 

I think it’s possible to have the “purple” pill, in fact, as an MGHOW, I’d feel like that’d be the ideal, wouldn’t it? There’s no need to live a life of asceticism. You can live both in knowledge and pleasantly; the two ideals are not contradictory.

A person just has to realize that society often puts them in situations that are not ideal, like Marx said, but that does not mean that free will is non-existent, just that it is limited and constrained.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

No I suggest YOU look elsewhere. Goodbye.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[JimboParticipant 162]

@ncook

Look man, I still date too but I don’t consider MGTOW as merely “men frustrated with dating”.  There is a real problem here.  The family courts are messed up.  Men are being forced to dole out massive amounts of alimony and child support.  Feminism encourages women to engage in very destructive and negative behavior.  Traditional society won’t rein in the out of control women but seek to punish the men once that out of control woman makes a false claim of DV or Rape against a man.  All men are told after that is that they “didn’t find the right one” or “just need to improve our attitude”.

This does not include the inequities such as selective service, the disproportion level of funding that goes to women issues exclusively, and the advantage of the benefit of the doubt when ever a woman makes a workplace complaint vs when a man does it.
That little bit of my perspective on the issue is not a mere “frustration”.  Men’s lives are being ruined for merely sleeping with the wrong woman or for marrying the wrong woman.  I see the degeneration of modern society and notice a real danger in getting involved with women.  I think men need to understand that there are dangers they face in dating and marriage.  Real dangers such as having to pay a degenerate slut alimony for the rest of your life.  I am talking about having to defend yourself in court from false rape allegations because the woman pressing the charges decided the next morning that she did not really want to have sex.  I am tired of seeing churches encouraging young men marrying the “born again” single mothers who have kids with many different “babies’ daddies” and then telling the man that it just wasn’t God’s will after that man is getting raked over the coals in family court which is considering making him pay child support for the children that were never his.

I am tired of the lie that “women are sacrificing their careers for their husbands”.  Hell, I tried to talk my now ex-wife into getting a job while we were dating and married.  How on earth was that making me “forcing her to sacrifice her career”?

I am tired of the lie that men who do not want to get married in this world are “Peter Pans”.  We don’t have such sayings for married women who don’t take on any responsibilities in the family and that want  to party every Saturday night with her girlfriends at the bar.  I know we used to call them “trashy” a few decades ago but now we call it “liberated”.

The lists of grievances is long and serious.

I don’t discourage ANY man hear from meeting, dating, and liking good women.  I do however, want all men to understand that there are very real consequences and that the days of self sacrifice and chivalry need to end.  That men themselves need to recognize and defend their interests.  I encourage good men to withdraw from relationships when they become toxic to the man.  Which you can do if you are simply dating but if you are married and/or have children the situation becomes gravely different.  I understand that society as a whole has got a long way to go in reforming its attitude about how men are treated.

 

Have I said anything unreasonable?

Have I said anything far-fetched?

Have I said anything that you still think fits more of the “frustration” frame than the legitimate issue frame?

 

Please do tell me ncook, I am more than willing to have this conversation with you.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hey Jimbo. Thanks for your effort. He’s been reduced to spectator status . Also removed his f~~~ing massive avatar image he didn’t have the courtesy to crop or down size. He’s been spoon-fed since he got here. We would delete his s~~~, but replies from others represent their invested effort and time, and I can’t do that.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

 

Fuck this planet.

[JimboParticipant 162]

@keymaster,

I understand that he does not truly have a grasp on why Men choose to go their own way in these times.

It is telling how bad things have got when  someone has their ideas dismissed before they even have been discussed.  It was apparent that he joined the site and opened his mouth before he truly understood what he was talking about.

I hope that he will look at what has been said and actually review what is going on in society and understand what the reality of the situation is.  The Red Pill is a hard one to swallow, indeed.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I understand that he does not truly have a grasp on why Men choose to go their own way in these times.

That’s OK. He was only one mouse click away from our about page , the glossary page, or the manosphere page. In 5 minutes he would have a pretty good grasp of it. In fact, they work so well, the wrong people will read it and run screaming for the hills.

He didn’t wanna see it.

The only reality which exists for the narcissist is their own, and even when they are repeatedly shown to be wrong or misinformed about something, they will maintain their original stance, despite all contradictory evidence, no matter how compelling.

And the madness is real.

The narcissist will twist and distort reality to infinity in order to place themselves at the earth’s center. No amount of objectivity shall be allowed to intefere with this. This is their prime objective, and they will talk any amount of nonsense to achieve it. They don’t care. There is only them, and their prison is a familiar, comfortable zone. It has walls padded with velvety self-deception.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[DybbukParticipant 182]

If you’re taking philosophy lessons from the Matrix, I suggest you look elsewhere.

It’s not “philosophy”. It’s a metaphor. Big difference.

And it’s a great metaphor. But unfortunately, it’s one that’s been abused by overuse in some quarters. It’s almost become an all-purpose catchphrase meaning “believing what I happen to believe“, if said belief isn’t totally mainstream.

 

[Eric LauderParticipant 84]

Dear ncook 🙂
I just discovered that maybe I’m not totally against feminism 🙂
You seems quite concerned about “misogyny” – misogyny is the hatred or dislike of females.
I don’t hate females, I don’t hate at all, none. Hatred is for the losers.
I dislike females. Personal tastes, what’s the matter?
The funny thing is that the resulting behavior of my dislike is surprisingly friendly towards “feminist policies” – let’s analyze the major crimes against females and my behavior regarding it:
Catcall: I never did catcall in all my life – before to be MGTOW I thought catcall was vulgar and useless, now I think catcall is humiliating for a MAN.
Eye-rape: before to be MGTOW I was a great eye-rapist, on the average 3 or 4 victims at day. Now I usually avoid females, and I don’t eye-rape them anymore. See? Feminists should be happy I’m going on my own way! 🙂
Compliments about dress/hair/eyes: again, I was a great perpetrator in the past, now I’m not anymore 🙂
Compliments about ass/t~~~/legs: never did it, I considered it quite vulgar, now I consider it also quite humiliating for me.
Unwanted touch (touching ass, and so on): never did it, very vulgar – now I consider it also very humiliating for me.
Drunk sex: I quite liked it in the past. Now I totally avoid it: if a female drink something – even a single beer – she’s not able to give consent, pure and simple, and I totally avoid her because she’s dangerous – for me it’s like to try drive a car when I’m drunk – see? I’m good now!
Unwanted Penetration (formerly know as “rape” – now the definition includes even the previous behaviors): never did it, my behavior isn’t changed.
See? From a feminist perspective I’m the perfect man! I do not commit crimes at all against females! When I’m around females are very safe, they can relax and enjoy their absolute freedom! 🙂
Feminists and manginas should be VERY happy of my behavior! 🙂

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