Stay away from marriage…

[learningParticipant 115]

I must admit, that I’m quite drunk right now. Many things have happened in the past year … job loss, a mgtow awakening for me, no money even though I made seven figures in pounds in a year at one point in my life …. and right now I’m sitting in the toilet cubicle in one of the temp office lounges drinking beer, feeling like a worthless piece of s~~~.

I have written a couple of threads before about warning people of marriage. I hope that some of you listen.

I’m not saying that if you get married then this will happen to you. Maybe it won’t. But I know one thing for sure, without any doubt, that I have spent the last fifteen years of my life living someone else’s dream. It’s because marriage is only a woman’s dream… it is not a man’s dream. Show me an eight year old boy who dreams of marriage .. I have a ten year old son and he only dreams of being a captain of a spaceship one day.

If wyou get married, the only thing that will happen to you is that you will be stripped clean, of everything… not just the money, but of your dreams and aspirations. The woman who will make that happen probably won’t even mean to do it.. but her dreams are incompatible with yours. Although I am disgusted with the general behaviour of women nowadays, I really dont think that most of them plan it, they are just selfish by nature, and actually the things that make them happy will never make you happy. Show me a man who is happy about spending 20 thousand pounds on a wedding, show me a man who is happy about owning a huge house he hardly ever spends any time in (cos he is so busy working), show me a man who is happy about hardly any sex at home and getting used to masturbating at home. This is married life, and it doesn’t get any better.

I don’t know what lies on theother side, maybe it’s better and maybe it’s not. I don’t know cos I’ve never been there. Some of you have and I really hope that it is a bit better, cos this sucks, it sucks big time.

If you have been on the other side, then I hope that you provide inspiration to the young men of this world, cos all I can provide is a warning… dont come here, its not worth it, dont get married. You will end up a slave. No matter how well you do in life financially or otherwise, you will end up a slave. All your money will be spent on worthless bulls~~~ and before you realise it, it will be too late.

And I’ll tell you why it will be too late. It will be too late cos you will almost certainly have kids – kids that you love beyond believe – kids, who provide you with the only source of happiness in life. That’s how kids are – they are f~~~ing awesome. They aren’t expensive, women make them expensive. A local school and lots of love is enough for any child, but a woman is never satisfied, she wants more. She wants a private school and burberry diaper bags and a 500 pound buggy and on and on it goes. It never ends. And it never will.

I hope that at least some of you will realise this and live your life differently. Good luck.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

That describes every middle class marriage I’ve ever heard of.

Your a prisoner. The cell is your cubical, your home is not even your cell, it belongs to her.

And the lock is your love for your children.

That’s why I say use a surrogate if a man wants kids.

Thanks for adding your voice to the call to younger guys not to marry.

Marriage is a wet dream.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

I don’t have any kids, but agree with what you wrote about the. I saw a study done once that asked 100s of couples who’d been married for decades if it was worth it. The majority of both men and women in those couples said they felt like they’d put more into the marriage than they’d gotten out of it. I thought it strange that women would say that given that they don’t seem to do much more than just show up with hand out these days, but those women were of an earlier generation (having been married 40-50 years).

When asked the same question about being parents, almost everyone said that they felt like they got back more from having kids than they’d put in. Not financially of course since kids don’t bring any assets. But almost everyone who had kids said that the perceived emotional benefits that they got from their children more than made up for what they perceived to be the emotional net liability of the marriage.

It sounds like you are part of the majority of the respondents in that study. To me, it certainly seems to lend validation to adoptions or surrogacy for men who want to have kids. Get the net emotional benefit of having kids without the net emotional liability of having to suffer through the marriage…

I hope other members would respond to that question of marriage vs kids. I’d be interested in everyone else opinions…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

When I was an undergrad, I worked during the summers in an oil refinery.  As my last time there was drawing to a close, the chief engineer talked with all of the students that were hired in that office.  I told him that I planned on going to grad school eventually, to which his response was to ask if I was married.  When I said no, he said that if I was by the time I returned to university, I had better make sure that my wife had, as he put it, “a bucket of birth control pills”.

 

Considering how much time and effort it took me to finish my Ph. D., I can understand why he said that.  If I had been married as a grad student, I don’t think I could have gone as far as I did.

 

[…Spectator 1165]

gametrader: there is nothing wrong with being drunk in order to create the space to speak the truth. that is the reason i drink and get high. sometimes reality is too much for me, but what i really liked about your post was you used the word “listen.” since it is part of my handle, that got my attention quickly. i am listening to man. i also feel your pain.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

@ QWV

Your point about your phd is critically important to young men today. Being in a relationship with a short sighted self centered ameriskank will ruin your professional future. You are investing in your future and women want stuff now, right the f~~~ now. Even if you have to take loans. One woman actually tried to make me claim bankrupcy so she could max out my cards then leave me holding the bag.

You’ve been lied to about women being a mans helper in a relationship. Women today know this myth from their womens study classes and have been trained to extend no assistance to their mates. Even worse, marriage, during those years 22-26 where most men of quality are separating themselves from the pack by going on to true higher education through professional school, law school, phd, med school or finishing an apprentiships in electrical or whatever floats your boat will be dashed without any hesitation because women are no longer interested in a long term relationship so only want what they can get out of you now. For a few months or years they may fool you into thinking they’re helpmates. Don’t be stupid, don’t buy it.

These years from 22-26 are those years that you should spend on yourself. This will benefit you your whole life long no matter what you do. Be stupid and marry, be stupider and have kids, get accused of s~~~…it is all a lot easier to handle if you have invested in yourself during those critical four years.

I married in second year of med school and I could have achieved so much more with my life if I had followed the advice my nieces boyfriends mom gave him on entering medical school. Instead I spent time on being the emotional tampon to a wreck with chronic depression that I was to young to identify before marriage. And, of course, she lied to me about.

My nieces boyfriend, the med students mom, told him “Break up with your girlfriend, put your nose to the grindstone and make something of yourself. Don’t give a s~~~ about women at your age”.

Now that’s a good mother.

And he listened and is successful. My niece still pines for him. She is attractive, just finished law school, can have her pick of guys but still pines for the one who dumped her.

As far as my situation, it was my mother or fathers job to say that to me back then I and I will never forgive them for not putting their flesh and blood first.

That’s how strong and empowered feminism has left our young women.

And how free young men are to make something of themselves for themselves not for what they can bring to the table to get some rapidly depreciating resentful and never satisfied incubator who’s issue immediately belongs to her.

There are so many major advantages men have today they didn’t have back then that it is crucial to go your own way to take advantages of these. Don’t get bogged down by committing to some skank, your love. Now days you don’t have to wait for marriage to f~~~, they are litterally lining up to give it away for free.

Just double bag it and remember you don’t owe her any personal information. That is your property. You don’t owe her anything.

I soon learned her book was a radical plea for today’s wives to re-channel their energies into making a successful marriage by being supportive of their husbands – husbands who may be unsure of themselves, overworked, or underpaid or just need a woman’s intuitive God-inspired cheerleading when a great opportunity presents itself.

I was so impressed with how this book could potentially change the husband-wife relationship for the better that I contacted Megan again to see if she would be interested in an interview. At the time, Megan was busy doing her publicity tour, but she agreed wholeheartedly to an e-mail interview.

Today it’s a radical idea to help your husband and this is from a conservative marriage minded website: http://www.cbn.com/family/marriage/bagby_basham_standbyyourman.aspx

So what is in it for men to get married except to destroy their careers.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[learningParticipant 115]

@brainpilot, you are right. having kids is a positive experience.. it doesn’t need to cost money, it really doesn’t. But the society we live in nowadays makes us feel guilty if we don’t spend unlimited resources on our kids – sometimes shaming us to think that we don’t love them enough. It’s bulls~~~. There is only one thing a father needs to do with his kids – and that is spend time with them – that is ALL that is required.

With marriage, the list of requirements is endless – and I’m not even sure where the benefit is. You could be the best ‘husband’ in the world and your wife will still not be satisfied – that’s just how it is.

@ListenUp! you are right, sometimes getting high helps to be able to say ‘f~~~ it’and look at life from your own perspective and funnily things start to look clear… tbh that’s how I actually found mgtow – its the only things that keeps me sane nowadays.

And mgtow will serve as the basis for the remainder of my life.

[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

learning wrote:

kids, who provide you with the only source of happiness in life.

To right mate!  If it weren’t for my kids I would probably be hooked up with some crazy bitch.  After my divorce, I focused (and still do) on my kids and my career.

My kids keep me grounded, sober and sane.

I wish you all the best gametrader.  If you are in a marriage now, it can be tough.  Divorce sucks, as it is hard on everybody.  If a marriage is really that bad – sometimes it is necessary.     After my divorce I felt like a great weight was lifted off my shoulders and I could live again – for me.   I felt I was finally acquitted and released from prison.

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

[J.D SilvernailParticipant 383]

I can almost say that my Dad is in the same boat as you, but for some unknown reason he likes it. Im his only son and the only member of his household that has a good attitude so I guess im the man who makes it worthwhile because im awesome like that. Good luck getting a divorce after your kids grow up.

I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.

[Mana KnightParticipant 333]

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; background-color: #fbfbfb;”>They aren’t expensive, women make them expensive. A local school and lots of love is enough for any child, but a woman is never satisfied, she wants more. She wants a private school and burberry diaper bags and a 500 pound buggy and on and on it goes. It never ends. And it never will.</span>

I liked this.
So true.

No I am not married nor have kids, but this I know to be true just from reading, watching, listening to people. They (women) spend so much money frivolously. They do not have the same appreciation for money like men do at all and spend it without thinking.

Restaurants are my biggest bug bear. Women LOVE them. They love being seen in them, wearing ” a nice dress” in them, paying over the odds for something you can do at home. Once in a while as a treat, perhaps, but on a regular basis? That add’s up! Had a g/f who liked to go to one everytime I saw her. Had it kept on, I mentally calculated we(I) would have paying around 1000+ pounds a year for it.

I go food shopping twice a week. I spend between 10-20 pounds a time depending on what I am getting, normally the lower end of this.
This food last me 3 days.
It would only pay for one meal in a restaurant….

Women don’t care.

 

[iamblichusParticipant 34]

So much wisdom in this thread. I am married with two young kids, and I can vouch for just about everything said here: the fact that my wife doesn’t mean to be a bitch / it just sort of happened, making kids as expensive as possible,  marriage ends up being paying a woman not to sleep with her let alone touch her, etc. That’s all true. You who are having doubts, pay attention! This can and probably will happen. I stay because of my kids, but I really don’t know how this is going to end. It’s also true that kids are wonderful but I don’t know if I would recommend surrogacy. Doing this alone seems kind of scary. The whole situation is just messed up. I think it’s only a matter of time before I get divorced, hopefully with sort of good terms, but that isn’t at all guaranteed. It’s like playing Russian roulette with only one or two empty chambers.

[VictorParticipant 124]

Saying that “women don’t mean it” as some of you do here is really just recycled Blue Pillism.  If women do it, then they mean it.

Perhaps the solution for those who want children is to enter into what we informally call here in Britain a “common law marriage” – i.e. a long-term partnership that is not formalised through marriage.

[experiencedParticipant]

Iamblichus is correct:  Like Russian roulette.   She asks, [clickclickclick] “Why doesn’t it go off? My finger is tired..” boom

Keep the weapon out of her hand, if too late, take the weapon out off her hand.

 

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[GrumpyParticipant]

Victor wrote:

“common law marriage”

In Canada, after a predetermined amount of time, dependent on which province you reside, common law MARRIAGE bestows the exact same rights and privileges to women as state/church sanctioned marriage. Time frame ranges from 30 days to 1 year of co-habitation. Co-habitation in a sexual relationship (equivalent to married) extends the same benefits, again after a set period of time.

Unless you live “separate and apart” in all aspects, a man is financially and legally responsible for the “wife and children of the marriage” regardless of what definition of marriage is used.

As an added bonus, we have a nice little phrase called  in “Loco Parentis” (In Place of the Parent), in which a man is held liable for her children from a previous relationship based solely on whether or not the mother and/or child(ren) identify the man as a “parent” (father figure) in the relationship.  This in effect, eliminates all predetermined time frames set to establish what “type” of relationship you are in. If she and her child(ren) walk into your home under the intent or impression of establishing a “family type” of union.

The man is 100% liable financially and legally for providing for the “family unit” regardless of the type and duration of the relationship, (read -Trial period, to see if it works), and is subject to divorce type actions and judgements. However, she has no similar obligation to the mans children.

I personally experienced/found this out the hard way, so the chances of a women living with me is –not a chance in hell–

 

 

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