Starting to think feminists are correct about oppression and the Patriarchy

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I’ve been thinking about the Patriarchy, oppression, liberation, emancipation and empowerment lately, and while at first it appeared to me that all these feminists claims sounded absolutely absurd; but now after some deeper research on this subject – some of the things they talk about slowly start to make sense.

Since the beginning of times, all women wanted was to
– f~~~ with whoever they want any time they want
– control their reproduction selecting when to have a kid and from whom, and when not to
– have no responsibilities before anyone (including law)
– don’t do any housework or any work whatsoever
– not having to worry about raising their children
– extend their reproductive looks well past childbearing age
– being pandered to and having men compete for their attention
– expose themselves to get attention
– not have society shame, judge or evaluate you in any negative way
– change men at a whim
– extort resources from a man even after breakup/divorce
– have convenient means to seduce men and get attention using majik (cellphones with internet)
– being able to communicate with the Hive 24/7
– be celebrated and worshipped for who they are
– take kids with them after the breakup
– to have opportunity to make same money men do for doing nothing
– to have personal security 24/7 on call (men in blue)
(I can go forever, this is a long list)

Unfortunately, all these very reasonable desires so dear to any woman, were suppressed over the millennia by the evil Patriarchy. But thanks to Feminism – most of these bullet point have already been granted. But some still remain, so that’s why they still need Feminism.
How dared men to oppress these noble causes? how dared they?
Woman’s nature was really suppressed for too long. And evil men were keeping women from reaching their potentials are guilty for this terrible crime.

The thing about gender equality is just a necessary PC excuse women they had to employ in order to reach their full potential.

I get it now. Poor women had it too hard for too long. How dare men keeping them in enslaved and in check? These vessels of holy life deserve so much better

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

I still haven’t heard what my privileges are as a man. I always get “everything” or “what isn’t?” but nothing specific.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[AscendedParticipant 698]

I did nothing ever to oppress females. Well, I did some stupid stuff when I was a kid but I don’t harm them only for what gender they are.

So I hold no responsibilities about what women did experience in the past but I do keep in mind, that they came out from times, where they were oppressed.
I do not wish for any of that to continue.

I support gender equality but society makes it impossible.

I keep looking around and I see women do certain jobs, that are sort of seen an a males job. Yes, I do see them working as programmers, construction workers, IT area, military/security officers and such. They are doing their jobs and that’s it. I for one adore this.

I do NOT adore those, who exploit something, that is based on gender in order to take advantages, that no man can do (see webcam whoring and streaming).

With that being said, I feel I attracted some kind of hatred here for being 100% honest and open… with you, Russky.

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Never forget that even if they had EVERYTHING …. and you had nothing ..

That wouldn’t be enough. Who would run it all for them?

They don’t know what they want and even if they got it … they wouldn’t know what it’s for.

The only thing they want ..

IS TO BITCH AND MOAN.

[Anonymous 25]

Let women come up with interpretations of things that make themselves angry and hateful.

I like to come up with funny interpretations of stuff that makes me laugh. To me such women believe in a boogey monster called the Patriarchy. He was last seen like this:

He is wanted for questioning in relation to not giving a f~~~ on International NFG Day, because he hurt several women’s feelings.

The Patriarchy is the evil cousin to the Tooth Fairy who has already been apprehended:

Too funny. Feminist nonsense can be a great source of amusement. Just laugh at them and frame it as something funny.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

I do agree that women of the past had a hard time; some of the things were really very gruesome. I do not hold the founder of the feminist movements accountable to this day because …as angry she might have been at that time, she was fighting for just causes: liberty of women.

The pendulum was too much on the men’s side when it should have been in the middle. Like I said before, women’s liberation was just upto the point the pendulum reached the middle. But then it started to swing the other way.

What I blame is the way these ‘fighters for women’ went to avail their justice. If they were really far-sighted and reasonable, the would have chosen a much non-radical and equaly effective way to combat their issues.

I was like ‘Why didn’t they choose the good way?” Over here I found answers like : “Its their nature; women are like that; nobody coud have changed the course of history”.

It doesn’t matter what happened in the past; the past is that past… its just like terrorist groups that harm ordinary innocent people for the crimes of ‘their country’. Men of the past have made mistakes; but that doesn’t me we have to pay for those. Just simply instructing us that ‘don’t make the same mistakes your forefathers did’ is very very different from binding us in chains, putting a knife to our necks and saying “you repeat the same mistakes your fathers did, you’ll get your penis cut off”. This is wrong.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[AttonParticipant]

Varun wrote:

I do agree that women of the past had a hard time; some of the things were really very gruesome.

Oh god that one got me in stitches lol haha.

I still haven’t heard what my privileges are as a man. I always get “everything” or “what isn’t?” but nothing specific.

I asked the patriarchy for a Tesla Model S P90D, they never got back to me I even had 180k on my patriarchy rewards card.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[rorickParticipant 682]

To sum it up “All woman wanted was to be a slut, yet wanted the society to treat them like a virgin princess and give them all the benefits that comes with it” Bad that patriarchy oppressed them from achieving it. Now thanks to feminism they have achieved it and their true nature is revealed. However unfortunate for them that in the event men have also waken up and they started going their own way.. Now women again started complaining about oppression and patriarchy cause no men are ready to put up with their bulls~~~s.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Yes men were put in charge because if we left it up to females they would move across the face of the earth like locusts consuming all resources.

Men came along to say “No” and civilization flourished.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[HitmanParticipant]

I’m sure russky was being sarcastic ..
Great list brother!

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

FUUUCK!!! I typed like a page-long reply, but got logged out. F~~~

the short answer is no – I am not being sarcastic.
even if suppressing women’s nature is for the greater good, from woman’s perspective it’s still an oppression. See where I’m going? They say it’s oppression – and it’s true. They don’t say anything about their real nature (except maybe for slut walks) we’re oppressing, because it would sound like an outrageous lunacy what they really wish for themselves. But nevertheless it’s their nature and we’ve been oppressing it. So it’s kind of ouf fault for having illusions about their intentions and not theirs for having them.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

if we think of women as virtuous well-meaning human beings – we fail to see the Patriarchy and any oppression.
however, if we consider their true nature (see list above), then you start seeing ages of traditional family roles and monogamy as a real oppression – the Evil Patriarchy.
see what I mean?
so from simply because they accuse us of oppression, even though they’re not being open about their true nature, we can still deduce the conditions where the oppression is real. And it’s only real if we assume that their real nature is not virtuous and far from well-meaning. And that’s why nobody but Esther Villar had audacity to expose it.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

also, I don’t blame them for not being open about their nature and lying and deceiving
they know they have to be covert in their ways and not show their true colors, because when they do – we see them as vile disgusting heartless monsters. but remember – this is our subjective opinion of them. They just do what comes natural and what they do best. what other choices they have. if they start yelling the truth from street corners – men would shun them and stay away from them.
if praying mantis had intelligence and could speak – female mantis would never tell a male of her true intentions, because it would be counter-productive and she would never had offspring. And she wouldn’t see anything wrong with biting heads off or had any guilty conscience for it – hell- she might even enjoy it.
And any plea from male mantis for females to be humane and be good – would register with female as oppression and Patriarchy.

I think I finally understood feminism and why they see us as hate group.
I also think I was able to transcend red pill rage and get a better perspective on gender relations.
Both feminists and MGTOW are correct
Please tell me what you think

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

the problem with all this newly acquired understanding – is that now I have no clue how to bring up my daughter. I want the best for her, but at the same time I have no intention of teaching her how to manipulate men for her benefit. God help me find the answers

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Russky wrote:

also, I don’t blame them for not being open about their nature and lying and deceiving
they know they have to be covert in their ways and not show their true colors, because when they do – we see them as vile disgusting heartless monsters. but remember – this is our subjective opinion of them. They just do what comes natural and what they do best. what other choices they have. if they start yelling the truth from street corners – men would shun them and stay away from them.
if praying mantis had intelligence and could speak – female mantis would never tell a male of her true intentions, because it would be counter-productive and she would never had offspring. And she wouldn’t see anything wrong with biting heads off or had any guilty conscience for it – hell- she might even enjoy it.
And any plea from male mantis for females to be humane and be good – would register with female as oppression and Patriarchy.

I think I finally understood feminism and why they see us as hate group.
I also think I was able to transcend red pill rage and get a better perspective on gender relations.
Both feminists and MGTOW are correct
Please tell me what you think

MGTOW is an oppression for women.

“You’re denying millions of ladies their right to be mothers by taking the oath of non-cohabitation, non-marriage, non-reproduction”
“They could have children by artificial ways, can’t they?”
“But these are very expensive, and with the gender wage gap, you really thing your answer justifies our situation?
“Gender wage gap is a myth.”
“Oh realy?? yada yada yada……..”

I’m not denying women are oppressed more in some regions like the middle east; but the counter-oppression measures are equally, if not more, damaging for men.

Simple example:

Women are more affected by poverty. Just consider this.

There comes a law, “Post-divorce, 50% of husband’s property goes to his ex-wife”

“That’s not fair. Much of my money was with me before I even met her; and she clearly didn’t work that much to deserve half my wealth”

“But poverty affects her more than you. At least you can earn your money back, she can’t.”

You see here there are two ‘right claims’ by both parties. The women say its only right that they get half their spouse’s property because they can’t earn it themselves because mythica gender wage gap yada yada. But men say its not fair ’cause they don’t ‘deserve’ half the wealth because they haven’t worked to build even a singe dime of that money.

What do you think would be the effective unbiased solution to this problem?

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I am not saying MGTOW is oppression for women, I’m saying they see us as a hate group, because we expose their intentions and paint them in a negative light, while these intentions are natural and don’t have negative connotation from their point of view. But instead of embracing them – we hate them for them. And rightly so – because men suffer from consequences of unrestrained female behavior.
That’s why I think monogamy was a good civilized compromise to keep women in check and men happy.
But I see how they can spin it and still claim this is oppressive. It is oppressive, but this is a compromise they should agree on if both sexes want to be civil to each other and live together with hate between sexes minimized.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Russky wrote:

It is oppressive, but this is a compromise they should agree on if both sexes want to be civil to each other and live together with hate between sexes minimized.

Neither party is wiling to accept that even though they keep telling each other exactly the same thing over and over again.

Its like handing over the ranson money to your daughter’s kidnapper. “What if the other side doesn’t deliver?”

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

I think Russky is absolutely correct: his list is right and that’s more or less my perspective, too.
Personally I have a son and a daughter. I teach to my son both notions (school, general culture) and behaviors/morality (purple pill version) and also I show him a lot of affection. I teach to my daughter notions and I show her a lot of affection, but I don’t tell her something about behaviors/morality: it would not just only be useless (I cannot compete with the whole society that’s teaching her she’s a princess, a superior being
Who deserve all she wish) but also I don’t want that she hate me.

As long as men will have a relevant level of freedom and a relevant level of individual rights, women will feel generally oppressed by our mere existence. Take in example the “wage gap” myth: we generally work longer hours in generally more dangerous jobs, we are 95% deaths in the workplace, and we earn on average more than them. They feel oppressed and discriminated by that. Women would feel discriminated and oppressed even if they would earn 20% MORE than us while working the same hours and being 50% deaths in the workplace: they would say deaths of women in the workplace has extremely increased and that’s oppression.

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