<span style=”background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);”>Ok so i just discovered this a few days ago and i have probably read 20 hours worth of stuff. I am not MGTOW yet however I am strongly considering adopting some of their stuff. Some can be a bit jaded but those are the ones who have been burned. Otherwise they make extremely valid points that men should be aware of.<br style=”margin-top: 0px;” />
What I know about MGTOW. It doesn’t need much of an explanation of the basic principle Is men going their own self determined way, or more specifically in regards to the other gender, men not doing the traditional way of marriage and children. The participants are adopting hugely wide array of beliefs… Hence named going Your OWN way (a clear minority will have nothing at all to do with women beyond the cursory or mandatory, and a minority will still date women.) The only belief/behavior that I can find that is a large majority is a strike against the marriage contract. It seems most do not want any more kids either (I do.)
the clearest thing is that MGTOW IS NOT A UNIFIED MOVEMENT, much like talkbass is not a unified movement. MGTOW seems to be just a bunch of guys with a similar interest who congregate online and in real life about a common interest. For talkbass it is bass playing and all aspects of owning, buying, listening, playing etc. for MGTOW it is more negatively focused in that the sense that it is all about becoming aware of some of the snares set for men in regards to modern society, and specifically the modern western woman. It is also positive in the sense that it is about exercising personal freedom and in many cases recovering from Or avoiding the perceived injustices of a flawed system.
Much of the reason MGTOW exists is as a backlash to feminism. Feminism says that it is “all about the equality of the sexes” but actions speak louder than words. You will not see many feminist women fighting mens injustices (higher incarceration, higher suicide, higher homelessness, higher work deaths, higher sentences for the same crime, prison rape etc) In fact you will see many of the most prominent feminists advocating for dominance not equality. This is what led to many of the most jaded men to MGTOW… The unfair laws in the family court system that automatically favor women in every way by default (application of laws will be in next post… If you don’t read this thread, and if you are a man in America, you should read that post just for awareness sake.)
This specific story is what the men are railing against.
1) man dates attractive woman
2) man marries woman
3) man and woman has kids
4) one leaves the other (usually woman) stemming from the main source that woman is “unhappy.” (Yes i know this is not always case but very common and the laws are why. Bear with me.)
5) split. Woman takes children, often falsely accuses whatever is needed to shield kids from father, takes house, takes half of assets, takes child support, and takes alimony. (I agree that some of this is deserved but a close look at how it actually plays out is horrifying.)
Men are also railing against false accusations of all types: rape, violence etc. And women’s double standards, disloyalty, petty but vicious vindictiveness and overall narcissism (yes men do these things too, but it has now become somewhat systemically supported (and actively encouraged by feminism) for women to be this way.) Specifically the narcissism plays out that the women are “not happy” and instead of compromising would rather trade up if available, or else just leave and still keep all the tangible benefits at the mans expense.
MGTOW is just the reaction of men. “The system is stacked against me” and he walks away from the standard illusionary dream. A woman can not have his attention, time, resources, kids, future etc. instead he will go his own way and focus on his own interests and self improvement. He will control his own destiny and cannot be undermined by someone by entering into some unfairly enforced and unwise marriage contract. He will also not be lonely as he has other men and family. He can still choose to be sexually active. He does NOT have to be part of a movement but their are groups of like-minded men if he chooses to associate (some men are MGTOW without knowing the term or that others are doing the same.)
Now why would a man get married if basically a woman owns you for life, through the agency and enforcement of the government? Women are empowered now. They can fend for themselves. You can get everything you want without marriage.
This would be my breakdown of the active participants in online <span class=”skimlinks-unlinked”>MGTOW.com</span>. This is not scientific but based on a few days of interacting. Also the percentages add up to over 100% because some groups overlap
60% the main group in which most of the leaders fall. Those who have already been married and divorced, and many have kids. This group is shrinking (in percentage only) because of the next 2 groups
30% a group that has not married but had extremely bad interactions with women. Enough to make them go this way. Many have seen the plight of the former group
10% those who have usually dated some and have some stories but see the laws and the horrifying application of them. Many of them are younger, and feel lucky to become before experiencing the other 2 groups.
10% of the movement is jaded, and by that i mean their jadedness will not wear off.
20% of them could be said to hate women in general right now, though I think this is just a reflection of where they are in the process. Most will end up in the next group.
70% are either indifferent to women or else only get from women what they want (dates, sex etc.)
10% actively engage women in more prolonged things
100% have adopted THEIR OWN WAY, or are strongly considering it.
Well over 90% will not return to the norm. The only chance of this changing is if laws are overturned or made more fair. Overall men do not want to be treated like 2nd class citizens in society and ESPECIALLY their own family.
<span class=”skimlinks-unlinked”>Mgtow.com</span> is a safe space. No women. Lots of interesting threads. Start here… About | MGTOW
Best gender inclusive diScussion Without bickering (the comments not the blog itself.)
<span class=”skimlinks-unlinked”>awarethesanctuary-spacetraveller.blogspot.com/2012/01/mgtow-good-or-bad-for-women.html</span></span>
mrpropmech 4 years, 6 months ago.
