Spread Mgtow philosophy?

[JinParticipant 77]

Ok so I have a friend who shows very slight mgtow behavior ..

My question is should I tell him about mgtow? Now before you give me hate let me tell you why I haven’t told him yet.

For me I was doing a lot of research on women and wanted to find a community that would share similar interests. The product of that time spent was finding the MGTOW philosophy. The reason I haven’t told him about it is because I think if he was driven enough to find a community like this it would almost be like his rite of passage.

Likewise I want to expand the community and grow this site. (By the way I’m not selfish; I’m just not quite sure what to do…”

Any thoughts? Opinions?

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

[RedHeadedStrangerParticipant 204]

hmmm, you make a good point about the journey.  but here’s my 2 cents.  I’ve been living the life for 5 years now.  I only recently learned of the community.  so I didn’t have any context, or acronyms, or special vocab.  I was just honest with my friends about why I wasn’t getting serious with anyone, and wasn’t having sex with most of the girls I met.  I told them that I wouldn’t ever live with a girl again, that I would def never get married, and no fkn way i’d ever pay her bills.  I explained that I wouldn’t compromise my principles just to get laid, that I have high standards, and plan to live up to them.  everyone understands when explained like that.  I didn’t know about MRM/MRA’s or MGTOW, I didn’t know about female psychology.  I think if I had, they would have thought I’d gone of the deep end (my friends are jolly good assholes).  as a result of my approach with them, and my specific journey, I didn’t alienate anyone, nor did I alienate myself.  I think you owe him the truth, if you approach it from a similar angle, you should be fine.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Knowledge is power. All you are boing is holding you hand out and offering a red or blue pill.

If he’s sensible he will then go investigate each ….. and kick your door down for the red one 😀

[RennieParticipant]

People generally have to be able to see it for themselves before they can accept it. I’ve tried to explain it to some of my friends and since they don’t get it, they say this site is full of men who “hate women”.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Offer him the red pill. He will either take it or not. Either way, do not rub his nose in it. He will only open his eyes when he is ready to see. In other words, I agree with the previous posts.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

(Welcome Jin to the forums!)

There is something to be said about internalizing MGTOW. It’s like understanding the punchline to a joke that others don’t get. Once you have to explain it, it’s just not funny anymore. Even you admit that the idea wasn’t “sold” to you. It was very much a calling, and it’s really the only way it works. Men arrive at MGTOW organically.

It’s not necessary to mention “MGTOW” specifically – or explain it – but to SHOW it.
Whether you intend it or not, MGTOW will come out in you speech patterns, body language, walking pace, attitude, and even posture.

I have a blue pill friend who makes me wanna puke in the way he runs after girls, drops what he is doing to responds to a text, and showers them in compliments for no reason . It’s disgusting – and embarrassing – especially when we’re in a group. Now I have never used the letters “MGTOW” in any of my conversations with him, but he is aware of my general stance. I slap him senseless when we might be eating somewhere, and he will stop mid-sentence and answer his phone like his girlfriend keeps him on the shortest leash.

It drives him CRAZY that I don’t answer a text from him in under 3 minutes. He goes out of his mind – just like a chick. “why are you ignoring me?”. It’s pathetic. I have to explain to this idiot that my phone is not a colostomy bag like it is with him. I can’t say “MGTOW, man. Google it.” because that will do him no good. All he would see is the same s~~~ women see “oh it’s just a bunch of guys bitching about women on the internet”.

No.

“It’s a bunch of guys who would never be caught dead doing what YOU’RE doing”. But when he told me he is getting married (in California no less!), he already knew my reaction. He said “married”….. I heard “murdered”. He knew it already that I would think it’s the WORST mistake he could make with his life…. JUST from being around me and understanding my general attitude.

It isn’t 5 letters. It’s an entire way of life. It’s going grocery shopping on a Wednesday evening at 10PM instead of a Saturday morning at 10 AM when everyone else is doing it. It’s NOT taking long weekends when everyone else does, and taking a vacation when nobody else does. MGTOW is going to a movie on Monday night at 11PM being the only person in a totally empty theatre all to yourself…… instead of standing and waiting in line ups on a Friday evening at 7. It translates to every facet of your life.

You can’t “explain” that to anyone, or sell them the idea.
Just DO it, and let them notice.

It’s just a matter of time before he signs up here after the divorce.
I know his girlfriend. She thinks I’m hilarious, and knows he’s whipped beyond belief.
Tick tock. Tick tock.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

I do have a suggestion:
You can spread mgtow around the web. That will be helpful enough so people can discover WTF that is for themselves and do the research.
You can support your friends and talk with him, BUT there is no need to even say its ‘mgtow’ way. I mean, you can share links to some interesting threads or quotes etc. but  I would be very cautious.

 

Reason:

1). It can sound as something religious/political imho. You or him don’t even need to say it’s mgtow, to just do your thing and be cautious OR avoid relationships. Thats why it’s so awesome, it’s not an Agenda to be pushed on.

But It can look like one at a first glance, especially for people who are still in to social/female relationships etc. Let people discover what it is for themselves. They can know there is ALWAYS more then one choice, of course, but they should make one themselves.

 

2). Yes, the rite of passage, the feeling of getting to understand yourself and discover things yourself is great. When it feels like your idea.

Opposite of that is being forced/told about a thing. Not by intention of course, we want to help.

 

Honestly: I don’t know 100%. I support my friends, I linked this website’s threads to them, and left it at that.

I share MY thoughts with them when its needed. We are in when we have the time, and party. Overall, mistakes are still there for them to make and learn from, sadly, that’s the freedom of it.

I am there to support them before/when/after s~~~ hits the fan. Of course, better if it doesn’t. Even before I discovered the website.

 

What they do know – is my overall stance on avoiding the relationships 100% and they are completely cool with it and understand it.

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[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

I wonder…

Rennie wrote:

People generally have to be able to see it for themselves before they can accept it. I’ve tried to explain it to some of my friends and since they don’t get it, they say this site is full of men who “hate women”.

Why…

RoyDal wrote:

Offer him the red pill. He will either take it or not. Either way, do not rub his nose in it. He will only open his eyes when he is ready to see. In other words, I agree with the previous posts.

I even post before reading the whole thread and only read OP. And then I post a 200+ word piece. /facepalm

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[KeymasterKeymaster]

FullMetalExo wrote:

You can spread mgtow around the web.

I’ve found it VERY effective – in comment sections etc. – not to go on in a multitude of paragraphs, but just drop five letters:

“MGTOW”.

Period.

That’s it. In response to these endless gynocentric articles or rants about how there are no men left, or “Men are stupid”, or “15 reasons to date a single mother”… don’t even bother writing a sentence. Just drop “MGTOW” and the eye will go straight to it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

And that’s exactly how  I got here KeyMaster, It totally works. And its awesome to research the meaning/look for it. What is matrix
PS. the website looked so over the top godly and good, I was thinking it must be a financial scam, or some cult haha.

So I’v read forums for weeks before joining.

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[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

@ FullMetalExo: Well, that without a doubt is the best way one arrive in here…    … what the worst way is most of us already know, gentlemen.   Nuff said.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[KeymasterKeymaster]

FullMetalExo wrote:

The website looked so over the top godly and good, I was thinking it must be a financial scam, or some cult haha.
So I’v read forums for weeks before joining.

REALLY! Haven’t heard it put that way before. I suppose I never thought “over the top godly and good” could be a negative or a deterrent. But I see your point and thank you for saying so!.

The first comment we ever got was from a female: “this seems really over done”. Which I took as a enormous compliment, and to which I replied: “It is!”. We don’t NEED to be building and animating fighter jets, spend 3 weeks making an animated trailer, or obsessing over presentation…. but it forces the visitor to ask “is this for REAL?. Are they SERIOUS? ”

Its the best response because it forces the user to make up their OWN minds. It was done that way entirely on purpose.

You come. You either embrace it or you don’t. The guys who say “OMG! IM HOME!!!” those are who we created it for. F~~~ the rest.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

@ Keymaster: Heey, but that wasn’t the same person who (falsely) predicted, that the number of signed up members won’t ever go far beyond a thousand, or was it..?

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Don’t think so. She was just a front end visitor – the first who posted in the DISQUS comments. She didn’t sign up. That c~~~ who tried to join 9 times in one afternoon who said “HA HA just give it up, this will never take off” is eating her words today.

When we get “over the top” creative and “overspend” on details and impact…. I frequently think of this quote:

“It isn’t enough to just politely tap someone on the shoulder anymore.
You have to hit them over the head with a sledgehammer.
And then you’ll notice, you have their strict attention.”
– Kevin Spacey | SE7EN

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Yes, I was very cautious for weeks, about registering at this website at the time. I was burned by Alien:Colonial Marines in the time, and some scams /things happening around me.

 

My first reaction was : “OMG THIS IS SICK! Mind Blown. Love the style, logos, animations everything is top notch. Too good to be true, need to be cautious. MAN ONLY ? WHAT . OMG YES. THIS IS SICK OMG.” I was very pumped. I took some time to research the site before finally joining in.

 

Now it feels so right. Its great, when done my MAN with PASSION. GREAT JOB guys.

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[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

My way of spreading the philosophy is merely leaking it into conversation.

Example:

Person: “I can’t believe that guy would EVER hit a woman when she didn’t do anything to him.”
Me: “Better yet, why would someone hit ANYONE, man or woman, for no reason?  That’s pretty abusive…”

Person: “I don’t understand why he would not want to get married, it doesn’t make any sense!”
Me: “Well, with the way the legal system is by favoring women nearly every time, and how women feel entitled to being worshiped, I could see there being a good reason…”

…You get the idea.

I then leave it to them to ask me further questions later if they’d like, which they frequently do!

It works better when bringing this up with men (obviously), and make sure you know they’re not complete white knights (there’s something about them that makes them even worse about this kind of thing).

If you bring it up with women and CAN be convincing, you might get some info across, but I’d worry they might use that against us (not that it really matters anyway, I suppose).

You’ll also almost guaranteed hear a woman use the classic “argument” where they’ll tell you: “Well, it goes both ways, so…”

[KeymasterKeymaster]

FullMetalExo wrote:

Yes, I was very cautious for weeks, about registering at this website at the time.

I don’t blame you. It’s very common in the Manosphere and it was the general reception we first received. I expected it. “UN-trusting” if that’s the word. So this wasn’t the kind of project we could announce and have people just say “GREAT!! SIGN ME UP!!”. We had to build it first. Cement our feet in the Manosphere. EARN the respect – so to speak. It took 10 months for BarBar to contact us as one example. There is a sense of “suspicion” we worked very hard to do away with.

It had to be a “if you build it, they will come” kind of thing.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BryantParticipant 229]

ive noticed that spreading the philosophy is somewhat akin to painting a target on your back, i am currently in trade school for automotive/diesel tech and most of the guys there are in the 18-20 age range, and i even bring up mgtow anything im automatically “a woman hater” and or crazy,  but as in keymasters post earlier about the showering them with compliments and dropping everything to talk to them, it happens constantly. i try to help em and explain relations~~~s are not worth your time, “disregard females, aquire currency”. but i guess they gotta learn the hard way, just 2 damn thirsty they are. i just wish some would listen, dont want them to grow older and realize i was right when its too late.

"He who lives with honor dies with honor."

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Bryant wrote:

but i guess they gotta learn the hard way

Yes regalbryant, most of them especially so the thirsty ones can only learn the hard way and that’s why there is hardly any point in throwing in any more arguing points whenever you may find these people won’t listen, just leave ’em be, which really is the MGTOW way of handling that. But:

Governor Megachris% wrote:

spreading the philosophy is merely leaking it into conversation.

This is a good way for bringing it across, Megachris% and it’s very similar to the way that I do it. The suitable people will get curious enough to do the rest, as in researching it themselves on the own initiative and might or might not eventually find their way here. That’s all there is to it really. And frankly these are more likely to be the people who sign up here and take the whole thing seriously enough to stay with, rather than sticking around for say only a few weeks or worse still f~~~ing about in here, so yeah I mean it surely is not for everybody at least not at this point. Once it may or may not become a kind of mainstream (hopefully not really) and how it then might change the whole situation only time will tell, therefore some caution with the spreading would be appropriate, fellas. My 2 cents on that.

 

Ned T.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[BlackEagleParticipant 54]

i have kinda dropped the MGTOW here an there with brief explanation. like this i can also gauge how much  of a white knight, mangina or  looking for answers the person in front of me is!

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