Speculation on why long term relations~~~s don't work

[Maraudrz1Participant 2250]

I have been doing some thinking lately about long term relations~~~s. A thought or realization came up that I think needs further exploring. As recently as 200 years ago the life expectancy of people was in their mid-40s. Life was hard and it took both man and woman to build a family and a living. Grand children were very important so as to ensure survival of the human species. Could it be that part of the reason that relations~~~s have difficulty lasting is because of the shorter lifespan of people and therefore the need was minimal at best. The living standards we have today and the longer life expectancy may be making it difficult for people to stay in a relations~~~s lasting decades instead of years. I have not thought this completely through and simply do not have the capacity to do what is needed to do this. I do not have the education to follow through on this. I would like to see someone like Tim Patten research and do an article on this. I, also, would like to get responses from my fellow MGTOW on this.

Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.

[WallstreetParticipant 63]

But explain why both pair of grandparents and my parents were married till death. My mom and dad died at 60, grand-parents lived into their 80s. My grandfather died after a long fight with prostate cancer that required castration, my grandmother had him home those last few months and tended to him.

[Maraudrz1Participant 2250]

There are always exceptions to anything. Basically what I am talking about is why it seems so hard for even more relationships to last longer than they do. Have we evolved to where such long term relationships are not the norm and now that we live so much longer said relationships do not happen as often? Consider that your grandparents and mine grew in a time when it was put in their heads that you are supposed to have a lifetime marriage. My own sister is in such a term marriage. She was raised to do that and on how to treat a man. She supports him in anyway she can and is home every night when he comes home to a clean house and food on the table. She raised his child and loves him very much. Women today are not raised that way. I was just wondering if shorter life spans in the past may have had something to do with the high percentage of divorces.

Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.

[OrlandoParticipant 833]

I think there are multiple reasons that relationships don’t last in our current time. I don’t think longer lifespan plays a significant role. Life spans weren’t considerably shorter in the early-mid 20th century, and it was common for marriages to last till the death of one spouse.

I believe it has more to do with the destruction of traditional female roles, the introduction of oral contraceptives, and the lack of accountability of the modern female. She can do no wrong, otherwise call it oppression.

It use to be that man and woman worked as a unit, with the man at the head of the household. Of course, this too is considered oppression now. The relationship, then, didn’t revolve around the man making her happy, and she knew that wasn’t his mission in life. They had larger fish to fry. Today, it’s every “woman” for herself, and the man is kicked to the curb if he gets in her way for any reason.

The role of modern women has undergone enormous change, while men are largely stuck in their traditional role as provider. Modern women have every reason to destroy a relationship. No accountability, and they can move onto the next guy with no shame. It’s lauded.

With oral contraception, women can f~~~ freely. There is no need to pick a boring, stable man, because she can bang Chad Thunderwillie, who sells dope down at the docks. She doesn’t need to worry about having a stable man around to care for thugspring.

The worst reason that relationships don’t last is that modern men have been putting up with this s~~~ from modern women.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Maraudrz1 wrote:

Could it be that part of the reason that relations~~~s have difficulty lasting is because of the shorter lifespan of people and therefore the need was minimal at best. The living standards we have today and the longer life expectancy may be making it difficult for people to stay in a relations~~~s lasting decades instead of years.

I don’t think so. Consider the way the female & male SMV (sexual market value) are designed by nature. In the span of 20 years, they do a complete 180 reversal.

Her options are wide open at 21. His are not.
He will have more options at 41 than he ever did at 21. She will not.

That has always been generally consistent.

Maraudrz1 wrote:

just wondering if shorter life spans in the past may have had something to do with the high percentage of divorces.

It’s as if men and women are just not designed by nature to have a 25+ year relationship. Women start fantasizing about babies and marriage before they hit puberty.

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Young men don’t generally fantasize about that. That’s why those images are from “just girly things”. If you really want to get down and dirty, “relationships” and marriage are just not appealing to men. They are “her dreams realized… and his dreams dashed.”

That’s a man in his 40s talking.

Let’s also not forget that women are INCENTIVIZED to initiate divorce today. It’s openly encouraged, they shamelessly use terms like “starter husband” and collect a huge payout for that. There was BIG SHAME and stigma for anyone who wanted a divorce just 60 years ago. Now women go to bars and male strip clubs to happily “celebrate their divorce” in groups. (I s~~~ you not!)

Modern women want to get paid for being s~~~ty wives – even when THEY cheat! You can’t maintain a “long term relationship” in a social (and legal) climate that is so morally bankrupt.

Look at this bulls~~~ ad from Ashley Madison dot com.
Marketed to the sex that dreams of marriage and babies?
Gimme a break.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 54]

Good lord guys ..dont get married.She wont stick it out during the hard times.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

My speculation…

1. Divorce is way to rewarding to a lot of women. I’m pretty well off in my early 30s, I could marry a female of similar age and pop 2-3 kids out with her. During the course of the marriage I could pay off her past debt, pay for her to go to college, buy a house for us to live in, and completely support her. 6 years down the road she could divorce me for no real reason, and she’ll get the house, the kids, access to my future income, and a chunk of my retirement savings that would have been even larger had I never got involved with her. The wrong woman in my life could literally cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars over the next decade…huge pay day for her, huge expense for me.

2. Promiscuity. Its more accepted and women have more options to avoid pregnancy. I’d say its less risky for women but now they all just end up with diseases instead of babies for whoring around…that is…unless she wants the baby lol.

3. See point 2…unless she wants the baby. I think back in the day more men and women got into a relationship knowing babies were to follow…so you better pick a good spouse. These days I think a lot of men are duped into relationships with ‘whoops’ babies, and the women think they have them trapped and treat them like s~~~ til things fizzle. That wouldn’t have been done back in the day…even if a couple had an accidental pregnancy they would have wanted to save face with society, and probably actually needed each other, meaning the woman would have to have been decent still, not just treated the man like s~~~ because between welfare and the courts raping the baby daddy and society viewing what she did as ok, she’s completely covered.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Long term relationships are boring. All you do is either complete a lists of things to do around the house or go to social gatherings, in purpose to improve the c~~~s social status.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[WallstreetParticipant 63]

My maternal grandfather was born in 1927, my gm a few years later. He enlisted in the Navy right at the end of WWII, but got early discharge (within a year) after his dad died so he could return home and take care of his mom and little sister. Gf and gm met before he started working for the telephone company, he was in training, she was working her way through the University of Tennessee by waiting tables.

When he got on with the telephone company he was working nights while she worked the day. He routinely worked +40 hours a week. Did it suck, yes. Did they stick together, yes.

Why? I think because we didn’t have the mass-market consumerism and a hypersexualized society distracting them.

We as a society are rotten and are rarely human beings toward one-another.

Men today look at women as mere sex objects. Your mother was a woman.

Women today look at men as merely vehicles of utility.

Its disgusting which is why I have removed myself from the battlefield.

Its like the Movie Wargames, the winning move is not to play the game.

[mp357Participant 531]

i think its a perfect storm of different things. never before seen consumerism and narcissism are parts of it, also this modern obsession women have to be “happy”. women believe they deserve happiness at any cost. and plenty of men have simply been priced out of the market, just getting by has never been harder. Add a women to your cost of living and its just ridiculously expensive.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

It’s beneficial for a women to get a divorce, why would they stay married ? They can and do get another mangina easy enough.

As has been said why would a man marry these days ?

[Maraudrz1Participant 2250]

The one main thing that I see is the utter ruthlessness of the woman. It is a marvel that they can hold such intense grudges to utterly destroy a man. Take his house, money, children, car and even the dog just to be cruelly vindictive. They can hold these feelings for months and these feelings blind them to what it means for their children. To me they are just as cruel to the children as to the husband. That makes them EVIL!!!

Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.

[Won'tGetFooledAgainParticipant 3293]

The reason marriage and long term relationships do not work is because real life gets in the way. Lets be honest, the first year or so of a relationship is the honeymoon period when you have all these chemicals in your brain and you f~~~ each other’s brains out every time you meet. Once this wears off you are left with real life, and lets be honest real life is boring. This is why women cheat, they want that excitement again.

The main reason why marriage fails is because women try to change their husbands and destroy the very thing that attracted them to them in the first place. Once she has that ring on her finger she will start turning you into that beta slave provider who does everything she wants, so that no other woman will want you. However, women are not attracted to blue pill beta’s so sooner or later she will realise she is bored of you as she isn’t attracted to you anymore. You will get the “I love you, I am just not in love with you” speech and she will be off looking for someone who makes her Gina tingle.

This is also made even easier by no fault divorce that means she will get the house, kids and money once she kicks you out. There is also no stigma to this, all of her friends will be saying “You go girl” and blame the man for not giving her the attention she deserves.

For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

The reason why relationships don’t work today is because you have Big Daddy Government playing Captain Save-A-Ho. Let these single mothers starve in the street trying to feed their bastard children and their tune will quickly change.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

OT @snake. It’s good to see you again. Others have also recently asked how you’ve been. Thought you should know.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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