Sorry, I forgot! My Intro. Dr. Strange?

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

I came on MGTOW guns a’blazing! 🙂

I have to take a breath and go get a beer, and consider how I should/will write this in a reasonably brief way!

married 18 years (3 kids, didn’t fight her in court because I was nice – even MGTOW brothers wouldn’t believe that. I wouldn’t!

I am a Christian who went to 1 Cor 6 .. Refusing to go to court against another Christian (but I know now they aren’t – duh!)

20/20 rear view mirror.

But that is my story. Then, to put the cherry on the ‘stupid’ Sunday (pun) I got REMARRIED 3 months after my 18 year marriage!

I hadn’t studied psychology one bit and didn’t know MGTOW from KOTOW (A former Chinese custom of touching the ground with the forehead as a sign of respect or submission – irony eh?) — But over 4,000 hours of study and almost 3 years later with HYPERFOCUS.. and.. well..

I wouldn’t say I had ‘Red Pill Rage’ For me it was ‘Red Pill Enlightenment’ which acted like a pain-killer for suffering I had been enduring for all the years I was desperately searching for answers.

REAL answers. Not easy finger pointing, blaming simple stuff which works as a temporary salve, but doesn’t give long term healing.

To explain all the details and knowledge I found along the way wouldn’t fit even in several books, but MGTOW was a critical piece of the overall puzzle I had been struggling to complete.

Understand, even as I write this, I still don’t see my kids. I should be angry since I didn’t do anything beside stop (or refuse as is the case in the second marriage) giving ‘cash and prizes’, which would make my whole life dedicated to someone who wouldn’t/couldn’t reciprocate in an equitable way.

I admit. It drove me to the edge of madness, and I almost lost my faith in God. The cruelty another human to dispense was completely off the charts. The pain I felt was beyond anything that could be described without sounding ‘weird/off’

..and I did as I described that being ‘gassed’ in Auschwitz would be better than never being able to see your kids..

My crime was not fighting in court and giving the (separated at the time) Ex all my extra money, enough to hire lawyers to take my kids, with me having no visitation, lacking the money to hire one myself as all extra money went to her! Even before the divorce, because I was ‘nice’!

Imagine $4500/mo child support. Imagine being stupid enough to pay her that many months before she even filed for divorce (living with her parents and our kids)!

Imagine paying that and having no custody, no visitation. Never seeing your kids. Ever. Again. [It has been years]

I would be surprised to hear of a single MGTOW on this board who can claim anything like this. I would be SHOCKED.

This is what a NICE, Godly Christian does. Of course no cheating or common BS crap.

[deep breath]

Now, time for the shocker:

I wouldn’t change a thing NOW.

I WOULDN’T wish it on anyone. And I am not saying I would want to live through it again.

But what happened, is I learned a Lot. And I can HELP a Lot.

Fear Not: Now that I’m getting back on my feet, I’ll make it so I get to see my kids, and they get to see me.

The evil of those women will see a lot of people helped.

I don’t regret any of it.

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

The IMPORTANT part in all that CRAP is that YOU have SURVIVED, LEARNED, and MOVED ON !!

NOW YOU CAN BEGIN TO LIVE FOR YOU !!

YOU HAVE FREEDOM !!

WELCOME !!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Are you brad Pitt?

Welcome brother.

Peace brothers

[MACHOParticipant]

JustAnotherGuy wrote:

what happened, is I learned a Lot. And I can HELP a Lot.
Fear Not: Now that I’m getting back on my feet, I’ll make it so I get to see my kids, and they get to see me

Welcome JustAnotherGuy, I can sense quite a survivor in you brother. Pull yourself a chair and enjoy the forums! 🍺🍺

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[WallyParticipant]

Welcome, it’s men like you who save the lives of younger Men and have come back from the battlefield.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[53ClicksUpParticipant 1345]

Welcome to the fold Brother! I am sorry that you didn’t get your day in court the way you should have. I used to be a nice guy too, but got tired of being taken advantage of by others, especially women. Now, I simply just don’t bother with anyone except those men left in the world, that share my political beliefs and interests. I find these “real men” (and good hunting dogs of course) are the only creatures on planet earth one can rely on.

If I’m struggling with some major project, like doing an engine swap on a car, moving a sailboat 140 miles down the coast, trouble shooting a bad magneto on an airplane engine, I don’t have to ask these other guys for help….they just step up and offer it. I in turn, always make myself available to them when they need a helping hand. These are the kind of guys that may or may not be MGTOW, but they are still men and they live what I simple refer to as “The Code”. The Code may exist outside or within MGTOW, but I do not believe it is in conflict with MGTOW. These men are simply what a lot of us refer to as “stand-up guys”.

I feel your pain when it comes to the kids being taken away from you. After my divorce I got “visitation” with my adolescent son, but it didn’t mean s~~~! The ex simply moved 250 miles away and that was the end of my regular contact with my son. He is now struggling in school and has become one of those teenage zeros that won’t bother with even getting a driver’s license, get up in the morning to go to class, or attend a high school dance when a nice girl asks him out. I am powerless to influence the situation in any meaningful way. His mother has no interest in raising him, just keeps him in his zombie state supplied with an endless quantity of computer games to keep him trapped in her house so that she can continue to collect child support from me.

The family court system and laws are stacked against men and women use “the system” to their full advantage. If I may, I would like to share a somewhat related story with you.

A few years back, I became aware of a couple of middle aged black women living together in my neighborhood, that took in a teenage boy as a foster child. I thought to myself,… “Well damned if that isn’t a selfless act for a couple of women to do.” I interacted with this kid on a regular basis over a couple of years. He was smart, athletic, and had his s~~~ together. He impressed me with his attitude and work ethic. He didn’t have a criminal thought or bad bone in his body.

Over time, I noticed that those two fat assed black women started to use him like slave labor. The kid was put to work in the yard and was constantly fixing the exterior of the house or washing, vacuuming, and waxing their two newly acquired high-end cars. I also noticed that these women were dressed a lot snazzier than they used to be too. So within a few months the two women had new cars, new clothes, got even fatter and had one of the best looking houses and yards in the neighborhood. Then after a couple of years it all fell apart.

I routinely crossed paths with the kid while walking my dog and always asked how he was doing and usually he was OK. But then one day he told me that his “aunts” as he called them, would not let him play football anymore. I asked why, and he told me the women said that it was taking up too much of “their time” driving him to practice and games. I felt real bad for the kid and wanted to offer to help, but didn’t feel like it was any of my business to intervene. A couple of months later the kid ran away 5 times was caught and returned home by the cops. The kid then finally disappeared all together. I guess he just got tired of being worked like a dog and when they took his only outlet “football” away from him he decided “F~~~ This!”

A fascinating transition then took place over the succeeding year at the house. The two new cars disappeared to be replaced with older used ones. The clothes became plainer and the house and the yard went to total s~~~. Only then, did I realize that these women didn’t care at all about this kid. They were simply using him as free labor and to get money from the state to finance a new upgraded life style. Apparently being too fat and ugly to get any man to copulate with them and produce a child that way, they opted to go to the government and get a free foster kid as a source of income. When the kid disappeared so did the money.

Women use men….they use the system…and don’t give a s~~~ about anybody but themselves. F~~~ em!

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Greetings Guy,

Your introduction is too familiar.

JustAnotherGuy wrote:

…….I would be surprised to hear of a single MGTOW on this board who can claim anything like this. I would be SHOCKED……

Be prepared to be SHOCKED when you keep reading the Forums and digging into the Archives.

YOU ARE NOT ALONE!

JustAnotherGuy wrote:

…..My crime was not fighting in court and giving the (separated at the time) Ex all my extra money, enough to hire lawyers to take my kids, with me having no visitation, lacking …….. as all extra money went to her! Even before the divorce, because I was ‘nice’!

Me Too!

Mine was in another state, hundreds of miles away, for a decade.

Divorce Court is rigged against men, Guy.

The Divorce Lawyers and Judges are the worst kinds of human filth.

You were set up when you got married.

Your day in Court was just a formality.

JustAnotherGuy wrote:

…Imagine $4500/mo child support. Imagine being stupid enough to pay her that many months before she even filed for divorce (living with her parents and our kids)!

Me Too!

And many of my Pals had to pay much more than that.

JustAnotherGuy wrote:

……I am a Christian who went to 1 Cor 6 .. Refusing to go to court against another Christian (but I know now they aren’t – duh!)

Many of us here, particularly the former Blue Pill slaves, have been fools in one form or another.

I was a Bible Dupe.

The School of Hard Knocks forced me to logically examine Modern Religions, especially some of the “curses” written into the Bible.

Consider this question Guy:

How long can you expect to live, if your immune system decides to “turn the other cheek” and “Forgive” the enemy?

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[Y_Participant 4591]

Welcome. Glad you found us.

[BlacqueJacqueShellacqueParticipant 6890]

I didn’t really care for you when you arrived.

I was too quick to judge. I’m sorry for that.

Pain is a common denominator here. Welcome brother. I understand about Christians not suing Christians. I know this too.

If you have never seen Ann Barnhardt speak about nice, the meaning of the word, I present this to you. Welcome brother.

Long story short: Nice does not mean what we’ve been told. It basically means “to know nothing.”

Starts at 3:20

[Anonymous 14]

Hey man, glad to have you here. Also, great find on the Enter the Zeta guy who’s video I posted in your thread. He is hands down the easiest guy for me to listen to who has religion. (Atheist here)

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

JustAnotherGuy wrote:

didn’t fight her in court because I was nice

Many men are guilty of this and think ‘if I’m nice she will be too’.. We don’t understand that hypergamy demands the last male in her life, especially one she had kids with, must be completely eradicated from her life to prove her loyalty and availability to the next male, even before she finds him. Except for the money part, because using your money is the utility component. These two givens in female nature (hypergamy and utility) destroy men, and not enough men go into court prepared to defend against it.
Welcome

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

Darksith: Are you brad Pitt? Welcome brother.

Believe it or not, I’ve made myself look very much like Brad Pitt as Tyler Durden [fight club].

As a MONK, it has been very valuable regarding ‘experiments’ in gender psychology.

And no, I never go to the gym. I have a pair of dumbbells and stretchy bands. And software I created on my computer that forces me to stay in peak shape 🙂

Psychology CAN BE HACKED. Fascinating stuff.

One thing I’ve not seen mentioned as a benefit of being a MONK:

It is very liberating. I am able to be KIND and loving to EVERYONE.

I don’t want anything from anyone and don’t expect anything. This way kindness (to make or female) is just about spreading love and happiness (which makes ME happy) – This is a huge benefit of being a MONK.

Not sure if that was ever mentioned in the forums.. I’m sure it has been many times, no thought is ‘original’, just regenerated and possibly restated)

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

53ClicksUp: ..teenage zeros that won’t bother with even getting a driver’s license, get up in the morning to go to class, or attend a high school dance when a nice girl asks him out. I am powerless to influence the situation in any meaningful way. His mother has no interest in raising him, just keeps him in his zombie state supplied with an endless quantity of computer games to keep him trapped in her house so that she can continue to collect child support from me.

You do know he (your son) probably has ADHD (from your post, it seems relatively obvious to me) right? (like me) This is not a DISORDER. It is a DIFFERENCE. The problem w/ the computer games is it keeps him from finding his passion. Without a passion, he will not find his ‘power’.

My current book (the one I’m working on) is called ADHD: A Different Human Design

Turns out all the major inventions/art/music you can imagine are from ADHD (men of course) individuals. ALL <98-99+ percent> I can’t get into it on this post as it is long and drawn out.

ADHD is 75-90% INHERITED. Always biological (the other way [not conclusive] certain carcinogenic agents in utero, but in light of the new neurological discoveries, I expect the in utero theories (from before the 2014) to be wholly disproved.

ADHD is not like any other ‘disorder’ (it isn’t a disorder mind you) that exists. Neuropsychology 4 years ago found conclusively that ADHD is a function of 5 [of 10/11 depending on source] regions of the brain being 3-5% (in very rare cases up to 10%) smaller at birth and LAGS in growth behind the norms. Those regions DO GROW TO 100%, but 2-3 years later than everyone else.

What is NOT mentioned is how the other regions of the brain compensate..

I’ve researched THIS topic for over 500 hours (I know, not THAT much, but I’ve lived with it my whole life not knowing what it REALLY was until about 6 months ago.

This is THE expert regarding the Neuropsychological science. His vocabulary when he says, “disorder”, understand that “Order” is based on median/average behavior.

Dr. Russell Barkely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSfCdBBqNXY
..And go as deep as you want.

Understand : Median/average behavior never invents or creates anything of meaning, but prioritizes ‘fitting in’.

..So don’t be offended by some of his vocabulary. He is THE expert. Trust me. I don’t even really like him, but he is CORRECT and accurate regarding the biology of this ‘special’ (ADHD) condition. When he talks about the ‘comorbids’ regarding ADHD (like ODD etc, he is wrong in the way he states it. He should say that they (ADHD) are more SENSITIVE and SUSCEPTIBLE to parental and social abuses that cause ‘personality disorders’ instead of ADHD CAUSES XYZ – Common mistake though, so don’t ignore him, i.e throw the baby out with the bath water.)

[THIS IS A MAJOR PART OF MY BOOK BY THE WAY, IF YOU’RE CURIOUS]

ADHD Inventors: (this is why it isn’t a DISORDER, but a DIFFERENCE) – I will keep this very very short. Note 98% (OR MORE) OF ALL MAJOR INVENTIONS, are by ADHD males.

Benjamin Franklin
Nikolai Tesla
Thomas Jefferson
Henry Ford
The Wright Brothers
Albert Einstein
Stephen Hawking
Socrates
Steve Jobs
Bill Gates
Alexander Graham Bell
Sir Isaac Newton
Louis Pasteur

..Sooo many more. Google “famous ADHD or ADHD inventors, or ADHD [artist/musicians/whatever]

Oh, and look up ‘ADHD SUPERPOWERS’ (on google) – These are POTENTIAL ‘super powers’ and each one has a ‘revers/dark side’ version (a chapter in my book)

“The truth is that when people with ADHD are able find something that they’re passionate about, they will dedicate themselves harder than anyone else could even imagine — often times crushing the competition.

And judging by what some people have accomplished, I think it’s safe to say that it should be considered more of an advantage than a weakness.” –

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

TheManipulatedMan: Me Too! And many of my Pals had to pay much more than that.

I feel so much better now! Knowing you got ‘raped’ even worse! …

Wait.. Maybe I’m not as nice as I thought I was..

..That shouldn’t make me feel better! 🙁
—–

I was a Bible Dupe.

I don’t believe I was a Bible dupe. I believe I chose to ignore key parts and got my butt handed to me.

I should have required this (or realize it doesn’t exist in this society) :

Eph 5:22 : Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23-For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24-Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.” ..then to verse 33: “Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.”

1 Timothy 2:12 : “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

..I can show you at LEAST 20-40 MORE!

..So let’s not blame GOD (or Christianity) brothers! The Bible clearly has the correct path. we just didn’t know it or follow it if we did.

BTW, THIS is one reason why you use KJV. The newer version subtley white wash things. The ultimate WHITE WASH bible (for example) is the “Message” bible.

..I was a prison minister for a few years and carefully studied the bible for over a decade, including commentaries (verse by verse) from several scholars including : H.A Ironside, Scofield, J Vernon McGee, Matthew Henry, as well as Scofield reference notes and others.

In the prisons I had to be flexible. This meant having a grasp of the doctrines held by the major religions and differences among the many protestant faiths.

..and if a more profound argument could be made regarding an interpretation, I had to be willing to change or (most likely, consider the option and study seeing the validity) – BTW, what I began to be able to do is ‘PROVE’ many of the beliefs of different doctrine among the protestant religions based on the priorities placed on doctrine using a core ‘flex’ being the Armenian vs Calvinistic positions, which are at the core of protestant bible interpretation.

..By the way, if you’re a ‘Bible Geek’, the truth is BOTH are correct! 🙂 It is RELATIVITY. Best explained with Einstein’s ‘train’ analogy. – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

Yumbo: Welcome. Glad you found us.

Not as glad as I am!

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

Hey man, glad to have you here. Also, great find on the Enter the Zeta guy who’s video I posted in your thread. He is hands down the easiest guy for me to listen to who has religion. (Atheist here)

I know right, regarding Enter the Zeta!

Imagine.. Even his FIRST is EXCELLENT! How many can you say that about! I wouldn’t have brought him up if he didn’t have a UNIQUE VOICE!

Regarding ATHEIST? So what. Atheism is ALSO a faith and no MORE OR LESS valid than ANY OTHER FAITH.

Faith that unseen benevolence does not exist – EASILY PROVABLE! SO *MUCH* RESPECT! I don’t bring up RELIGIOUS stuff to change anyone. Just to help men who ‘LOST’ a faith that was once a comfort and cornerstone in their life. I myself almost lost mine, except I *HATED* God so much, (laugh) I couldn’t NOT believe in a God I hated so much!! 🙂 ..Anyhow, I got through that and stopped blaming.

But what you may not know is: Conservative Christians are very very ignorant, and in some (which I hate to admit) ways ‘dangerous’, sometime in physical (obvious worldly) ways, but more often psychologically to other christians as when PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, they don’t live by their beliefs..

This isn’t a religious ‘forum’ at all. but I want you to know, I don’t think I’m MORE RIGHT than any other faith or no faith. Not ONE BIT. In fact, the Bible itself says that clearly (ask if you care) – but ‘Christians’ don’t actually even KNOW the bible. [DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED!]

I love you brother. Couldn’t love you more if you were Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Mormon, or anything else.

Here, we are MGTOW brothers first!

AMEN!

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

53ClicksUp:

I suspect YOU’RE the one with ADHD. You’re using superpowers (one is ‘hyper focus’) to be able to do all that you can, and to have written such a long insightful post.

FYI (for those who care) Passion/emotion activate the ‘super powers’. These powers can be used for a person’s good or bad.

Quick Test:

1)Find it almost painfully difficult to do monotonous repetitive tasks? And when you have to, you daydream?

2) Class clown in school, especially grades 5-10)?

3)Super brave, trying/doing things others wouldn’t.

4)Sometimes when you do stuff others thing is ‘brave’ you take it to the next level to make it interesting (Lord of Extreme?)

5)Able to ‘read’ people’s emotions at an UNCANNY level (this is ADHD w/ being Co-dependant) such that you can ‘TASTE’ (feel them) the emotions? Even in a ROOM you can gauge the ‘AVERAGE’ emotional tone?

6) In ‘hyper focus’ mode, you lose track of time and sometimes are snapped out of it because you’re shaking for not having eaten, or

7) If interrupted (With a request from spouse/employer or having to pee) then thinking about what you were previously doing doing such that you’re a zombie until you get back to what you want to do..

I could go on..

..Yes, I suspect almost all MGTOW are ‘A Different Human Design’.

As for me? Count me in with the greatest of the great throughout history.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

FrostByte: Many men are guilty of this and think ‘if I’m nice she will be too’.. We don’t understand that hypergamy demands the last male in her life, especially one she had kids with, must be completely eradicated from her life to prove her loyalty and availability to the next male, even before she finds him. Except for the money part, because using your money is the utility component. These two givens in female nature (hypergamy and utility) destroy men, and not enough men go into court prepared to defend against it.

..Sound psychology. I would ask you to consider that maybe some of the assumptions are ‘LIMITED’ though.. And I’m not being ‘judgemental’ at all, this is commonly accepted (and a correct OBSERVATION from the outside) from everything I’ve read/heard..

We don’t understand that hypergamy demands the last male in her life.. Correct. Hypergamy requires that to ‘MONKEY BRANCH’, you have to ‘LET GO’ of the last branch.. Your entire observation is CORRECT in my opinion.

BUT! I would submit that it isn’t the FULL PICTURE!

It solves ‘Cognitive Dissonance’ (the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes..) – You cannot hold two opposing beliefs for any long period of time without going (so some level) insane. When there is a HIGH LEVEL of pain, there HAS TO BE A BAD GUY, otherwise, you go nuts. Either the PERSON THEMSELVES have to be wrong or the other person when the stakes are this high. (kids not having a father, forever being hurt at varying levels and will never be as good as a proper functioning family – sorry, I know this can be painful, but it is ‘self evident’)

Somebody has to be blamed, and somebody has to pay for this!

THIS (proven [simple] psychology) is bigger than MONKEY BRANCHING.

There are others, but I would ask the brothers to think BIGGER.

[Anonymous 1]

Welcome, Brother!

DorkShit wrote:

Are you brad Pitt?

Welcome brother.

Ha! I sure hope so.

If you need to write that book of how being ‘nice’ REALLY paid off, write it! We need more literature about MGTOW, I guess.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

Wrikundoro,

Being ‘nice’ only pays off regarding how you feel about yourself, however, taken too far it is self destructive. (As we MGTOW know)

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