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Aw man! Don’t need no celebrating someone’s death! That what momma taught us. That what teacher taught us. An’ I ‘gree much o’ it was nay right but ‘ey, this is sumthin’ that ‘ey taught us good an’ I kno fo’ sure it ain’t no blu’ pill ting’!
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Have you ever heard the term, “Don’t hate the sinner. Hate the sin.”?
Are you suggesting that sin and sinner are unconnected? As if sin was an entity or force which has agency in the world which humans are powerless to resist? I could say “do not hate the cup when it falls from your hand, hate gravity instead” and that would be a valid statement because gravity is a force which acts upon the cup and which the cup is powerless to resist. However people are not cups, they have free will, and sin is not a force like gravity, it is a human construct to explain why evil people do evil things.
Quoted for truth.
“Such as are your habitual thoughts, such also will be the character of your mind; for the soul is dyed by the thoughts.”
Marcus AureliusThat would be the Marcus Aurelius who presided over the 4th great persecution of Christians? Thousands of Christians tortured, burned at the stake or thrown to the lions. His soul must be the darkest of shades. Who will you quote nest, Genghis Khan?
Bottom line; people should take responsibility for their own actions, that is part of taking the red pill. The notion that people are compelled to act by external forces is the bedrock of SJW’s cultural Marxism.
Do you seriously mourn the death of Osama Bin Laden? Can you possibly regret Hitler’s death? The death of evil doers should be celebrated by all right minded folk, if for no other reason than after death they are no longer able to commit evil acts, their evil dies with them.
“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”
My history teacher thought Hiter was a great man!
“Sure he killed a few jews, but he boosted a country’s economy in such a short time! It was a remarkable feat! He was one of those people who could get things done!”
And yes, she was a woman.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Bottom line; people should take responsibility for their own actions, that is part of taking the red pill. The notion that people are compelled to act by external forces is the bedrock of SJW’s cultural Marxism.
Yes, people are responsible for their actions, but they are more then just their actions and are capable of change. ‘Red pillers’ should understand that very well since the many are former ‘blue pillers’. I wouldn’t say people are compelled by external forces, although there compelling addictions and external mis-education that can lead to behavior, it does not mean that people are incapable of change. I’d also say that it’s possible to appreciate favorable qualities in a person while rejecting the unfavorable qualities.
For example, if I was anti-homosexuality, it does not mean that I cannot mean that I must condemn all homosexuals, only homosexual acts. I could have a friend that I hang out with, play sports, drink beer, etc, but refuse to talk about their relationships in a positive light or participate in certain events, like a wedding or something.
Do you seriously mourn the death of Osama Bin Laden? Can you possibly regret Hitler’s death? The death of evil doers should be celebrated by all right minded folk, if for no other reason than after death they are no longer able to commit evil acts, their evil dies with them.
Not mourning the death of Bin Laden, but not celebrating that either. In that case, and the case of Hitler’s, there was no other option to end the evil that they caused. I would celebrate the end of that evil, and may feel relief that they cannot cause additional evil in any way, but I’m not taking joy specifically from their death.
That said, I understand that in a strange way I don’t really quite grasp, in some cases, justice doesn’t feel served until a evil person is dead. I have no doubt that if you suffered from Bin Laden directly/indirectly, you will not feel justice is served until he died. For the original case for this thread, perhaps the husband felt that way about this woman dying…but I still see that different then a celebration…it’s closer to relief.
Ok. Then do it.
Lottery,
This is a valid point even though it negates my statement
Can square with your statements. It just takes time. It takes 22.3 years. For example, AIDS was no joke in the early 1990’s. But by 2010 South Park made an episode that made fun of AIDS and as part of the dialog says this very thing, that time allows one to laugh at things that at the time seem serious.
In the end your version will prevail, you just have to wait a few years to make the joke.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
That would be the Marcus Aurelius who presided over the 4th great persecution of Christians?
One and the same. Christians refused to participate in Rome’s cult of the Emperor and other civic activities, activities which were backdoor taxes. Accordingly, Aurelius punished them and their cult.
Thousands of Christians tortured, burned at the stake or thrown to the lions.
Just like the hundreds of thousands of non-Christians killed in Rome’s civic games for nearly a thousand years.
His soul must be the darkest of shades.
Oddly enough, the works of Aurelius and the other Stoics figured prominently in early Christian thinking and writings. From St. Augustine through the Dark Ages, Middle Ages, Renaissance, Protestant schism, Reformation, into the modern era, and up through the current pope, Christian thinkers continue to find value in Aurelius’ thinking. Dante even placed Aurelius in that circle of Hell which held virtuous pagans.
I’ll take their opinion of the man over yours, especially when your opinion of him is colored by the fact that you’re trying to excuse away your glee in the tragic death of a mentally ill human being.
Bottom line; people should take responsibility for their own actions, that is part of taking the red pill. The notion that people are compelled to act by external forces is the bedrock of SJW’s cultural Marxism.
Most certainly. People should take responsibility for their actions. Our culture’s pathological avoidance of personal responsibility is one of it’s greatest flaws. Owning our mistakes is an important way to take personal responsibility.
Do you seriously mourn the death of Osama Bin Laden? Can you possibly regret Hitler’s death?
Again, we’re not talking about a profoundly evil person. Yes, there are human beings who never should have been conceived, but this woman was not one of them.
A feminist would say Hitler, Dahmer, Stalin, and your other “examples” were evil because they were men and you are seemingly celebrating this woman’s suicide because she’s female. There’s not a lot of difference between those two viewpoints.
The death of evil doers should be celebrated by all right minded folk, if for no other reason than after death they are no longer able to commit evil acts, their evil dies with them.
Yes, the death of evil should be celebrated. I’m just wondering how you determined this woman was evil to such an extent that her death should be an occasion for joy and laughter. Apart from arguing with her husband and being female, just what did she do to deserve such a horrific death?
Putting it another way, why do you still care enough to want to punish her? Aren’t you a man going his own way? Aren’t you working towards indifference? Aren’t you moving beyond the need to care?
In this thread, Faust reminded us to hate the sin and not the sinner. When I took exception with the opinions expressed over this woman’s death, I was taking exception with those opinions and not the men who held them. My comments were not an attack on you, Spacemonkey. Instead, they were an explanation why I would not share in your glee.
Nice chatting with you and see you ’round the forums.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
it does not mean that people are incapable of change.
Yes, people are capable of change, but only if they see change to be beneficial. Why would someone change when they believe their actions to be morally justified? Osama bin laden for example, or even the Nazis. Hard as it is to believe but true. Then there are the people who cannot change, the bats~~~ crazy like Jeffrey Dahmer and many others. So, given that there are those who commit evil acts who either cannot or will not change, do you see the death of these people to be a bad thing? And if so why?
One and the same. Christians refused to participate in Rome’s cult of the Emperor and other civic activities, activities which were backdoor taxes. Accordingly, Aurelius punished them and their cult.
Oh well, that’s alright then. It wasn’t genocide at all, it was punishment for tax evasion.
Just like the hundreds of thousands of non-Christians killed in Rome’s civic games for nearly a thousand years.
MA reduced the frequency of gladiatorial games as well as reducing their violence. At the same time he intensified the persecution of Christians in increasingly sadistic fashion to levels beyond any who had gone before. It’s an interesting paradox, on the one hand he was a learned humanitarian and on the other an enthusiastic persecutor of the Christians.
Oddly enough, the works of Aurelius and the other Stoics figured prominently in early Christian thinking and writings. From St. Augustine through the Dark Ages, Middle Ages, Renaissance, Protestant schism, Reformation, into the modern era, and up through the current pope, Christian thinkers continue to find value in Aurelius’ thinking. Dante even placed Aurelius in that circle of Hell which held virtuous pagans.
Argumentum ad populum, as your genocidal chum would say. Although I prefer consensus fallacy, just because a lot of people ascribe to a view does not make it correct. It is indeed strange that many influential Christian thinkers have chosen to overlook MA’s crimes against their own religion, but then again they believe in all manner of strange things like virgin birth so I don’t think they are the sort of people we should be turning to for answers.
you’re trying to excuse away your glee in the tragic death of a mentally ill human being.
When did I express glee at the death of a mentally ill human being?
you are seemingly celebrating this woman’s suicide because she’s female.
I’m not celebrating anyone’s suicide. Are you sure your not mixing me up with some body else?
Again, we’re not talking about a profoundly evil person. Yes, there are human beings who never should have been conceived, but this woman was not one of them.
Erm, yes and….
I’m just wondering how you determined this woman was evil to such an extent that her death should be an occasion for joy and laughter.
Are we talking about the idiot who died after deciding to go for a jog on a busy 3 lane highway? Yes, it is darkly humorous because it is so absurd. Sorry for having a sense of humour.
Putting it another way, why do you still care enough to want to punish her?
I do not care, no f~~~s given. There was an incident yesterday in North Wales where a police car deliberately ran over and killed a dog on a stretch of deserted 2 lane highway at 03:00 because they said it might have caused an accident. I care much more about that dog than I do about this silly woman.
But my argument has nothing to do with the woman, how evil she was or if she deserved to die. It is about your ( and others ) assertion;
“Sorry, I find it hard to “celebrate” another person’s death.”
I note you used a hedge which you envoked previously. So if it is mearly “hard” then it didn’t ought to be imposible. If you do not wish to “celebrate” the death’s of any of the “examples” (?) I gave, then whose death would you celebrate? Who would be so vile, so uterly repugnant and devoid of any saving human qualities, whose crimes against humanity are so heinous that you would whole heartedly welcome their demise? And if the answer to that question is “No body” then why? I have explained why I rejoice in the death of evil people, that it prevents them from commiting any more evil acts ( but I do have other reasons for holding that view) So why do you hold your view? Is it that you find human life so sacred that the death of any individual, no matter how base, is a cause for regret?My comments were not an attack on you, Spacemonkey. Instead, they were an explanation why I would not share in your glee.
And I am not attacking you, Old Bill. I’m just trying to understand your point of view. So forget Marcus Aurelius, forget the silly woman on the motorway, they are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Please explain to me, if you can be bothered, why do you find it difficult to celebrate a human death?
“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”
For example, if I was anti-homosexuality, it does not mean that I cannot mean that I must condemn all homosexuals, only homosexual acts. I could have a friend that I hang out with, play sports, drink beer, etc, but refuse to talk about their relationships in a positive light or participate in certain events, like a wedding or something.
It doesn’t mean that you can’t either. If you don’t want to be friends with someone because they are gay you are free to do so and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, you just don’t have the right to harass or assault the guy because of it much the same as that guy shouldn’t be harassing or assaulting you over your beliefs.
Please explain to me, if you can be bothered, why do you find it difficult to celebrate a human death?
It’s a choice like any other. Attempting to explain it fully would most likely require you and I sitting around enjoying a few beers. Attempting to explain it in writing would require an essay, but I’ll try to attempt explain in the limited scope here. I’ll attempt to explain, not for you because you don’t want to understand, but for the benefit of the other brothers here.
I have celebrated the death of human beings. I toasted the news from Pakistan regarding Bin Laden, I was happy when I heard that another prisoner had put down Dahmer like the rabid animal he was, I’ve nodded in satisfaction when the news of certain executions was released, and I’ve exchanged high-fives and fist bumps when a sniper was potted, a suicide bomber blown away, and an ambush team wiped out.
Those last examples are perhaps why I take the death of another human being more seriously than you.
You see, I’ve killed – personally killed – other human beings. I’ve personally directed howitzer and MLRS fire which killed at the very least dozens and most likely hundreds. I’ve seen another man over the open sights of my rifle, pulled the trigger, watched him fall, and then searched the corpse. I’ve knelt on a man only minutes dead and used his warm corpse to improve my firing position.
I’ve also seen more death – more real death – than you can possibly imagine. I walked Highway 80 near Mutla Ridge in early April of 1991 and the scent of Chanel No. 5 still makes me nauseous. I’ve seen the results of too many mortar, rocket, and IED attacks to name. I’ve seen the reality of death. Not Hollywood fantasies, not video game horses~~~, not YouTube “fails”, not Ogrish and other sites, but the real burnt pork, s~~~, and copper smell of dead human beings.
I know first hand that some people need to be killed, I know first hand that sometimes people need to be killed, and I know that on more than a theoretical or philosophical basis. But I also know that, if not guarded against, such exposure to killing can lead to a certain callousness of thought and subsequent loss of humanity.
Because I know death – personally know death – I will not celebrate an unnecessary death. I will not, for example, write “Stupid bitch got what she deserved.” Very few people “deserve” to be run over multiple times on a freeway no matter their actions and no matter if their poor choices put them in danger of that.
I find it difficult to celebrate a human death for much the same reasons I no longer hunt, but I don’t expect or need you to understand why.
Nice chatting and see you ’round the forums.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
This doesn’t fit too well, but:
Choice A) Woman goes nuts, resulting in husband’s death.
Choice B) Woman goes nuts, resulting in children’s death.
Choice C) Woman goes nuts, resulting in her own death.I’m tired. I’m tired of women going nuts becoming as commonplace as April showers.
I’m tired of it’s gotten to the point of, “Choice A and or B and no one bats an effing eye.”Multiple choice and I have to choose? I’d choose “C” every f~~~ing time because I would choose “C” every f~~~ing time if:
Choice A) Man goes nuts, resulting in wife’s death.
Choice B) Man goes nuts, resulting in children’s death.
Choice C) Man goes nuts, resulting in his own death."It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Multiple choice and I have to choose? I’d choose “C” every f~~~ing time…
I’d choose “C” every f~~~ing time too.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
I’ll attempt to explain, not for you because you don’t want to understand, but for the benefit of the other brothers here.
Well, thanks for the reply. I appreciate your effort, don’t appreciate the insult though.
I think I’ll take a rain check on that beer, I suspect beer and guns are a bad combination.
“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”
I’m not going to call a human beings death a happy ending.
I agree. Someone celebrating another person’s death is not good. It is bad karma.
Sorry, I find it hard to “celebrate” another person’s death. Especially if they were obviously suffering psychiatric problems.
How about Hitler? Starlin? Jeffrey Dahmer? Osama bin Laden? Idi Amin? Vlad the Impaler? Pol Pot? Heinrich Himmler?
All bat s~~~ crazy and all happily deceased.
Hitler saved Germany, it was the private bankers (through the government) who attacked Germany. Please do your home work before making that statement. In Germany there was a mass genocide of the Germans not the Jews.
Do you realize Bin Laden was a bogey man to give the government a reason to attack the middle east?
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Spacemonkey things like war is due to karma. When society’s morals have degraded there will be great conflict. In fact here in North America we will not only have economic collapse there will be mass killing by our own government, in fact it’s already have started, only a small portion of the population has figured it out.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
I just wonder what he could have possibly said to her that would have moved her to jump out of a moving vehicle.
I have a hard time getting women to do most anything difficult, getting her to jump out of a moving motorcar seems impossible.
Just an observation.
ONCE UPON A TIME there was a man who never found a wife and he lived happily ever after. The End.
@ Keith,
I used to have the same thoughts as what you’ve just expressed. [what he could have possibly said]Here’s an inexact parallel that worries me:
Guy divorces his wife, everyone declares,
“Why That Bastard, how could he have done something like that?”Laydee divorces her husband, everyone declares,
“Why That Bastard, what did he do that she divorced him?”When I see roughly the same concern for suicidal men as for suicidal women….
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
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