Something I came up with. Solid state flywheel

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

I got to thinking, would something like that be feasible? Never heard anyone else even talk about it so I thought I would talk about it here

A typical flywheel actually uses some type of large weight or in fact just basically spend something at a fast enough rate so it gives it Mass. The idea is however that when you need power from it you were a couple that with some type of electrical generator in order to take the physical mass in motion and then suck its kinetic energy and then transferring that to electronic energy.

technically we look at batteries being a solid-state device if we’re in green or that correct?

the interesting thing about flywheels is that technically they don’t actually have a service life.however they do need quite a bit of Maintenance in the form of either supercooling for the superconducting magnets or basically the bearings themselves and mechanical bearings usually take about 1% of the energy from a flywheel every day or so or something.

so what if you didn’t need to go and suspend a large mass but just a large mass by itself that was actually static so you can install it anywhere however ? basically you still only have a large mass and how are we supposed to get energy out of that if there’s no emotion in that Mass?

what I’m suggesting is instead of using a physical mask we use a mass or basically we’re not spinning something physical but spinning for example electrons or spending some kind of matter instead of something physical so its energy density could be much higher answer actually spinning molecules by themselves.

at one point or basically looking or something like fusion power or basically in the same construction as a particle accelerator like the Large Hadron Collider

here’s why I think this will work. If you understand that basically most atoms and so forth need a nuclear process to physically destabilize them and knock them apart, the same can go for Adams as they want to maintain equilibrium with each other if we tried to go ahead and knock them apart.

technically these two atoms or molecules basically would be circling around in a circular fashion with of course their own centrifugal Force keep play so you don’t actually need any fancy bearings or anything else like that or even really high magnetic force.

in fact imagine a huge flywheel weighing maybe a hundred tons spinning around at the speed of light. That kinda flywheel will be able to have a ton of energy and in fact if you decide your scale down to maybe even something that’s 100 pounds if you spent it up to the closest speed of light you’re talking about quite a bit of energy storage in a small space.

here’s why this is interesting. Technically you could have one power station that would be able to go and run at full output at all times.

you could have this flywheel system and cities or for example small suburbs that could easily cope with power demands on full. If you decided to go ahead and store that energy generally used times you be able to go ahead and have one of these small systems and just about every city or Township

since technically there are no moving Parts nothing would wear out.

now remember that Einstein’s equation of mass times energy equals the speed of light, will technically in this system the mass if the flywheel is not of the mass of the whole but a mass of individual molecules or atoms sitting at the speed of light.or close the speed of light. So Spinning up the molecules to that speed it possible as the mass itself is not coupled to each other. It would spin in its own space per say. So not as one mass. But you can harness the rotational kinetic mass or enrgy of those particles as a whole.

As Quantum entanglement may be used to create to particles in that spin, you could then spin them at balance per say on an axis. Just like you would with a physical flywheel.

The approach is similar into how a particle accelerator works. But smaller or closer to a Fusion reactor in its physical make up.

It has long been my theory that the energy that has been produced from these experimental fusion reactors has been from this source, and not from actual fusion of atoms. Just a very amount of Back EMF can make a motor more efficient. Similar to a concept of a Push Pull Amplifier, where the Back EMF of the subwoofer cone can be used to increase amplifier efficiency. There is no gain of energy, just a uptick in efficiency.

Spinning up the Solid state flywheel would be on par with a traditional flywheel or in my estimation slightly bellow that by about give or take 5% bellow that of a standard industrial style flywheel currently on the market. However the amount of energy that can be stored would be MASSIVE! It also would not have the drawbacks of physical mass of a regular flywheel. It could be used in moving cars for example. (doubtful, but possible)

Here is an explanation of how a Particle accelerator works.

A bit more about the Particle accelerator.

Now I think the key to this would be resonance. Just as in a compression horn driver, the small amount of input from a diaphragm is them amplified by the wave guide of the horn, the particles as they expand to outwards could be then refocused via resonance, and then used to keep the particles in a spinning motion on an axis.

Now there is a heat problem of course. However, that can be used to my advantage. If can use the seebeck effect, I could focus that heat generated by the reverse polarity of the spin in wards on itself so the heat would then be used to further accelerate the speed of the particles in motion. The outside wall of the unit would then see a cooling effect instead of a heating effect. So basic materials can be used. Even composite or ceramic or carbon thermoplastics if need be safely without experiencing heat sheer from thermal shock.

the other interesting design feature that I thought of was that the internals of the device wouldn’t actually be a vacuum either interesting. One of the wonderful things either with liquid helium or using another kind of liquid that would in theory provide a cushioning layer for the particles would be that where would no longer be a problem for the device either.

energy extraction from the device will be in one of three ways. The first one being light extraction. it is my theory that this device would be a perfect laser pump if you ask me..

it would also produce a lot of radio waves so those could either be harnessed electromagnetically or you focus just like in a microwave with this magnetron and therefore that energy can be used in either heating up water instantly flashing the steam or some other use.

the Third Way would be the simplest through Electro mechanical device. Instead of actually using an impeller for the pump the device itself would actually be able to move water or some other kind of median through it without actually using a physical and Peller. The physical impeller portion could actually be placed on the outside of the machine and therefore producing power just as you would electromechanical e through a generator hooked up to some kind of turbine going through the fluid. Also at these liquid speeds? Its possible use small educators to take s small high speed stream of liquid to a larger mass.

http://www.derbyshiremachine.com/perijet.html

It looks like this on the inside

The Navy version of this looks like this. A great explanation of that is here:
https://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675069051_Peri-Jet-eductor_removing-water_lowered-into-flooded-area_working-of-eductor

So. Does anyone want to help me with me with particle physics? I’m the first one to think about it. Please be my guest and go do a search.

Anyone wanting to use the idea, please give me credit.
Thanks.
🙂

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[EGParticipant 1866]

Shh! Talk to a patent lawyer before you go posting all your ideas on a public forum like this! 😉

[bladeParticipant]

Tower built a flux capacitor for his time machine .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[MonkParticipant 17004]

EG wrote:

Shh! Talk to a patent lawyer before you go posting all your ideas on a public forum like this!

And stay out of tall buildings.

No joke.

[FrankOneParticipant 1420]

Eductors are fascinating — I have used them in the chemical process industries for years to pull gas samples to gas analyzers, and with steam as motive fluid for both single and multi-stage vacuum systems. I have also used them for pneumatic conveying of powders. It’s basically just a venturi. So you convert velocity to pressure. I’ve actually never seen the multi-jet version ‘Derbyshire’ you showed; only the single jet.

So what if you didn’t need to go and suspend (I think you meant spin as in flywheel) a large mass but just a large mass by itself that was actually static so you can install it anywhere however ? basically you still only have a large mass and how are we supposed to get energy out of that if there’s no emotion in that Mass?

I’d say the most common non-battery storage mechanism proposed is hydraulic; you are essentially elevating a large mass; you pump water into a tank or reservoir, then when you want the energy back, the water turns a turbine attached to a generator — like a hydroelectric plant behind a dam. The main issues are pumping efficiency and turbine efficiency, so that is where you incur large losses–efficiencies are about 75%. And of course it isn’t portable.

It’s very expensive to confine a proton beam in, say, an accelerator — the electromagnets are a continuous energy drain.

The physics of subatomic particles is very different than that of macro particles. They can only attain discrete energy levels, for instance.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

FrankOne wrote:

It’s very expensive to confine a proton beam in, say, an accelerator — the electromagnets are a continuous energy drain.

That’s what the Seebeck affect takes place of. Energy Pumping. In fact, the the reason why I thought of the idea was that as it stands now? There really is not a way to store that much joules in a battery without it degrading over time.

The only technology that came close was Molten salt electrolyte being in a ceramic package. The Zebra was the only one to get close to being a reality as was being developed by Ford. That Molten Salt battery does make a good energy density storage device for on demand use that could essentially last maybe 20 years if the right electrodes such as Carbon Nanotubes are used. However? Its Longevity would be in Question.

With all other battery storage technologies where you could extort Massive amounts of power on megawatt levels, all of them would degrade over a very short period of time.

In fact the main reason why reactor cores are recycled over the 20 year lifespan has to deal with material breakdown. They become fragile over time. Just as Semiconductors break down over time, so do Fission power plants.

Things like a TEG or seebeck effect generator only last as long as the Semiconductores themselves. True, with lower power levels, you can get much more life out of them over time. I was thinking about a 1000 year lifespan of the unit itself.

That’s why I was thinking that processes emitting laser light as the primary power output source. Doing that would mean that the Laser using Rubies or Germanium diodes would in fact keep the unit as a on demand capacitor would work for a very long term. It would also make it immune to such things as Gravitational fields. (partly it depends on the wavelength of light used actually! )

FrankOne wrote:

It’s very expensive to confine a proton beam in, say, an accelerator — the electromagnets are a continuous energy drain.

The physics of subatomic particles is very different than that of macro particles. They can only attain discrete energy levels, for instance.

This is very true! That’s what I have not worked out yet. How can I get a Pair of particles to spin being coupled to each other? This is what got me. See, we spin particles today via Electromagnetic means. Basically a fancy CRT tube in a circle.. We are not spinning them in a sphere. Or in a mass.

Once you reach that? You don’t need to add that much power to keep it spinning at that speed. However? what is strange to me is that at that speed, you get the emission of photons for some reason. I don’t have the math in front of me to calculate how or why it would do this as the speed of the particles in question do this? but it seems to be an extra by product of the spinning mass.

See, when I look into how String theory relates to how and why particles vibrate? I think its a by product of the emissions at the frequency of the charged particles. What puzzles me is that why? See, the frequency of the particles have not changed. Just their energy in mass.

I know this is hard to explain, but of course, I never bothered to get my Physics Doctorate. 🙂 But lets say that if the particles follow their natural to collect together (say has a heavy gas does on the bottom of tanks vs Lighter ones) as some are heavier then the surrounding helium, they should be able to spin just like a ball would if you blow air at it.

This is the best way to explain this sorry this is crude, but it works to explain it.

See the light emissions would be alone be enough to keep it centered. The Magnet could in theory just be a Permanent magnet. The coils would only be there to spin the mass of particles.

The amazing part is? Particles are chained to each other. So if you could spin their anti particle around it or negative charged via positively charged from each other? Then you don’t have to worry about physical containment of the mass.

Now I understand that the earth is always in motion. So that may be a problem. So I have to do some maths on that. But as everything on earth is still bound to our gravitational forces? An earth stationary generator would not need that much power to keep the solid state flywheel spun up.

I also figured out that you could just use a Laser pump in order to do the spin up of the mass. How? Well, there is an effect of Dark radiation. Again a VERY crude example:

If the pulses of the laser are timed? Then you can do this to theoretically close to the speed of light. Again, there would be very little friction. Much less then that of any Bearing or physical flywheel.

Semantics really. But Again, the idea is sound. It’s not that hard to build either. Just have to find the right balance of the device.

Again, its only real claim to fame is being a Very VERY high energy storage capacitor device. It’s not battery or energy making machine. But it sure is a great way to pump lasers. And one hell of a great way to make light. Massive amounts of it in fact. And that’s almost a free by product. THough I am not sure what the laws of energy conservation say about that. Photonic emissions seem kind of spooky to me. I have not read any scientific papers that outline how they work with the law of energy conservation as many processes give out light that is not accounted for in a process.

As far as the Fluid? Its the only real way to couple the device to a standard generator. Instead of using turbines? I was thinking about using what Yamaha did and Mitsubishi in their seawater drive systems.

This video should start out at 3:44, if not go there:

It discuses the operation of the MHD.

Japan made one ship that did this. But it was used for propulsion. I’m just going to do the reverse of that! 🙂

This site here (Sorry about the indian dude LOL) goes over the power of generation from MHD.
https://www.skewsme.com/mhd.html

There is also an article on this from this source:

Israeli Scientist Unveils Generator with No Moving Parts Which Can Convert Heat to Electricity

Nasa has a whole document on this. I may go into a Library and see if I can request this paper.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=19960000249

This PDF goes into the actual design from Mitsubishi.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19960000249.pdf

The Authors are all japanese.

Sasakawa, Yohei(Ship and Ocean Foundation, Kobe, Japan)
Takezawa, Setsuo(Ship and Ocean Foundation, Kobe, Japan)
Sugawara, Yoshinori(Ship and Ocean Foundation, Kobe, Japan)
Kyotani, Yoshihiro(Ship and Ocean Foundation, Kobe, Japan)

What they ran into was that at the time, they only super conductors available required Liquid helium. That is where the Seebeck effect would be taken into account. It would be PERFECT for the arctic if you ask me as the device would have a ready stream of not only very cold air, but could use the very cold seawater to sustain the reaction for power generation.

In practice, in power generation, the size of the item does not matter thus weight. But it would work in small for factors if Liquid helium was used in say a space of a laser gun or ionic weapon. I don’t see that being the primary application, but its a possibility.

This stuff has been around since the 70’s if I am to be honest. I just don’t think anyone bothered with the flywheel concept.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingless_Electromagnetic_Air_Vehicle

So there is nothing funny going on here. All the items are well understood thanks to many that have proved that what is really going on here is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrohydrodynamics
Or electrohydrodynamics in principal. Pardon the pun, I’m just putting a new “spin ” on things 🙂

Light just like other things can be used as a working fluid. Just as in the case of a Ion drive. Something that is well understood.

Lots of work to be done on before it ever becomes a reality. And in all honesty? I don’t see this device being worked on or produced until weapons that need the rage of a few Millions miles or Asteroid defense systems.

The fact that you have to use Superconductors kind of limits its practical use. Eugene Podkletnov has done a TON of research on superconductors and even gravity devices. Even he agrees that most of what can be done will only work on particles. Not physical things like objects with mass. However, Particles are another matter, and the research does play out to leading to a working model in a lab at least.

I just don’t see it being needed until energy requirements hit on the level of needing something like powering an entire city for day being needed to be used in a matter of seconds.

A laser Boring machine might be a working model. But I don’t see any kind of drilling platform needing that sort of power source in the near future. But it would make the building of tunnels almost instant through rock. The problem would what if you ran into gas or radioactive items. That would be BAD Mkay!

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[FrankOneParticipant 1420]

I kept getting ‘server error’ when I responded, meant to include this in my first post:

It has long been my theory that the energy that has been produced from these experimental fusion reactors has been from this source, and not from actual fusion of atoms. Just a very amount of Back EMF can make a motor more efficient. Similar to a concept of a Push Pull Amplifier, where the Back EMF of the subwoofer cone can be used to increase amplifier efficiency. There is no gain of energy, just a uptick in efficiency.

Remember all the controversy about ‘cold fusion’ in the electromagnetic experiments of Pons and Fleischmann in the last 1980’s? I remember reading about the ‘breakthrough’ in Science News when I was in High School. The way to tell fusion has occurred is Helium production and gamma radiation. And ‘hot’ fusion experiments can do that reproducibly. Other experiments can’t. An enormous amount of government research has been conducted on magnetic inertial confinement, typically tokamak or derivative designs, and other schemes to make fusion practicable. $3.5 billion just to build the failed national ignition facility. The way to tell whether fusion has occurred, is not just temperature rise, but He and gamma production. The helium and other isotopes, are detected down to extremely low levels using a mass spec (I’ve used these before industrially, for leak detection too). So that is how scientists have definitively confirmed ‘hot’ fusion is actually taking place, versus something else such as adsorption or chemical reaction, which could not produce He. We know what the elemental ratios of fusion byproducts should be. A conventional chemical reaction of deuterium and/or tritium, won’t produce this helium; only fusion of nuclei can do so. Funding dried up for the electrochemical experiments and interest waned; problems with Platinum electrode purity may have contributed to some of the contradictory results, but the effect, even if real, was very small based on the calorimetric measurements.

Industrially, the Seebeck effect is most widely used for temperature measurement (Type J & K thermocouples), of which I am very familiar. But of course, if you connect thermocouples in series, you make a ‘thermopile’. Its output voltage, of course, will vary with the temperature difference between hot and cold surfaces. This is also how a radioisotope thermal generator works — for space probes — it can produce power for 1,000 years with sufficiently long half-life isotopes such as Americium — even in the cryogenic cold of space in which an electrochemical cell would be useless — and with no moving parts. The Soviet Union used to use these in unmanned lighthouses in remote areas! Talk about making it easy to steal radioactive materials to contaminate food/water/etc! You also see RTG’s used industrially, for wireless devices. Say I want a temperature or pressure transmitter and have a steam pipe nearby. I can power the wireless transmitter EASILY by clamping a thermopile to even a low pressure steam line that is ~300 deg F skin temperature. Rosemount and others make such piles. But, you are right, eventually thermocouples burn out — have seen this industrially many times — and that is just single elements, not a pile of many in series. Voayager 1’s science instruments (RTG powered) will finally lose power in about 2025 — nearly 50 years after its 1977 launch.

MHD links were interesting — I wasn’t familiar with this technology. Though, working in the chemical sector, I have seen the reverse — measuring flow of water using a magnetic flowmeter or ‘magmeter’ — where you measure the fluid flow rate, by measuring the voltage induced in a conductive aqueous fluid flowing through a magnetic field. I have used several for caustic, water, and various electrolytes over the years — no moving parts so less prone to pluggage than turbine meters — and much less expensive than a Coriolis flowmeter.

Most scientific papers are now downloaded FREE using sci-hub. You just need the DOI (document identifier). Try pasting this URL https://doi.org/10.1017/S0022112088000643 into sci-hub https://sci-hub.tw/ — even in the US it’s commonplace — small industrial users like me don’t have unlimited funds for SciFinder and Chem Abstracts or other services. This is used extensively outside the developed world, but also within it, due to the high cost of accessing papers. Note you must paste an EXACT DOI document identifier into sci-hub; it isn’t a search-engine like Google, you find the DOI from an abstract on a ‘free’ site trying to get you to buy it — then download the full text on sci-hub for free. The whole shebang operates on donations only. Sci-hub was founded by the pirate queen Alexandra Elbakyan nearly a decade ago. With around 200,000 articles read a day, it is probably costing Reed-Elsevier alone millions of dollars a day in lost fees. A very interesting story in and of itself.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

FRANK! I LOVE YOU MAN!

Thank you for the Info on the Docs. I forgot about her. She was from the Arron Swartz days. Man. I miss that guy.

I will look up that info bro. Again THANK YOU FRANK!

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[FrankOneParticipant 1420]

iMickey: Glad the link was helpful. Another one I’ve been using lately for sci/tech books and journal articles, is http://93.174.95.27 — it is called Library Genesis if you haven’t tried it. Please post any that you recommend.

I agree about Aaron Schwartz. Schwartz was a pioneer for open access to journal articles. It’s tragic how he hung himself back in 2011; on the table was a 6-month low security prison sentence plea bargain (and he would never have paid the $1 MM fine, can’t squeeze blood out of a turnip).

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