Society's priorities make single men disposable.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

So, this is a nasty situation I am facing.  I am facing long-term unemployment.  With my age, it leads to what is called ageism, and my advanced degree also to issues with low-end jobs.  There is a snowball that happens, I am trying to snap out. With all this in mind, I have to go my own way and fend for myself, because as a single man, I am seen as disposable.  The assumption is this: You are healthy, you don’t have kids and a wife you need to take care of, you ought to find work.  The wife and children need to be taken care of.  The single men?  Well, fend for yourself, because you can do it.  There is no reason why you can’t.  So, in short, fend for yourself or perish.

I don’t want a handout either.  I want a job.  I want to work.  I want to find something.  But go low level pay and so on, and you get looked at funny.  And after getting a Masters in Information Systems, and getting downsized from IBM, it has been ever decreasing opportunities at helpdesk, with more and more low pay, and no certifications anywhere for myself, and just being out of it.  It snowb~~~~.  And the assumption is that it should work out.  You get crap like this (the woman in the article got some things wrong on the payments and so on):

http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2010/03/this-is-why-welfare-sucks/

Women and children first.  Fend for yourself, or forget it.  I say, go MGTOW.  And feel free to read me the riot act here.  You can.  I am not sure what can make a difference here. I did land two helpdesk phone support positions, in climates where the workers were disposable.  The last assignment ending December of last year, the company in question cleaned out of about everyone, kept changing the rules, to get people out, and flushed it.  After making a cut from a desk of 120 people down to a final 10 who manned the phones for a client over the summer, they began to change the rules, and got rid of everyone (turning the job into a top spot for other departments that worked on crappy customer retention).  And that was like a 50+ mile a day route trip commute, complete with bridge tolls, and hours all over the map where I would one day leave at 9 pm and have to be there at 6am the next day.

The world doesn’t care at all.  You need to look after yourself. No one else will help.  Oh, the system doesn’t want you to die, and will warehouse you, but nothing else.  They want you to take out student loans to advance.  Mine went from $45K paid down to $32K before it now went up to over $70K, due to assignments coming and going and so on.

Remember, women and children first.  Single men?  Fend for yourselves!

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

It was the same way when I went through that during the 1980s.

 

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Completely concur with you. This (money issues) and NOONE including family members telling you to “man up”, give a f~~~. Because afterall your a MAN. This is ONE of the issues that lead me to post about depression.

YOU. ARE. NOT. ALONE.

Dealing with it too, and it sucks.

Resident cynic.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anyone reading my posts and watching my videos, will see I don’t go into the “brother” way with MGTOW, because while it would be AWESOME to have MGTOW as a real brotherhood of mutual support and so on, it isn’t there.  And I don’t think it can get that way.  Part of why I do the videos is to spare other men what I have gone through, with my time I have, in hopes it makes a difference.

Anyhow, I press on here.  I need to get my video on Cypher Moments done.  It is currently processing on YouTube, so I step away again.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

First off … and bare with me on this ….

You paid in the welfare system with your taxs etc. yes?

It’s there as a means to help get you over a hump.

Take it … there is no dishonour in asking for help. YOU PAID IN.

It would be totally different if your plan was to live life on it.

Many many people in your situation (and in the past mine) are now going self employed. Starting their own ‘micros’.

I have an older friend that couldn’t find full time work in IT so he started his micro consultancy and support business.

He has 13 different companies that he services. One day here … another there etc.

He says the great thing is if he loses one job … he still has the others.

He also got some government support to set up.

I don’t know where you are but sometimes …. with some digging … you may find a little nugget that may just be the start of something.

I have three jobs … mostly because of my age … some past illness etc. But it works and I think is more diverse and challenging.

Don’t get down on this coz that’s a bitch to climb out from. Rather get p~~~ed off and show the bastards.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I agree with ILiveAgain. Good luck and my best wishes.

BTW, someone wrote a book about it:
Enjoy the Decline: Accepting and Living with the Death of the United States
by Aaron Clarey
http://www.amazon.com/Enjoy-Decline-Accepting-Living-United/dp/1480284769/

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[experiencedParticipant]

ILive Again wrote,”Don’t get down on this coz that’s a bitch to climb out from. Rather get p~~~ed off and show the bastards.”

Agreed 100%

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

NY state had me in a program where I was supposed to get a business going.  I did have some ideas on what to do, but no funds to do it at all.  I budgeted like 20K to get an app developed (I am years removed from programming, and not driven to actually code), which is on a very low end, but nothing happened.  One person who said he would code for me a demo off a product he had similar, backs out.  He returns a few weeks later and then writes back, “How about we make it a multiplayer game app?”.  I told him the idea was that it was to be a touch screen game like Fruit Ninja, and he said he didn’t want to do any touch screen games.

I am seeing, as a single man (white), I get the same crap about everyone else does in the economy, but far less break support and opportunities offered by groups to advance, because the presumption is I have all society’s breaks.

I am still up for the business idea, if I can figure out what.

If you want to know why I have issues with tradcons, it is beyond just their enshrinement of marriage being an issue.  They have a whole lot of other values and perceptions of the world, which end up not working today they impose and shame upon others.

They argue, like Jeb Bush, to use the tactics of shaming to get compliance for their ideals to get compliance and fix society:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jeb-bush-explains-1995-book-shaming-single-mothers-article-1.2254795

You see with Tracey in the article about me she posted, where again it is shaming, and saying “What a loser” not understanding squat about things.

They do the same with MGTOW, shaming them into “manning up and getting married” (see William Bennett go there a few years ago): The Founding Fathers believed, and the evidence still shows, that industriousness, marriage and religion are a very important basis for male empowerment and achievement. We may need to say to a number of our twenty-something men, “Get off the video games five hours a day, get yourself together, get a challenging job and get married.” It’s time for men to man up.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/04/opinion/bennett-men-in-trouble/<b>http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/04/opinion/bennett-men-in-trouble/</b&gt;

And it goes on, and on, and on.  NONE of these views and shame are of help to me in any way.  There is no group out there that, using such shame, will step in to clean up any mess for men who fall short, or anyone.

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

This is scary s~~~. I’m almost 57. I work as a nursing assistant in a hospital. I have to have an angioplasty, and may end up on dialysis short term because I just found out my kidneys are at 30% due to longtime hypertension and diabetes. Not sure what I would do if I lost my job. I know they want to build a new hospital and will most likely move our services there and force all of us to re apply at the new hospital for our old jobs. Hang in there, and keep us posted because what you are facing is something that more than a few of us are facing or could soon be facing.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

qeeqo wrote:

This is scary s~~~. I’m almost 57. I work as a nursing assistant in a hospital. I have to have an angioplasty, and may end up on dialysis short term because I just found out my kidneys are at 30% due to longtime hypertension and diabetes. Not sure what I would do if I lost my job. I know they want to build a new hospital and will most likely move our services there and force all of us to re apply at the new hospital for our old jobs. Hang in there, and keep us posted because what you are facing is something that more than a few of us are facing or could soon be facing.

A problem I have is my Masters is in the IT industry, complete with all the debt, and unless you have certifications, etc… it is “if you are out of a position over 6 months, we can’t place you”.  That was said by a recruiter.  It is a different animal.  It happens.  I have, for years, tried to go the collectivist route, trying to get people organized, involved with moments and so on.  And it amounted to squat.  If you see a radical autonomy in how I am now doing MGTOW, that is a big reason why.  I am trying to make my own way, and trying to do what I can on a personal level, with people I can personally trust and get better at it.  It is from this, you get my perspective on MGTOW.  I hope I can share some wisdom and spare others of this.  It happens.  The article you saw was myself trying to go a TFL route and notify the world of my situation with a journalist, thinking people would give a flying iota.  And the answer is, “NO!”. Everyone is too busy trying to make their own way to spare anything.  They just won’t.  I did have a follow up story that made the local paper of myself finding work again.  This job was horrible, and another disposable job, and it lasted like 6 months or so.

Anyhow, I am looking to only share in public spaces what may be of value for others.  I am not going to whine about my state or beg for help. I don’t look to share my personal life with others, unless it benefits them to know, or they can help me.  I think airing in public spaces by itself is a waste of time.  I roll my eyes at the BS people do on their wall on Facebook, for example.  I tell you, society is looking to replace real relationships with ones of voyeurs and exhibitionists.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 11]

Man, I know exactly what you’re going through as I went through it a few years ago. IT is brutal, and there is blatant age discrimination. I got fired from a fat paying corporate IT job a number of years ago due to being the lucky guy who was redundant when your company gets acquired. I was told by people that it was OK to can me as I am a bachelor with no kids. Can we say f~~~ing insulting?

The fixed costs of being single are nearly identical versus one having a family. Single men have to make good money as the elites have gamed the system so badly that two income households are needed.

I started IT consulting for small businesses. I began to network heavily in places where wealthy business owners hung out and got to know them. When you meet people face to face and your reputation gets established, certifications are somehow no longer a requirement. Keep a positive mental attitude and think out of the box as these times require that.

Self-employed is MGHOW for me too. Megacorps and women have an amazing number of things in common.

Get out and meet business owners directly no matter which route you choose. The owner can make things happen for you. I just helped a niece get something very critical that she needs for a career change of hers that she failed to get for two months of cold calling gatekeepers on her own through one of my networking contacts. This anti-feminist woman gets s~~~ done on her on too so it’s not just men having issues. I had to give him an hour of IT time to open a big door for her. I’d do the same thing for my feminist nieces too though I would not enjoy it as much.

[Solid SnakeParticipant 255]

Not only for the older guys amongst us but us younger ones in our 20s have a hard f~~~ing time getting in the door too, we generally have the qualifications, fresh out of school but no experience because every c~~~ and his dog wants 3-5 years experience.

There are no entry level positions because no business wants to train people, then they complain they can’t fill positions and import workers from overseas to knock down wages and employment conditions because they’ll bring over some f~~~ from a 3rd world country with fake qualifications, give them 2/10ths of f~~~ all and end up getting burned.

I got burnt by this, so I’m going back into my trade, about to open my own workshop, f~~~ school and the system I’ll do it MY WAY.

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Hey guys, for all of you struggling with the job scene, and would like to make money out of the confines of the system, take a look at this: http://www.blackhatworld.com/ , mainly, the making money section.

It’s got ideas for money production, everything  from app creation, to coding, to affiliate marketing.

I’m going through the same things, and am trying to get off the ground.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

One aspect of a broader perspective on MGTOW, is that this day and age, it is important to realize there aren’t any set paths to follow at all.  You can just be blindly compliant, and they expect you to own your career.  You better know who you are, where you are heading, and why you go there, and the employer better sense that this fits what they are doing.  This is on the rare professional side.  On the lower levels, they may be up for bodies, but they still look for this.

I know a phone interview with Microsoft I had as number of years ago went south, because I didn’t say that Microsoft was my ONLY choice for an employer.  I tried to play it cool but didn’t worship the ground they work on.

Somewhere in this, I wish that there was a return of guilds.  Short of that, you need to go your own way and make it work.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Here are some articles on the disposable state of being single:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/06/singled-out-are-america-s-unmarried-discriminated-against.html

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MenAreTheExpendableGender

And you have the RooshV’s wanting to push a power structure for men to fit into society:

http://www.rooshv.com/stop-saying-men-are-disposable

 

Thinking a bit more on this, it isn’t just the aspect of MGTOW where you are male that will cause you trouble with power structures, but the fact you are single (not married or more).  I think this is a point worth thinking about.  The challenges go deeper than you think.  Even if you beat gynocentrism, you still face the fact you don’t have a partner that causes stigma, corporate culture to cut you less breaks and a hoard of other things.   You REALLY go your own way, then groups and organizations, then you don’t appear to be loyal to them or enslaved to them, so they can’t push you around.  You are seen as a non-conformist.  With the Internet, you do have a shot to make it, but it isn’t going to be by social norms, or looking like you fit it.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I am just hoping a business analyst position can come through with the state of NY so I get stability.  Beyond that, I want to monetize who I am way better than I am.  I do game design stuff, did online community management, started a non-profit and more.  I am up for things.  I would be up for sending anyone my resume, if you want to give input.  Input here would be into what openings you see, not ideas on what to do with my resume.

My email address (I will trust you to figure it out) is: richardhutnik (at symbol thing, which is this @ ya know)? optonline (then you have a dot or period, which it this thing: .) net

I ended up masking the email in there, so spam harvesters can’t pick it up.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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