Social Responsibility

[MantelarParticipant 77]

Okay, so the title of this is inflammatory.  I’d like people to read it.  My question is this.  Young men receive no useful indoctrination in the current educational system, to protect themselves from women, nor do they receive useful instruction on the institution of marriage or how to make rational decisions regarding it.

From a demographic standpoint, the majority of MGTOW will not rear children – or at least they will not in 10-15 years.  But this also means that the children that are born, are going to be largely programmed by the third-wave feminist establishment, and their parents.  Do we have a responsibility to reach out?  I say this because especially, its seems that so many MGTOW only become that way after an awakening experienced after some major trauma or harm.  Is that trauma or harm really necessary?  For some, maybe not.

I know this is a loaded line of inquiry, but it seems like a question worth asking.  Why should any young man be exposed to half of his wealth being plundered?  Why should any young man abandon his dreams to protect a woman and family that ultimately s~~~ all over him?  Why should any young man have to experience his children being taken from him?

Is this movement more than just disconnecting?  Or is it about balancing the scales in the face of an evolving, increasingly technological social order? Not meant to be a binary proposition.  Tons of grey area between the two questions.  That being said, are there concrete objectives we should pursue?  A political manifesto of sorts?

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

It’s hard to pin a manifesto to a large group of men that believe that doing what they think is best for them is the right thing to do.  An orderly document of values and concerns implies that there is a consensus.  I believe that trying to achieve a consensus that we have a social responsibility would be a near impossibility.  What is more, even if we achieved a consensus that we have community responsibilities, I think that trying outline what those are is impossible.

The only implied responsibility that you have is the one that you think you have.

Community outreach?  Education?  Where is this going to happen?  In schools, churches, shopping malls?  The internet is the last place where you can speak your mind without fear of defamation or retribution because of its anonymity.  If we were legally required to post basic identifying information then I don’t think most of us would be here at mgtow.com.  Given that human resource departments are Googling prospective employees, how employable do you think a man would be if a gynocentrist discovered he was a member of mgtow.com?

If you want to help, have a MGTOW t-shirt on and be prepared to answer questions and be ridiculed.

I’m not trying to curb your altruism.  I have three sons myself.  But the reality is that no one is going to educate them except myself.  Even then, those that have kids know that a father looses legitimacy as a mentor and wise person when a kid starts the 8th grade.

There are some things that people have to find out for themselves.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[experiencedParticipant]

@mantelar said, “I know this is a loaded line of inquiry, but it seems like a question worth asking.  Why should any young man be exposed to half of his wealth being plundered?  Why should any young man abandon his dreams to protect a woman and family that ultimately s~~~ all over him?  Why should any young man have to experience his children being taken from him?”

It is a question worth asking, please study this site and tell us what you think.

As far as the last three questions in a row, please do by all means ask females this and let us know the answer to the problem that they had the biggest share creating. GO to the source. Go to the horses’ mouths so to speak, and let us know the solution.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Anonymous 1]

Mantelar wrote:

Why should any young man be exposed to half of his wealth being plundered?

You might want ask that to women, they are the ones doing  the plundering

Mantelar wrote:

Why should any young man abandon his dreams to protect a woman and family that ultimately s~~~ all over him?

Well, you answered your question already, didn’t you?

Why should any young man abandon his dream to protect a woman and family?

Because that woman and family will ultimately s~~~ all over him.

Mantelar wrote:

Why should any young man have to experience his children being taken from him?

Because, according to feminist Harriet Harman for example, “it cannot be assumed that men are bound to be an asset to family life, or that the presence of fathers in families is necessarily a means to social harmony and cohesion.”

On other words: Men are not required to a family to work, according to women.

So why would any men would want to start a family in the FIRST PLACE? That would be a better question.

Mantelar wrote:

Is this movement more than just disconnecting? Or is it about balancing the scales in the face of an evolving, increasingly technological social order?

I see Mgtow as half movement, half phenomena. Many of us (if not all) didn’t become mgtow because we were convinced by other Mgtow. We did it because we were convinced by WOMEN that we were not wanted or needed by them. So we left the building. We debate among each other and we do have some common ground between us, but other then rejection of Gynocentrism, it is pretty much each men to its own devices. We share knowledge and stories, but your life is YOURS. For better or worse. So I don’t see Mgtow as a full MOVEMENT. It has some elements of it, but it is also men’s self-preservation kicking in.

Mantelar wrote:

That being said, are there concrete objectives we should pursue? A political manifesto of sorts?

I don’t think Mgtow should be political. That would give our enemies a target to destroy. Besides, any political party can (and it is) gynocentric. Their methods differ, but the end result is the sacrifice of men and the preservation of women. As for concrete objectives we should pursue, sure! Live well and be happy… and to do that STAY AWAY FROM WOMEN…  🙂

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t think Mgtow should be political. That would give our enemies a target to destroy.

Very Astute Observation.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I will ‘educate’ a guy I think is at a point where he just needs a slight push. He’s already there but hasn’t put a name to his feelings.

The great thing about mgtow? … it’s like trying to hurd cats 😅

And that’s it beauty. Aim a gun at it and it will wonder off over there. Re target and … off it wonders again.

You can’t kill an idea. It just keeps growing. We won’t win any fight with the system but we can educate in the bars, football fields, divorce courts, motorcycle shops, burger bars ….. ANYWHERE.

We are legion, we are many.

[RoyDalParticipant]

If I had kids, I would find a way to home school them. Public education and the entertainment industry are nothing but propaganda mills, as you know. Your publicly educated kids are semi-illiterates who believe indiscriminately what TV comedians tell them about the world.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

I always thought that there should be a requirement that public school have an entire year of ‘Life Skills’.

This class would teach kids how to at least read the directions on a box of Hamburger Helper to changing the oil on your car and why you should never buy a mobile home.

I am pretty involved with my boys after school activities.  Being a part-time PTA poppa is time consuming and interacting with thirty something divorcees that are looking at the wall can be tiresome.  What I have personally observed is that there isn’t an emphasis of real life, day-to-day skills.  Currently, my ten year old son is being indoctrinated in to cooking.  I personally supervise his cooking simple meals (lunches) on the weekends.  By cook, I actually require that he prepare something that requires the stove top or the oven.  None of my boys liked this at first but I want to raise them to understand that any need for a woman, either real or implied, is limited to the fulfillment of a physical (sex) or an emotional need, and that you need to be sure that any of those needs require a woman to fulfill them.  Other than that, woman are superfluous.  My 15 year old son has developed an interest in making soups and is actually good at it.  He developed this skill out of necessity because I require that he prepare dinner for our household at least twice a week.

Thanks to modern feminism, lessons include “Don’t stick your d**k in crazy”, “If your gonna tap it, wrap it”.

I have to thank his ex girlfriend to being receptive to things I am trying to teach him.  He was seeing a girl that looked like a younger sister to Gisele Bundchen.  She would slap him while he was in school when she was in the mood.  And would ask me what I thought.  To which my reply was usually, if you enjoy being abused then she sounds like the perfect girl for you.

This is my education and outreach project.  I have at least eight more years to go before I graduate the last one.  What color is the tassel for a graduate in “How to be a man and stand on your own and like what you see in the mirror despite what society and the people that claim to love you say”?

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[MantelarParticipant 77]

Thanks for the thoughts so far.  I’m still reading the site and watching the videos.  Happy to say, it was a younger man at work that actually pointed me in this direction, and trusted me enough not to ridicule him for it.  I was basically lecturing him about not letting a girl get her hooks in him, that marriage was a racket, and if I could do it over again, I would avoid it.  Not in my case because I hate my wife…I just got wore down, and thought it was ‘time’ because I was tired of the game.  Not a good decision…semi-rational, I suppose, given the information I had available at the time.  But given the intellectual construct presented here…its clear no one ever put anything but a blue pill in front of me before, and I lacked the imagination or maybe bravery to act on my instincts and just let well enough alone.

I find myself agreeing its best that we remain anonymous.  The movement speaks the truth.  Its ridiculously easy to understand.

The economics of it all interests me.  Divorce, child support, and alimony are the biggest income redistribution schemes at work in this country.  The great part about them though, is you actually have the option not to participate, unlike taxes.  I hope this next generation of men Galt-out en masse.  Women don’t build or invent anything.  I’ve known this for a long time and always shrugged my shoulders and said its because they have to spend their best years raising kids.  But that’s just not true anymore.  They spend their best years trying to find a man to loot instead…ah well.  Its good to have a place to think out loud.

[D. KingParticipant 8]

I’m a-political.  So, why am I here?  I don’t know.  My take on this is that our society is done for–finished.  There will be no political solution.  We are Rome.  We are Egypt.  We are whatever civilization that came, and eventually ended.  The only difference is that we were one of the shortest in human history.

Anyway, our civilization ended decades ago.  Quite frankly, it probably ended when it began.

Hope I’ve been helpful.  🙂

P.S. There might be new…experiments, let’s just say, that are now laying the foundation for something better–MAYBE.  Look around, dude, because THIS civilization is dead.  It’s gone.  It can’t be saved.  It can’t be resurrected.  It has to end, and then something else replace it.  And it WON’T be technology, as too many young people seem to believe.  Technology ain’t did S~~~ to avoid WWI, WWII, pollution, family break-down, exploitation, racism, feminism, sissy-ism, or any other destructive ism.  We advanced with our toys [technology], but continued the downward spiral to oblivion. Again: Look around for experiments.  They do exist.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Social Responsibility is an individual choice.. I can only speak for myself..I feel a responsibility to educate and inform other men who may be heading for disastrous relations~~~s…The very instant this responsibility is turned into an obligation I will become suspicious.

Is this movement more than just disconnecting?  Or is it about balancing the scales in the face of an evolving, increasingly technological social order? Not meant to be a binary proposition.  Tons of grey area between the two questions.

A Lifestyle choice is not a movement, but as more and more choose the lifestyle it will take on the illusion of a movement.. We are individuals here, not part of a social order.

are there concrete objectives we should pursue?  A political manifesto of sorts?

You are free to pursue your objectives, just as I am free to pursue mine…I like the idea of mgtow men helping each other through personal choice but never by force or democratic process..Example: The MGTOW homeless outreach program is something I believe is a good thing. I am free to support or reject any idea just as you are…”NO” is a very empowering word and has a special place in my heart now….No is my response to any political solutions..Politicians are parasites on society and for every solution they propose they create three more problems that did not exist before.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

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