Social factors influencing transgenders.

[UnbelievableyetnotParticipant 512]

Firstly a disclaimer. I’m not denying the biological component of trans-sexuality. There is scientific evidence that points to physiological and anatomical causation. However there is no evidence that it applies to every transgender. The idea that social forces would ever want a man to yield his “privilege” is something feminist media does not want the public or anyone for that matter, to start pondering.

I wonder how many transgender male to females have their identity issues not because of biology, or being a woman is all that great, but because they were made to feel like s~~~ as a man and they think the grass must be greener on the other side. Some males want to

1) Be considered beautiful – Society shames men who engage in beauty regimes as vain, not a real man, and self centred. Why isnt your desire for such beauty focused on a woman?

2) Wear colourful patterns an elaborate fashions. Male fashions are obviously plain and dark compared to female. Again its clear who is supposed to command attention and who’s supposed to give it.

3) Not have their feelings and vulnerabilities ignored.

Then there’s

4) The rise in single motherhood and the weakening of the paternal role.
5) The feminization of media + the classroom from nursery to university. Few male role models.
6) The desire to be sexy. When a man or a woman nowadays thinks of “sexy” one automatically goes to the idea of a woman. Men are heavily de-sexualixed.
7) The idea of maleness being celebrated? Offensive, taboo and politically incorrect.
8) The desire to not be ugly. The pervasive stereotype of men recoiling in horror at the mere sight of male nudity. Women calling the penis ugly, among other insults, the idea that men are better looking covered up, laughing at male strippers as if they’re birthday clowns.
9) The permission to be sensitive without reprimand and stigma.
10) The permission to be cheerful and flamboyant without being seen as gay, a goofball, or a creep.
11) The desire to not be different from and to fit in to a female social group. What female social group doesn’t badmouth men?
12) The idea that men are inherently perverted, potential rapists, not as caring, can’t multitask and are generally morally inferior to women.
13) The general placing of women on pedastals.
14) A felt lack of purpose as a man.

All these factors internalized subconsciously. What are we if not products of our environment? Individually these factors arent enough to make someone transition but together? How can factors like these be so casually dismissed? What if delving into these issues from a pro male perspective could be beneficial to therapy? What if it could save lives. We won’t know because it’s not PC.

Now a SJW at this point would say that dismantling “traditional masculinity” would solve most if not all of this, hence you should be a feminist! Well feminists deny women’s role in enforcing social norms and only blame men. Therefore nothing can or will change. They say transgenders are more numerous in feminist societies because they’re more accepting. I say transgenders are more numerous (esp MTF) because of misandry.

[Anonymous 12]

Just like you have some very Nordic/European people who claim to have/do have Australian Aboriginal blood or American Indian blood etc yet they do not look like they have that at all.

It’s because under the current Political Correct Left Wing mess you can claim all sorts of benefits from being these races. Same goes with transgenders, sure they might feel like they were born the wrong gender but given the current climate they encouraged to push the boundaries as it further works away at the fabric of traditional society. Pretty soon we will see quotas for Females, Blacks, Homosexuals and Transgenders.

And the White Straight man? Well, he is just privileged and to blame for everything anyway.  And if you are a man who feels hard done by than just like you had black people in the past try to lighten their skin tone you will have men who change their gender to get a fair go.

 

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I’m an old guy so I’m mostly confused and stumped by what’s going on these days.

My thoughts are that if you’re a man and want to be a woman …. go do it … then come back and be a woman…… and vice versa.

Hell if you were white and wanted to be black … and it could be done …. why the hell not.

But ….. I don’t care …. I don’t want to hear about it. I don’t care about your feeling or your struggle.

Just go and do it … then shut the f~~~ up … and get on.

If you find at the end of all that … you have been manipulate into it …  tuff …. that’s life.

I’m sick of hearing about trans this and that. Do it or don’t do it.

But if you do ….. please just melt back into the masses …. so I can go about ‘my’ struggles that nobody give a s~~~ about. 😆

[SteveParticipant 462]

I’m sure there are a few legitimate cases of men converting to women due to biological reasons, imbalances in male to female hormones, something funky going on with brain chemistry.

The vast majority of them are just attention seeking. It used to be that saying you were gay was a big enough shock factor to get the attention (again I’m not saying there aren’t genuine gays out there) but once that becomes popular that soon wears off.

That Bruce Jenner fella, you’re a woman now. OK. That’s good. Go live your life quietly and peacefully as a woman. But oh no, he wants interviews and social media and even naked cover shoots. It’s become cool now to be a trans gender supporter and all the other “celebrities” are rushing in to say congratulations and offering their of course very public support.

So has Bruce Jenner the woman settled into her new gender and got herself a boyfriend? Of course not. She wants to date women. Transgender and a f~~~ing lesbian now. I would give her some credit if she at least started sucking some c~~~.

It screams of attention seeking hypocrisy.

 

[JasonParticipant 282]

I agree with ILiveAgain on this. You wanna do it – go ahead and do it and stop complaining. A couple years ago I even had to tell an acquaintance (an unknowing SJW, sadly) going on about transgender issues that “If you want to wear a dress, go ahead and wear a dress; just stop yapping about it” for the simple reason that neither I nor anyone else in our social group cared; we all subscribed to the idea that as long as you don’t involve other people against their will, you should just do whatever the hell you want. He never did end up wearing a dress, to my knowledge, but at least he stopped going on about it.

As for your op, Unbelievableyetnot, I generally agree with everything you say, though I have to add that I do, in fact, find male strippers ridiculous. Not a gender issue here as such, nor do I look down on them for stripping, but it just looks so ridiculous you can’t help but laugh, y’know? Like seeing a puppy chase its own tail until it gets dizzy and starts stumbling around like a drunk, only more absurd-looking. Personal opinion, of course.

There lies serenity in Chaos. Seek ye the eye of the hurricane.

[UnbelievableyetnotParticipant 512]

I too think male strippers look ridiculous. But I don’t think its because the idea of a male stripping is inherently absurd. It’s the whole idea of men seeing their bodies as objects of lust and erotica instead of objects of work and utility that we’re all taught to mock.

As for attention, in some cases I think attention plays a huge role: example https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Ahuviya_Harel#Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes

In Bruce Jenner’s case, perhaps a desire to be centre stage and not background to the Kardashians is a factor, but he claims to have this desire since his olympian days, when he was at the peak of his popularity. If that’s true, then it’s more likely down to the Caitlyn Jenner alter ego being attention starved all that time and overcompensating now. Fine. If his show has an audience…it’s America, go for it.
I only get annoyed when Jenner’s beating war veterans who lost limbs for hero awards. That’s crass.

Here’s what I find perplexing.

Take this next guy. He is not transgender. He is a man. Born and raised.

Now you’d think he has a more feminine brain than…

Him

Or

Him, the night before facial feminization surgery.

or

You get the picture.

Now the latter three have CLEARLY been subject to alot more testosterone than Sunny5ma. (the first guy who isnt trans and who does i fact like men). I mean am I the crazy one here? You can tell that just from looking at them. But we’re supposed to believe the brains of these guys (sorry, girls) are more feminized than Sunny5ma’s? Or what, part of their brain is more feminized? The part that conveniently determines gender identity? Does this sound like a stretch to anyone else?

[MyselfParticipant 353]

I’m with @iliveagain on this and basically take the “whatever floats your boat” view towards things.  I’m also very confused as to what is going on in todays society.

Basically I tolerate trans people, but I don’t accept them as being totally normal and okie dokie. My feeling is that being transsexual is basically a psychological disorder, and I approach them as I would someone with schizophrenia or OCD, etc. Never spent much time thinking about how much of it is due to nature or nurture.  However, I do know that my inclination to tolerate yet distance myself from trans people to due to my social upbringing and I see nothing wrong with that – I get to decide who I want to trust and feel comfortable associating with as I go about living my own life.

 

 

[Mana KnightParticipant 333]

I agree.

I am lost on this trans-gender, trans-sexual thing. No idea what the difference is, frankly don’t care.
Just get on with it, don’t keep harping on about it!!!

Like others have said, nothing against them, but neither do I think it is normal.

Just because science has allowed, doesn’t mean we should.

There are obviously some REAL cases out there where something has gone wrong with the DNA/hormones, but I think there are people that take it because they can.

 

[Mana KnightParticipant 333]

The other one I do not get is there is something called…”non-binary”, at least I think there is? God knows when/where this comes from, but  I think this is the idea of not having a gender one way or another ( or rather you say you don’t have a gender). And you get to call yourself XMR or XY or some crap instead of Mr or Mrs…..

But to me that makes no sense….

Simple test.

Which bathroom accommodates your needs? Ladies or Gents?

There you go, that is your gender. End of.

Any one who can enlighten me on this one please do, genuinely interested. Do not mean to sound bigoted or condensing, just confused about all of this now.

I am 27 years old, but like others probably older than me, I am just lost at this point. The world has got so confusing the past years with the introduction of….I have no idea 🙁

[Mana KnightParticipant 333]

Oh, and there is also Pans-Gender I believe?
Again, lost at this point.

 

[BDParticipant 1146]

ILiveAgain wrote:

But ….. I don’t care …. I don’t want to hear about it. I don’t care about your feeling or your struggle. Just go and do it … then shut the f~~~ up … and get on. If you find at the end of all that … you have been manipulate into it …  tuff …. that’s life. I’m sick of hearing about trans this and that. Do it or don’t do it. But if you do ….. please just melt back into the masses …. so I can go about ‘my’ struggles that nobody give a s~~~ about.

Totally agree with you,

I don’t know what their deal is, and I’m not committing any time to understanding it, because I do not care at all, just like nobody cares about our battles.

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[UnbelievableyetnotParticipant 512]

Well I do care about it. Primarily the high suicide rate and that there are young boys being pushed into it. Their parents don’t stand by and observe anymore. Now it’s all about positive reinforcement to any child that shows gender dysphoria. It’ disturbing. And it’s because the female voice has dominated the political climate on this issue. Men are too quick to say “I don’t wanna know” and abdicate their say. When that happens, scientific research becomes based on what will get funding (politically correct results) over what is true.

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