Social Alienation

[Golgotha777Participant 326]

I put this in the “Health and Fitness” section in regards to mental health, just in case anyone was wondering why.

I find myself frequently reflecting in the daily grind of life, driving, buying, and working that I am surrounded by other people but none the less feel very alone and disconnected. Maybe this is just my issue, maybe I have not found my “tribe”, but I feel a profound sense of automation of human life in first world culture in general. Marx may not have been correct about his prescription for society but I believe he was correct in some descriptive aspects of the “capitalist state”.

Maybe, this is in relation to willfully ignoring my genetic programming to mate and reproduce. My mind and body punishing me for not “getting with the program”. I think about socializing with “normies” but I am fairly sure that none of the things that concern them would interest me. Philosophy, psychology, religion, etc… Ironically, a lot of the people that are interested in such things are f~~~ing cucks. Male feminists, etc. You know, the tattooed “namaste” types. (not to say that I don’t have an interest in eastern religion)

Most of the time it just feels like there are too many f~~~ing people around me. It’s a confusing contradictory disposition. Desiring connection while being surrounded by humans.

I don’t want to sink my time, energy, and money into video games and that banality, either. I’ve spent a decade and a half indulging in such things. I don’t know what to do. I go to work, eat, sleep, and repeat.

If you have anything to contribute, please do. Maybe you’ve been in the same position or are currently.

[EvilcpuParticipant 217]

Golgotha777 wrote:

I find myself frequently reflecting in the daily grind of life, driving, buying, and working that I am surrounded by other people but none the less feel very alone and disconnected.

I feel more or less like this, I can relate to what you say. I would like to “reproduce and mate”, but I am scared s~~~less at the idea of getting divorce raped. So, I wait for the artificial womb.

I started to sense a growing distance between me and my friends who routinely do the “western bulls~~~s” of chasing women in clubs, watching movies and so on. I question the utility and return of investment of such activities.

I don’t know if I’m correct, but I believe you feel in the paradoxical situation in which you can’t win, regardless the direction you move, towards people or away from them. I resolved (well, trying to resolve…) losing myself in scientific pursuits. I admit, there’s still a sensation of incompleteness in all this, at least for me.

Out of your prime, out of my sight.

[Anonymous 3]

Alien Nation? Mars for Martians, Yankee go home! 🙂

[Golgotha777Participant 326]

It’s called cynical asshole syndrome.

Cynical Asshole Syndrome

:”D oh my god, that’s exactly on point. I identified with that episode super hard.

That is a vacuum for a lot of people that religion used to fill.

In a word it is the kind of nihilism as predicted by the “Death of God”. The only natural thing to fill the vacuum in such a case would be materialism — which bifurcated into communism and consumerism…

For the most part I absorb myself into study of the aforementioned subjects — philosophy, religions, etc. Sometimes the better part of my experiences I get that feeling of what might be termed “religious”.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

There is a cure for CAS.
It’s called gratitude. Like being happy you found MGTOW and rolling in the freedom that NFG gives you. No longer dwelling on the negative. Loving your sovereignty and your solitude. Enjoying the finest and best you can get from life, because you now give yourself the finest.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Anonymous 38]

I agree this is the price we pay for not getting with the program.
Life can seem ‘meaningless’ but at least we are free.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

I solve it easyly.

There is 7526 million people on this planet, all of them are trying to kill me.

If you see it like that, every time you are alone, you are like “safe at last “

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[MonkParticipant 16984]

It’s the ‘normals’ existence that’s meaningless.

MGTOW sets you free. You are an individual, rather than a cog in the machine.

[AposematicParticipant 2671]

I reckon Mr Miyagi from Karate kid rocks. He was living as a MGTOW monk, with a sense of dignity and equanimity.

Afinogyny.. from the Greek Afino {to abandon/ to set down/ to leave /to allow/ to let } + Gyny {Women} MGHOW’s philosophy to not engage women without “hating them”. Narcorca =Narcissistic Orca typically spouting to a bathroom mirror taking an arms length selfie ; Wallinate describes post wall females whose SMV is terminally negligible New Years resolution "To not make women happy" . Instadestitue: yet another Neologism for Men that cohabit with women that decide to pull the handle of intervention orders.

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

Maybe, you should start FOCUSING your energies/time towards “something” ??

Only YOU can FIND that “something”………

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[bladeParticipant]

Check out the cools~~~ and funstuff threads .

I have been putting up hobbies like rc and other s~~~ . All those types of things have clubs where men gather .

These types of hobbies are a good way also for people with a disability or is not the sporting type

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Anonymous 0]

OP may just need to get out and socialize more.

It’s good to separate yourself from society and go your own way, define yourself as a separate person. But that can lead to isolation. Isolation is fine if you have the monk mentality. I’m pretty isolated these days, partly because I have lots of little projects to be working on. But I’m an old man, and there’s a Senior Center just a few blocks away. If I start getting bored and need some human company, I’ll just pop down and join the Senior Center and play some canasta or bridge with the folks down there.

In other words, everyone has to find that right balance between separating/isolating versus maintaining some ties with the rest of the world and maybe doing a little socializing. Otherwise you can get so isolated that you float away into your head and disappear.

[Anonymous 5]

I believe there’s also an element self disapproval based on expectations.
We’re driven to conform and belong but this opens men up to all types of exploitation, and invariably, subjugation.

For men, the bottom line is, “Every Man For Himself”,,, and that’s the way it’s always been.
As an evolutionary strategy, Male Disposability only works if there’s always a male ready to come in and take the place of a fallen male.
Therefore all males develop to their peak in isolation, both mentally and emotionally.
This is why men seem to need their solitude. They’re biologically hard wired to thrive in it.

Don’t lose too much sleep about not fitting in, that’s an indulgence for women, kids and idiots.

[Anonymous 12]

I left a few forums because my politics and world view clashes with the idiots on them. I rarely speak at work, I can’t deal with the Blue Pill twits around me.

I don’t have an urge to reproduce. I don’t even know if I would be able to speak to a woman anymore. It seems to me that to impress a woman means bowing down to her and entertaining her as if she were a little child.

I have always been the odd man out though.

[Anonymous 54]

Introverts struggle around people.

Extroverts struggle when alone.

Dont fight it. Do what works for you.

Zoom!!!

Hell no!! Hahah

Introvert.

[xanthineParticipant 4903]

I have felt alienated my whole life.

At first I felt like there was something wrong with me. I wanted to fit in, to be like everyone else, but I couldn’t. I didn’t understand.

Then I started to realize I was fundamentally different. I knew I was smarter. I understood things in a way other people didn’t. I had very intense emotion. I wasn’t interested in the things other people were.

I started to realize I wouldn’t be happy with the same kind of life that other people want. I saw people basically wasting their lives, throwing their lives away. I started to think more for myself. I learned to use my differences to my advantage.

Anyway, fast forward to now. I am in the top 95% in terms of income and education. I am 30, still in awesome shape. I enjoy my life, my hobbies, and have a million things left to do. I’ve had an incredible life, done things most people can only dream of, and I’m just getting started.

I’m not necessarily saying I am a good example, but I will say this. If I hadn’t embraced my differences, I’d still be in my home town trying to find weed to smoke with my idiot burnout friends not doing s~~~ with my life. Instead I am here, and they are stuck there.

Do whatever comes naturally to you. Find a way to live your life that makes you happy. You may be lonely at times, but it’s a small price to pay. It’s better than fitting in with a bunch of losers.

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

Since this is a mental health thread, i will just say it’s difficult to relate to people unless they have similar experiences as me. I’ve had a laundry list of psychological and psychiatric “disorders” since childhood. My brain is just wired to the contrary of the norm.

Reading some of your other threads OP, lets me know you likely have had similar experiences as me, and therefor i can see why you feel isolated and disconnected. Our minds want connectivity, but they can’t establish it, because we’re on a different frequency or realm.

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

Nothing particularly wrong with you.
It’s almost a universal effect. Usually at 30 to 35 is the first time it hits you.
Its a bit long to explain but Ill try to summarize as much as I can:

1. Biologically:
-You are supposed to have kids, since they are not there, evolution does not have an answer for you on “what’s next”. Evolution expects you to have kids and after they can take care of themselves… die.
If you are missing the kids part… you following? Good. This means you cannot ask your instinct or subconsciousness whats next. You have to choose that. (more on this later).

2. Socially:

-Social constructs and civilization also has expectations out of you (and here you do have some to pay back to it). You were after all raised, you have the benefit of the social interactions like selling/buying at a competitive price, technological advancement, you know all those goodies. If you break out of the norm, society has two problems: It does not know if you can be trusted because it does not understand you, and two it sees you as a lost member of that society.

If you want to be able to handle this problem correctly, you need to understand society at its core in order to show it that you never left (you still go to work, pay your taxes, etc), you just dont need that much of its interaction. This is key as it will relief a lot of pressure from society from you and you would be surprised at how many people think exactly the same way… they just are afraid to come forth with it.

3. Intellectually:

-IQ varies a lot. If you are an Idiot you wont like to be with a lot of smart people and if you are very smart you wont like to be surrounded by idiots. Identify where you land and keep people around you with similar IQs (and perhaps interests).
If the gaps here are too large, yo simply cant stand being with people (btw, everyone thinks they are the smart one, so… be sure to be honest with yourself).

4. Self awareness:

-At some point in your life, you will think to yourself: Why am i working 8 hours a day, to do the same crap over and over again (or some variance of it). This means you are smart enough to realize you dont want to be a slave to money (which is a good thing, in the right amount of dosage).
So, what do you want? How do I get there? etc.
At this point you might want to start your own business or travel the world or… god forbid, get married.
The point is, for lets say 30 years, the entire world around you tried to convince you that you will be happy by being a slave, and you just woke up. Congratulations.

All things considered, the question is: How do I get from here, to where I want to be?
First, get to know yourself. If you dont there is no way you will ever know what you want. If even then you cannot find what you want, start testing things until you hit something you want to do.
Remember not to trust your instinct blindly, same for your Ego. Those things are not you, they got their own agenda.

And most importantly, if you are ever down and in doubt, remember, that is NORMAL. No one is always sure of themselves, no one is always a winner. You will have more failures in your life than successes, thats a fact.
You know what I do when I am thinking about s~~~ like that? I start cleaning up my house. It kinda reminds me that even something like that can be fun for me (broke a few plates throwing them into the air with the music, but hey, im getting better at catching them. Kick ass trick when you are cleaning something when you have a spectator at home).

*Side note, people call this a personal crisis. It has nothing to do with that. If anything its a wake up call that a lot of people dont get till they are married, 2.5 kids, 1 vacation a year and a tv show as a Friday night company. So yeah, better now (not that there is anything wrong with Friday shows).

[Golgotha777Participant 326]

Great post @catspaw. Yeah, I’m 28 and I’m trying to figure out what to do with myself that won’t reduce me to being a slave my entire life. At least I don’t have a wife and kids, for sure.

First, get to know yourself. If you dont there is no way you will ever know what you want. If even then you cannot find what you want, start testing things until you hit something you want to do.

This is the stage I’m at now. The world is open to me and I don’t know where to go next.

Something I have struggled with for many years is the idea of not having clear vision to see where I could go next. I’ve been slowly disengaging from distractions as that appears to be a perpetual willful ignorance situation that most people engage in, one way or another. More valuable time down the drain.

I don’t live for anyone else but I do desire more meaningful things out of my life. Personal growth and excellence. Though that’s only a vague statement at this point.

I know the only real “enemy” is myself, given that my red pill brothers have given me the eyes to see the lies of society. “false promises”

TurdFlingingMonkey covered this in a good video, basically pulling from existentialism and stoicism.

I think I may rewatch some videos about philosophy and try to get myself on track at least mentally.

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