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One of the concerns expressed around reaction to SJW/Feminists/Progressives, in regards to sexual assault/rape allegations is that there should be innocent until proven guilty, and claims of assault, etc… in this area can be a weapon to take an innocent man down. It is also a great way to end up doing political damage to anyone. Pick someone in political office you may like, and think about the charges against them.
Well, look at the outbreak of allegations going on now. Many are being taken out, and such is being used politically.
Is innocent until proven guilty now dead? You now see a total purging including Bill Clinton being thrown in the trash heap of the left, as is seen in this article I ran across in my Google News Feed:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/reckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/Note this beginning from the article:
The most remarkable thing about the current tide of sexual assault and harassment accusations is not their number. If every woman in America started talking about the things that happen during the course of an ordinary female life, it would never end. Nor is it the power of the men involved: History instructs us that for countless men, the ability to possess women sexually is not a spoil of power; it’s the point of power. What’s remarkable is that these women are being believed.Most of them don’t have police reports or witnesses or physical evidence. Many of them are recounting events that transpired years—sometimes decades—ago. In some cases, their accusations are validated by a vague, carefully couched quasi-admission of guilt; in others they are met with outright denial. It doesn’t matter. We believe them. Moreover, we have finally come to some kind of national consensus about the workplace; it naturally fosters a level of romance and flirtation, but the line between those impulses and the sexual predation of a boss is clear.
All the Angry Ladies
In the Valley of the Open Secret
Believing women about assault—even if they lack the means to prove their accounts—as well as understanding that female employees don’t constitute part of a male boss’s benefits package, were the galvanizing consequences of Anita Hill’s historic allegations against Clarence Thomas, in 1991. When she came forward during Thomas’s Supreme Court confirmation hearing and reported that he had sexually humiliated and pressured her throughout his tenure as her boss at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, it was an event of convulsive national anxiety. Here was a black man, a Republican, about to be appointed to the Supreme Court, and here was a black woman, presumably a liberal, trying to block him with reports of repeated, squalid, and vividly recounted episodes of sexual harassment. She had little evidence to support her accusations. Many believed that since she’d been a lawyer at the EEOC, she had been uniquely qualified to have handled such harassment.
————————————-So now, just have women, without evidence, make allegations, and use it to take someone out, and ruin them. Is this a good thing? Should something be done here? Or, is it merely, at best, going to be a game of partisan warfare, in that you end up always believing (to the end) that a guy who advances your political agenda is always innocent, and any claims by those you oppose, are true, and have a magical belief that somehow political views have the ability totally curb sexual conduct.
Is this not a dangerous time to be in? If this is going to be the norm, then why even bother to try to even comment on false sexual assault/rape allegations? The rape culture narrative would of won… except it is your guy, then no way EVER would that guy ever do anything like that. Progressives are willing to throw everyone on their own side under the bus to make that narrative, that all claims are true, until proven otherwise. Want to roll with it?
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Yes. It’s trial by Twitter and public opinion now that matters most.
The slander, libel and whatever else is relevant lawyers are probably biding their time until it’s calmed down a bit and then there will be the backlash against the false accusing gold-digging slagbags, because there will be money to be made.
Lawyers don’t give a f~~~ about anything but money so they will be on the case when the time is right. I usually hate lawyers but in this instance I hope they will be very successful.
"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.
Yes. It’s trial by Twitter and public opinion now that matters most.
So, I guess there is nothing left but to end up weaponizing it, right? Idea of truth and right and wrong are gone, and what replaces it is just grabs for power, and your side “winning” whatever that means. In the end, one can end up winning nothing really at all costs.
I would hold there is some problems here, and legitimate assault. It just seems like such an open season, it is dead. Is it time to come up with a MGTOW survivial guide for this? I say avoiding the whole dating and breeding cycle, as is the norm for MGTOW, can save men a lot of grief here. So, maybe there are gains for MGTOW itself in this. Until society figures it out, men opt out.
I know that Mike Pence was mocked and said to discriminate against women, because he refused to meet with any women alone. In this day and age, Mike Pence seems to have the right idea. Considering also, that you are seeing same sex accusations being made, maybe it is best to not meet with ANYONE one on one.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Pardon me for posting this bit here, but there was this bit from the Access Hollywood tape:
Trump: … And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
Bush: Whatever you want.
Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.
I would say that is true now. However, I can see that “let you do it. You can do anything.” in regards to those who are rich and in power, can then come back, years later, as that who let it be done, didn’t want it to be done, and it is assault. Throw in also the way the whole dating arena is, where the norm is men are supposed to take the lead, and act, and no may or may not mean no, and it is deadly. So, avoiding all this seems to be the best course of action, which is score one for MGTOW, as I see it.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I say avoiding the whole dating and breeding cycle, as is the norm for MGTOW, can save men a lot of grief here. So, maybe there are gains for MGTOW itself in this. Until society figures it out, men opt out.
That’s a given.
he refused to meet with any women alone.
That’s a bit extreme.
I say avoiding the whole dating and breeding cycle, as is the norm for MGTOW, can save men a lot of grief here. So, maybe there are gains for MGTOW itself in this. Until society figures it out, men opt out.
That’s a given.
he refused to meet with any women alone.
That’s a bit extreme.
Pence is very religiously conservative, and very concerned about anything that might tarnish his reputation, which is why he is only attacked on his political views and policies he supports (not scandal stuff mostly). What I suggest with being careful about meeting with anyone, I would preface by saying that it does have some exceptions, but it is prudent to be careful about meeting anyone. Anyone may end up having it out for you. Humans have an ability to turn anything into a weapon, and as you gain resources, you can get targeted, particularly by women.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
you can get targeted, particularly by women.
A long time ago an ex girlfriend threatened me. I threatened her back and I wasn’t kidding. She freaked out and became super nice to me.
I have a good amount of resources but I also have plenty of time to inflict some serious damage to anyone to tries to come at me.
I am one of those humans who will be very patient, but when I blow, I will not care if the person lives or dies in the end.
The simple answer is yes. An alarming reality is it’s not just in regards to interactions with females.
With civil asset forfeiture laws. You’re guilty until proven innocent.For example, a tweaker t~~~ is busted. She trades a name and address for a lesser sentence. Your address, “mistakenly is affixed to the warrant.”
Any valuables LEO deems too good for a peon like you are ‘confiscated’. The DA throws a bunch of crap at you that you have to defend.
Most people in BDG’s eyes are happy they aren’t serving 2-10 years in prison. They won’t bother trying to reclaim $15,000 of personal property ‘confiscated’.
See the prison is everywhere now.
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. --Sun Tsu
C~~~asaurus herd doing c~~~asarus things.
Aloha means family you don't leave family behind. Who will be the next Draconarius for MGTOW? MGTOW = brothers = acceptance = belonging
I grew up the deep south. It was an acceptable hobby for girls to cry rape or false allegations of unwanted touching to try to get people beat up.
This is where I learned the best revenge it just to succeed. Every one of those THOTs have gone nowhere in life. They were used up by they time they were 18 and now they are nothing more than used doormats at a mudders club.
One thing I have learned. If you dwell on those that hurt you, you can’t rise above your current station. If you worry about yourself and keep moving forward the sky is the limit.
Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.
the best revenge it just to succeed.
BigD is spot on!
I grew up the deep south. It was an acceptable hobby for girls to cry rape or false allegations of unwanted touching to try to get people beat up.
This is where I learned the best revenge it just to succeed. Every one of those THOTs have gone nowhere in life. They were used up by they time they were 18 and now they are nothing more than used doormats at a mudders club.
One thing I have learned. If you dwell on those that hurt you, you can’t rise above your current station. If you worry about yourself and keep moving forward the sky is the limit.
Tell me if this connects to what you wrote: If you spend time trying to get even with losers, you end up being even (at the same level), as them.
I also go off with that you end up mirroring an enemy you try to defeat. If you do things on your own terms, and not get bogged down, they don’t define you.
Anyhow, just my take.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Guilty until proven innocent seems to be the rule. This has pretty much been the rule on college campuses for a long time. I used to have nightmares that some c~~~ would hit me with a false rape or abuse accusation and kill my career before it started. I had one girl who actually did that, although luckily she dropped it later. There is absolutely no due process, in fact you don’t even get to know who your accuser is. And even if you prove your innocence, it is still a permanent black mark against you and your accuser will have zero consequences.
I’m glad all these politicians are finally getting a dose of their own toxic medicine. They are the ones who allowed all this bulls~~~ sexist legislation like yes means yes, vawa, and grossly unconstitutional and sexist interpretations of title IX to become the norm for everyday men like me. It isn’t just rich and famous men who have to worry. Basically any woman can call the cops on any man at any time, and have a pretty good shot at ruining his life. In fact they don’t even have to call the cops, these days they just post it on social media and you are f~~~ed. And unlike these asshole politicians, most men dont have millions of dollars and political connections to defend themselves.
Personally, i hope every single one of them gets taken down. It’s what they deserve for creating such a toxic legal climate for men in the first place. And maybe when it starts hurting them, the laws will get changed. Because as it is now they clearly dont give a f~~~ how many innocent men have their lives ruined.
Has been for a long time.
http://www.leavemeansleave.eu
I’m glad all these politicians are finally getting a dose of their own toxic medicine. They are the ones who allowed all this bulls~~~ sexist legislation like yes means yes, vawa, and grossly unconstitutional and sexist interpretations of title IX to become the norm for everyday men like me. It isn’t just rich and famous men who have to worry. Basically any woman can call the cops on any man at any time, and have a pretty good shot at ruining his life. In fact they don’t even have to call the cops, these days they just post it on social media and you are f~~~ed. And unlike these asshole politicians, most men dont have millions of dollars and political connections to defend themselves.
Personally, i hope every single one of them gets taken down. It’s what they deserve for creating such a toxic legal climate for men in the first place. And maybe when it starts hurting them, the laws will get changed. Because as it is now they clearly dont give a f~~~ how many innocent men have their lives ruined.
If things change, after “getting a taste of the medicine”, then it is ok. If it further entrenches guilty until proven innocent, then that makes it worse.
I never think for one minute that increasing hurt will change anything in a positive way.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I grew up the deep south. It was an acceptable hobby for girls to cry rape or false allegations of unwanted touching to try to get people beat up.
This is where I learned the best revenge it just to succeed. Every one of those THOTs have gone nowhere in life. They were used up by they time they were 18 and now they are nothing more than used doormats at a mudders club.
One thing I have learned. If you dwell on those that hurt you, you can’t rise above your current station. If you worry about yourself and keep moving forward the sky is the limit.
Tell me if this connects to what you wrote: If you spend time trying to get even with losers, you end up being even (at the same level), as them.
I also go off with that you end up mirroring an enemy you try to defeat. If you do things on your own terms, and not get bogged down, they don’t define you.
Anyhow, just my take.
You got it.
Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.
I grew up the deep south. It was an acceptable hobby for girls to cry rape or false allegations of unwanted touching to try to get people beat up.
This is where I learned the best revenge it just to succeed. Every one of those THOTs have gone nowhere in life. They were used up by they time they were 18 and now they are nothing more than used doormats at a mudders club.
One thing I have learned. If you dwell on those that hurt you, you can’t rise above your current station. If you worry about yourself and keep moving forward the sky is the limit.
Tell me if this connects to what you wrote: If you spend time trying to get even with losers, you end up being even (at the same level), as them.
I also go off with that you end up mirroring an enemy you try to defeat. If you do things on your own terms, and not get bogged down, they don’t define you.
Anyhow, just my take.
You got it.
At least that is one thing I have gotten out of MGTOW as an approach as opposed to the norm of activism. Being an activist, you end you mirroring your opposition. You end up looking like them actually, in an opposite way. That is why I see what MRAs try to do as a waste of time. Oh, maybe you benefit a label of some sort, but does a man doing this benefit? Even what you see around the alternative right, I don’t jive with personally. I can be against SJWs, Progressivism, and Feminists who want to turn men into Mangina foot soldiers for their cause, don’t benefit me in any way. Moment I start to fight them, I end up wasting my life, no on personal advancement, but on “getting even”.
Anyhow, just my take.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
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