So I'm not alone

[EyesWideParticipant 5]

My suspicions have been confirmed. I am not the only one experiencing this. Something is really off in our society, isn’t there? I’ve been reading the posts on here, the various stories, all very fascinating. We all seem to have our bone to pick with the system. The “System” is the only thing I can really it, the machine, that works against us.

Our society has never been perfect. There have always been problems in human history. Yet I think we’ve reached a breaking point in history where everything is being turned upside down. Everything.

In college I met a girl. She was very much into me. I however, didn’t really like her all that much. So introduced her to one of my best friends. Well. She really, really liked him. Like, obsessed over him. Had her friends stalk him. Didn’t “allow him” to hang out with us. When we wanted to play smash, drink a bit, she would enter into our apartment a total control freak. It was his first relationship. Eventually, she got so paranoid that she “threw up” her pill when they went drinking one night. Yeah, it was “thrown up”. Whoops!

And then she had not one but two kids and they are married now. And that’s all I gotta say in the matter.

I am 26, I work in software sales, I work very hard, and I am single. I do not plan on getting married anytime soon. From my very beginnings in school, I could feel deep down inside, something almost instinctual, that something is seriously wrong.  And its not JUST for the reason above. I read the Manosphere section and nearly everything resonated with me.

“The average young woman today is less concerned about the number of quality men who would commit to her than she is about the number of men who retweet a photo of her breasts.”

After reading that I knew I had to join. The dating scene is a nightmare. I knew it was getting bad when I was sitting in college and the pretty girl in front of me was spending the ENTIRE TIME IN CLASS on Facebook, cropping her pictures, editing things. All for what? Her Ego?. Posting up slutty pictures of her and her friends, fishing for “Likes”. It’s all about the likes.

That statement is absolutely and completely 100% true. It was happening back then in 2009 and it’s even worse now. This not only reinforces a false digital ego, but also reinforces superficiality. So now you have these women thinking its even more important to look good than be a good person and appreciate someone for who they are. We’re all to blame here. Any guy who likes multiple photos, and comments “you’re so hot”, “I love your boobs” needs to be slapped in the face. You’re an enabler to a drug addict.

They’ll get the ego boost whenever they post the boob shot. And you have these same women with huge egos with increased expectations for men, that no wonder why they can’t find anyone to date. No guy can live up to their expectations. And since they got those 100 likes on Instagram, they are all so popular and hot – they deserve a hot guy. I’ve been told this straight up by women my age that have had a few drinks. “I won’t date a guy unless he has a photo with 50 likes. I’ve earned one – so should he.”

I could not believe my ears. Are you freaking kidding me? This is a huge problem. You’re talking about women raising their standards to ridiculous levels. And we all know that she isn’t going to close that social media account once she gets with you. If she has a fight with you? Relationship going bad? Post a boob shot, or post a pic of you posing half naked in the mirror. We all know that people who have Instagram and are active on there are more likely to cheat. I’m not saying that if you have an Instagram/Twitter and are on there occasionally, are as bad as these girls – but there is definitely a large portion of women like this. And it’s really bad. I’ve heard stories where women will take photos in the middle of the date.

I was told by my mother that she went into NYC (she had to go to see the doctor) and she stopped by a cafe and she saw this beautiful girl sitting in the corner – taking tons of photos of herself. She asked me “Why were all the guys standing around her ignoring her? It’s like they were too intimidated to even acknowledge her.” I didn’t have an answer.

And I don’t even consider myself to be a bad a prospect. I have a good job, I make good money, I am not bad looking. But this just makes me sick.

I see I’m ranting, I’ll stop here. So glad I found this place. There is so much to talk about. The rant above is only one small piece of the screwed up puzzle.

[Mr. LameParticipant 13]

I think a dandy little solar flare will be the only thing to save us now…it has to be dandy though

[…Spectator 1165]

Hello EyesWide. ListenUp! here. The best thing is that you made it here safely. A lot of guys come on here and rant and I’m one of them. Get it out of your system man. We’ve all been through some horrible things and it for sure helps to talk about it. Welcome to MGTOW.

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EyesWide:

 

Many women today suffer from an incurable Princess Syndrome.  They feel that the world should not only owe them anything they want but should bow down and worship them as well.

 

[BigDParticipant 3024]

In a way I agree with you Quarter Wave Vertical.  However, who’s fault is this Princess Syndrome?  The father?  Most fathers I see treat their girls like Princesses.  They buy them Princess Barbie.  They call them Princess.  Why is this considered the way a father is supposed to treat their daughters?  Is it Disney’s fault?

On the other hand, what of girls raised with single mothers?  Who tells them these things?  Who is there to influence young women with no fathers that they are special?  The singlemom?  What is the singlemom’s motivation to convince her unwanted girls that they are a princess and deserve things?

Is it the fact that any girl that isn’t ugly is treated differently in society than those that must earn their way?

I’m not telling you the answer because I don’t have the answer.  However, we all know what the problem is, or the syndrome is.  As men, the one’s that are the fixers and solution makers, what is the solution?  Ignore Princess?  Is it working?  Maybe with individual Princesses, but not on all the Princesses.  What is the solution?

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[…Spectator 1165]

BigD: Here’s my take:  Daughters of single (or longtime divorced mothers) are getting the training of how to use the vag from their moms. That was my childhood being in a house of 3 women with my dad gone all the time. Endless testing and strategy sessions by the women to learn how to enact dramatic scenarios on men to get what they want. The single mom’s motivation is simple: They don’t want to pay their own bills so they teach the younger version of themselves how to get out into the marketplace and bring home the cash. It is amazing what they will do to not have to pay their own bills.

All the married guys on here know what I’m talking about when that scenario goes on for a few years and it is the experience of dealing with the mother in law. The mothers in law are the biggest pains in the ass even worse than the daughters because they are always in the wings trying to direct the relationship into money flowing directly towards them. They never admit that though.

[BigDParticipant 3024]

ListenUp!:  My parents are still together.  I don’t know how.  My father is a shell of a real man.  I see his pain everyday when I actually take time to go home.  My mother has sucked the life out of him and has the audacity to bitch about him.  This issue is a thread all unto itself.  I love my mother, but she would be nothing without my father’s hard work.

As for single moms.  I know I shouldn’t say what I’m about to say, but I’m going to.  Single moms with daughters are just raising more single moms.  It’s a vicious cycle.  Their best bet is to show their girls the skills they truly need to succeed as the future whore they will be.  This way, when push comes to shove, they’ll know how to survive and earn extra cash with the skills, that given enough time, would be refined by generations of professional experience taught from mother to daughter like our Great Grandmothers would pass down secret recipes.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[…Spectator 1165]

BigD: Similar thing with my parents. In my house my Dad was the one that passed along the male qualities i.e. showing my sisters how to hunt, fish, build, deal with conflicts, etc. They weren’t much interested in these thing though, and now looking back I can see why. All those things that are survivalist behaviors for men go against female human nature. Female human nature works the opposite way: they rely on their cunning and vaginas to do it for them. All of us have seen the countless scenario of how a young woman will come into a situation and release a bunch of estrogen into the atmosphere and then run away back to the hive to report on the results of the chemical in action. This seems to work better for women than any other tactic. When they figure out how much power the chemicals in their bodies have, they just use those since it is much easier than putting on a uniform and getting out into the workplace.

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BigD:

 

I’m old enough to remember when it all started with Women’s Lib in the late ’60s.  Back then, they wanted equality in law and in society.  Many of us had to change our way of thinking but, on the whole, there wasn’t a great deal of resistance.  Lots of us in school simply shrugged and said, “Why not?”

 

Now, it’s mutated into something completely unrecognizable.  It’s no longer about equality but entitlement.  OK, treat the girls like princesses, but they have to earn that privilege.  I remember a tagline I read somewhere that went something like this:  “It is the duty of men to treat women with respect.  It is the duty of women to give them something to respect.”

 

[BigDParticipant 3024]

That’s the thing, Quarter Wave Vertical.  Modern Western Women aren’t doing anything to be respected for.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[RoyDalParticipant]

It is the duty of men to treat women with respect. It is the duty of women to give them something to respect.

That might be a Michael Baisden quote. I’m not completely sure, but it rings like one of his.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[RoyDalParticipant]

EyesWide wrote: “Something is really off in our society, isn’t there?” Yes, way off; feminism and political correctness are only symptoms of the latest phase that our society is going through. All societies go through these cycles.
http://www.nature.com/news/human-cycles-history-as-science-1.11078

Scroll down to the section titled “Endless cycles.” The paragraph on “secular cycles” is what I’m driving at: No democracy has lasted longer than 200-250 years before voting itself into totalitarianism. The Western World has become a totalitarian police state. Its 250 is up. Welcome to the new age.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 5]

@roydal ^^^ So I guess the Mayan Calender WAS right after all! The world did end in 2012 when Feminism and the whores exploded. Now they are taking over and are slowly destroying our world. This sucks.

[EyesWideParticipant 5]

Yes, bingo. Women aren’t doing anything that we can respect. Princess syndrome indeed.

I notice most of the guys on here are a bit older. Well, its not any better in the younger generations either. The dating scene is completely f~~~ed. No wonder why you have the rise of Pick-up Artistry. It’s a half baked solution to a huge problem.

Women aren’t “women” anymore.

And it’s not just that – its the interaction and social stigma’s, they’ve all been turned upside down.

It’s not an exaggeration when they say that its a crime to be male. 30 years ago, a guy approaching a girl in public was a possible suitor. Now, he’s a creeper. All of me and my friends at one point in college have been called “creepy”.  Hell, I could say most of the guys I knew in college were all called creepy at one point. Even some of the really good looking alphas. It’s almost inescapable.

I’ve seen guys get thrown out of bars for doing what we’re supposed to do – hit on women and pursue. And the bouncers will do it no questions asked due to their protective instincts for the damsels in distress. Bars and the night scene is dying a slow death. You have to have perfect game in order to pick up women now. Otherwise, is going to be girls dancing/drinking with girls, and if you dare approach them you’re just some creepy dude.

That one word is destroying the physical dating scene and is pushing everyone online, where its “safer”. There, online  you have to compete with hundreds or even thousands of guys, sometimes fake accounts, where you get no initial human contact. I admit some of the features of online dating are cool and could be very useful, but it shouldn’t be used as the primary way of meeting women.

It’s f~~~ed.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Eyes Wide. Loved the intro.

Just launched an FAQ page yesterday in response to some requestions, and wrote:

It’s been said many times that it can take 1/2 a lifetime for a man to de-program himself from decades of social conditioning since the crib, but younger men are waking up and finding themselves self-aware earlier than ever. It’s not unusual anymore for a 21 year-young man to already find himself fed up and looking for answers with other like-minded men curiously wondering what the hell is going on the world – and for him to arrive here relieved it wasn’t all in his imaginings.

… so your intro really hit home.

For others, have been wanting to personally welcome everyone , but it has not been possible with production keeping us so busy. Notice the recent lurkers who came in , joined and introduced themselves after many months…. they are the men your intros affect. You can’t see them. But they are there. Your stories and experiences make a HUGE difference. Thank you for leaving them and for reading them. We read every single one.

So if you spot one with no replies yet, say a quick hi to the guy and let him know we’re all here

…. and that we roger that s~~~ loud and clear.

BIG welcome to MGTOW.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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