Silent Voting Bloc

[Anonymous 14]

Libertarianism is the only “NO” at every turn political party… Join the party, vote Libertarian.

But… As May points out, the entire system is basically a Ponzi Scheme from top to bottom that needs an ever increasing amount of rubes to keep it propped up. Literally everything is working to push us towards “more” in every way, system collapse be damned, they will plug the holes with bubblegum and scotch tape and run it till the wheels fall off. FIAT money is at the root of the problem, it is FIAT money that allows this paradigm to exist, and it is FIAT money that ensures everyone except those who break away to the top to be pushed to the bottom. So many at the top are getting insanely rich and so many poor from third world s~~~holes are living a better life once they jump the fence that the fight cannot be won by those in the middle who are getting dragged down to the bottom as wages never keep up with the rate of inflation since Nixon took us off the gold standard in 71.

In the end the U.S. will keep heading towards Elysium/Idiocracy until there are only the rulers and the ruled, no middle.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Headbanger wrote:

It’s just thoughts. Ideas for how it might be possible to resolve things in a favorable outcome.

We’re well past the point of anything ever getting fixed. Westerners are proactively destroying their own culture and society and feminism is leading the way.

You first would have to know how to “fix stupid” and that’s an issue with no resolution. Our only effective option now as MGTOWs is just to disengage and survive…

[HeadbangerParticipant 410]

Perhaps solf culture, like music can popularize the Red Pill to the point that we represent the majority.

She asked "Describe our relationship using only two words." I said "Our what!"

[HeadbangerParticipant 410]

It would allow us to reach more young people.

She asked "Describe our relationship using only two words." I said "Our what!"

[SolidParticipant 7520]

Headbanger wrote:

More specifically I’m talking about laws.

Laws are meant not to protect you, but to keep you under control.
There is no law stupid enough that the police won’t kill you to enforce.
Just take a look at this forum and you will see how many men suffered from the court injustice and how many c~~~s did a lot of s~~~ and walked free.

When I say burn down everything, I mean everything, laws included.

[SolidParticipant 7520]

Anonymous wrote:

But… As May points out, the entire system is basically a Ponzi Scheme from top to bottom that needs an ever increasing amount of rubes to keep it propped up.

Exactly brother !! They need their work horses do keep producing, live in debt so they won’t stop working until the day that they die.

Anonymous wrote:

Nixon took us off the gold standard in 71.

Money that can’t be traced to gold is their perfect weapon !! I’ve seen this documentary several times and I imagine that you too brother, but for lurkers and young members, here is a summary about how money works.

Anonymous wrote:

FIAT money is at the root of the problem

Fiat is just “infinite monopoly money”, here in Brazil we feel every year, the government needs more money, so it just print it, and if you have for example 10k in the bank, it worth 8k due to the inflation. And things keep going, in 1994 the minimum wage here was 64 BRL/month, now it is 965 BRL/month ! And as you can imagine, also the money doesn’t worth as much it used to worth, you can do about 60% with 965 BRL now, that you could with 64 BRL in 1994.

It means one thing, if you tried to use money as an escape from being a slave, bad news, now your money worth 15 times less than before, and that happened just in 24 years ! It means that for the vast majority, there is you way to retire by yourself, you will always depend on the government to give you money. This is how they keep things going, they sell their own people as slaves, play with the economy so we keep working until basically you die.

I would prefer to go back and exchange bullets/guns/medicines for things instead of using fiat just because here fiat is just bulls~~~, is a monopoly money that people believe that worth something, but in the end of the day you know that everyday you have less money than in the day before, just because fiat doesn’t worth s~~~ here.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

headbanger, have you ever heard the expression “voting with your feet”? Basically, it means abandoning a bad situation as a means of ‘voting’ to change it. Mgtow men are a giant voting bloc. Just not in the way you propose here. Let me explain…

First, not all men who are mgtow are aware that they are. They are making major decisions based on their own best interests, but have not declared themselves to be mgtow. I believe many have never even heard the term “mgtow”. But they likely have heard the terms: “divorce settlement”, “alimony”, “spousal support”, “community property”, “child support”… and they know they want no part of it. So, they are deciding not to get married. They are not doing this because they are part of any movement. No one here told them to do make that decision (though we probably would if they asked). They are each individually deciding within themselves that avoiding that s~~~ show is the right decision for them.

Right now, marriage rates in the U.S. are at the lowest that they have ever been since the statistic was first tracked in 1895. Mgtow on this site are only about 30k. But to reduce the numbers of married men from the numbers they were at 50 years ago to the numbers they are at today is MILLIONS of men just saying no and walking away from that bulls~~~. As a social institution, marriage is collapsing.

As for all the other gynocentric bulls~~~ going on out there: without the time, effort, sacrifice, taxes, skills, and risk that men make, the rest fo the system (not just marriage) will also collapse. Women alone are incapable of organizing, building, and running a successful government, corporation, or even a sports team. Men do these things all the time. Maybe there are enough blue pill men out there willing to keep doing these things for lying, larcenous, hypergamous women to keep this s~~~ show going. Maybe not. Maybe there’s some way for a gynocentric government to continue convincing men, or forcing them, to do these things. Maybe not. For me, it doesn’t really matter much. I’ve already cast the vote that I needed to make.

A couple months after my divorce, my ex realized that earning money and paying bills is actually pretty hard. She called me and asked if I would be willing to ‘give it another try’. I said ‘no’, and she’s been living on the verge of bankruptcy and homelessness ever since. I’ve increased my net worth every year since, and am ready to retire anytime.

I already voted.

That was my vote.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

Headbanger wrote:

how about we go silently trying to make change every time that there’s a vote?

Voting with your feet and voting with your dollars are much more effective.

[xanthineParticipant 4903]

Vote with your feet. Men are more valuable than women and liberals, because we have jobs and run society. So if we don’t participate, their system breaks down.

[LastManStandingParticipant 639]

as said above, even if we had a voting block, I just don’t care enough to try and “save” this ship from sinking. I will most likely never vote again.

[AutoliteParticipant]

BrainPilot wrote:

First, not all men who are mgtow are aware that they are. They are making major decisions based on their own best interests, but have not declared themselves to be mgtow. I believe many have never even heard the term “mgtow”. But they likely have heard the terms: “divorce settlement”, “alimony”, “spousal support”, “community property”, “child support”… and they know they want no part of it. So, they are deciding not to get married.

As I and others have already said, as Western men walk away from marriage and family, the governments just import non-Western immigrant men to compensate.

BrainPilot wrote:

As for all the other gynocentric bulls~~~ going on out there: without the time, effort, sacrifice, taxes, skills, and risk that men make, the rest fo the system (not just marriage) will also collapse.

As I and others have already said, as Western men walk away from the work force and social obligations, the governments just import non-Western immigrant men to compensate.

Western men going MGTOW are easily replaced by non-Western, non-MGTOW immigrant men. It’s actually happening now as we speak and you’re not seeing this???

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

Autolite wrote:

As I and others have already said, as Western men walk away from marriage and family, the governments just import non-Western immigrant men to compensate.

And look at how well that’s working out for them.

Western men going MGTOW are easily replaced by non-Western, non-MGTOW immigrant men.

Except they aren’t. The really aren’t. Because it’s not a matter of mere numbers. And such immigrations schemes only hasten social collapse.

[AutoliteParticipant]

sidecar wrote:

Except they aren’t. The really aren’t. Because it’s not a matter of mere numbers. And such immigrations schemes only hasten social collapse.

Well the “social collapse” of Western society is actually the goal of most Western leaders. As MGTOWs, what possible chance do we have of unf~~~ing this situation when it’s what the Western electorate have voted for???

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Anonymous wrote:

This is one effect mgtow has on the future economic outcome. declining birth rate effects education spending, no kids, no need for schools and teachers. military budgeting, no kids, no future soldiers makes fighting wars more difficult. no kids, no need for toys and kid/baby stuff no more toys r us. women not marrying, debts go up, credit cards thrive.

This is the giant form of power we well earning men already have without even a need to vote.

Use it.

Don’t play the game and starve the entire system.

Starve the f~~~tards, their “industries” and their voters into the ground.

Learn a useful profession that will be needed after s~~~ hits the fan.

Then again, your profession will be your personal power.

You will then write the bills and set your conditions no matter “who” is president at the moment.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[NoMoreParticipant 1233]

We are not and will never be a major voting bloc. Half the population are women. Only a very small percentage of men subscribe to MGTOW views. We are an easily maligned and ignored sliver of society. Just look at the cognitive dissonance society has with denouncing body shaming, gender fluidity acceptance, 3rd wave feminism and contrast it to their gleeful commentary of MGTOWs as sexless neck beards living in their parent’s basement.

While MGTOW is a response to the gender biased socio-legal environment. I doubt it contributes meaningfully to the drop in the marriage rate. I contribute the drop in marriage rates to poor financial situation, prolonged adolescence (20 somethings are the new irresponsible teenagers), and mostly the proliferation and acceptance of narcissism through social media and advertising.

At best, MGTOW will be seen as the ignored ‘canary in the coal mine.’ Many other groups tried this, native Americans and African Americans come to mind. They tried to form communities and wanted to be left alone. It didn’t end well for them and they were much larger groups than we are.

That same tactic won’t result in long term change because we aren’t even analogous to groups of native Americans or African Americans. They suffered indiscriminately because of how they were born. MGTOWs suffer because how they chose to be. Because we choose to go our own way and are not ‘born this way’ we are fair game for ridicule and subjugation. Because males have historically been on the top of the power struggle, carte blanche is given to any who would bring them down, despite the glaring hypocracies.

As history is told by the victors, MGTOW will be eternally castigated as a group of entitled men who were upset that they lost their fortunes and fate delivered their penance.

The upside is that on an individual level, each one of us will find happiness in our lives. We will enjoy going our own way. I know that I am breathing the freshest of air than I have in a long time.

A co-worker recently told me, "If you want to see who someone really is, divorce them." I have found out how true this is. When your wife drops the façade of being the caring partner, you will witness all of the greed, hate, and spite that she has masked. It is truly breathtaking!

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

LastManStanding wrote:

as said above, even if we had a voting block, I just don’t care enough to try and “save” this ship from sinking. I will most likely never vote again.

It is not saving the sinking ship,…but keeping the ship from f~~~ing you over every time you turn around.

Vote. If not for yourself for the other brothers who are young and just figuring out the system. A few votes can bring change.

mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

[HeadbangerParticipant 410]

Unfortunately, I don’t think that Americans will stand up and say no, no matter how bad it gets.

She asked "Describe our relationship using only two words." I said "Our what!"

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

Headbanger wrote:

Perhaps solf culture, like music can popularize the Red Pill to the point that we represent the majority. It would allow us to reach more young people.

Look at marriage statistics. We already are the majority, even if the majority doesn’t realize it.

And feminism is already advertising the red pill quite nicely without our assistance.

Autolite wrote:

Well the “social collapse” of Western society is actually the goal of most Western leaders.

Not really. It might seem like that’s their goal, but in reality their goal is merely more short term power for themselves. They aren’t far sighted enough to see, much less plan for, social collapse (and the economic collapse that goes with it). They are idiots elected by idiots.

As MGTOWs, what possible chance do we have of unf~~~ing this situation when it’s what the Western electorate have voted for???

Why would we want to?

Let it all burn. It will unf~~~ itself automatically in the coming dark age.

[Anonymous 6]

sidecar wrote:

Headbanger wrote:

Perhaps solf culture, like music can popularize the Red Pill to the point that we represent the majority. It would allow us to reach more young people.

Look at marriage statistics. We already are the majority, even if the majority doesn’t realize it.

And feminism is already advertising the red pill quite nicely without our assistance.

While I’m not too sure about that 1st line of yours the second one is VERY true. I work with a couple of guys who openly ridicule feminism. They know nothing of MGTOW, I’ve asked. They just want to be left alone and go about their business and maybe get laid every once in awhile. Thanks feminism!

[AutoliteParticipant]

sidecar wrote:

Not really. It might seem like that’s their goal, but in reality their goal is merely more short term power for themselves. They aren’t far sighted enough to see, much less plan for, social collapse (and the economic collapse that goes with it). They are idiots elected by idiots.

It seems you haven’t paid too much attention to Justin Turdeau, Canada’s Prime Minister. He constantly preaches the “Diversity is our strength” and “Canada is a post national nation” horses~~~!

He’s quite open about his efforts to obliterate Western society. He’s actually proud of himself…

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