Should we have an unplugging section?

[DurdenParticipant 1051]

Going your own way  has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years. It’s simplistic definition is that woman are not  worth the effort past a certain measure. Only recently that a term has come about for this lifestyle choice. Just as the red pill is truth that has been disguised for the benefit of the few it was common knowledge.It is slowly being issued out as a profound revelation.

There are various degrees of the red pill. If we are simply discussing women,than all we are coming to understand is the true nature of women. Which is often the case at this website as opinions are so often censored criticizing women. Never the less I am a strong believer in that before a man can GTOW they must understand the red pill as it pertains to women and have accepted it. I often see men who have not fully swallowed the red pill discussing women’s actions as shocking. I knew when I was first swallowing the red pill they were. Now they are just . A nature of things in a given environment. Much like the wind.

Most men who sign up for this site have taken the red pill and swallowed. They know the true nature of things. Are appalled but not surprised. But there are also others. Much like we used to be. Those in Monk mode. They have thrown off the shackles but still the anger lingers. Upset they have been lied to, as they should be. But they are not MGTOW yet and therefore it is dangerous to force them to be. As the MGTOW becomes better understood and defined we will reach a large section of those individuals who simply don’t know what they want. We will be a large hub for those just discovering the pill. I don’t have the answer but I do believe we should direct them. I know I would like to have had it. Do we send out men who have finally discovered the red pill mocking them or guide them? I personally believe this would add a whole dynamic that would be unstoppable because this could be a huge MGTOW and the largest place for unplugging as we save lives.

 

It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything

[RedHeadedStrangerParticipant 204]

I’ve only been on this site for a few days.  So I may be speaking out of turn.  I agree with your sentiment that we guide – and not mock – newcomers who are curious and haven’t accepted the truth.  However, this site is for red-pill men only.  And I like that aspect a lot.

Yesterday, a young man came into the intro section, stated his position, and asked if he was in the right place (he clearly wasn’t; so he got blasted pretty fast and hard).  I think we, as a community, could have handled it a little better.  After talking to him for a bit, I saw that he wasn’t one of us, and politely pointed him in a direction I thought would be best.  If he would have stayed to troll us, I’d have unloaded on his ass.  He didn’t.  He left.  He might be back in 7-10 years.  Who knows.

Though the idea has merit, I don’t think we need a section.  I think that we need to simply take the time to talk to them as they wonder in.

But then again, my newb opinion should carry little weight with the mods.  If they go for your idea, I’ll be happy to help ya out in there.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

I wonder if it is even possible to help a man understand these things without him experiencing them. The desire for vagina is so hardcoded in our genes, it literally takes a man two decades or more of beating his head on a wall looking for a NAWALT, practicing game, etc, before he finally says “I give up, it isn’t worth it – if it is even possible(a meaningful bond)”, and goes his own way.

My sensei used to tell me I was still in my “stupid years” when I was younger than 30 years old. Approaching 40, I am starting to understand. Men either grasp this s~~~ or they don’t. To a younger man if you told him all women are disgusting, weak, stupid, promiscuous, boring, gold digging whores he will pull back and think you are exaggerating. He will refuse to take the pill. His brainwashing and genetic programming won’t allow him to swallow it.

With that said, an “unplugging” section might be good. There will be a few wise younger men that will attempt to learn from our mistakes. Although many of the sections here cover “unplugging”, I think a section that has lots of facts, such as divorce rates, sexual numbers of women, suicide rate of men left wrecked from these toxic relationships would be good.

A good example of it that started me down the path was this webpage here:

Why I Will Never Marry An American Woman

It got me to realize the statistics of divorce and suicide and/or financial devastation of men by these creatures. For a while I thought a foreign woman was the answer, but today I know the only real answer is MGTOW. A section with lots of highly relevant articles and facts couldn’t hurt, basically like a “sticky” section.

[AFTParticipant 2726]

I know I quote this guy a fair bit, but this was put up today, and I think its worth putting in this thread.

http://therationalmale.com/2015/05/12/the-dangers-of-the-red-pill/

“The Rule

NEO: I can’t go back, can I?

MORPHEUS: No. But if you could, would you really want to? I feel that I owe you an apology. There is a rule that we do not free a mind once it reaches a certain age. It is dangerous. They have trouble letting go. Their mind turns against them. I’ve seen it happen. I’m sorry. I broke the rule because I had to.

You’ll have to forgive my using the Matrix metaphor, but every time I’m tempted to awaken a man I think may desperately need the truth of Red Pill awareness I’m reminded of this exchange. I understand why this would be a rule. Granted, I’ve broken it myself many times; usually when I think a man is a danger to himself, but I do so with the knowing that I’ll need to invest myself personally in his conditions and that’s where that cautious hesitation comes from.”

MGTOW have a responsibility to guide and assist, but I suppose Purple Pillers have a duty to be respectful and humble, I don’t know of the exchange that was mentioned earlier, so I won’t comment. I received support and advise that helped me greatly, at a time I most needed it, but I truly desired understanding, perhaps I really needed to accept the ugliness of reality, and the constant reinforcement helped me really see this.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[RoyDalParticipant]

RedHeadedStranger wrote:

Yesterday, a young man came into the intro section, stated his position, and asked if he was in the right place (he clearly wasn’t; so he got blasted pretty fast and hard).  I think we, as a community, could have handled it a little better.  After talking to him for a bit, I saw that he wasn’t one of us, and politely pointed him in a direction I thought would be best.

Definitely we should welcome men who wander in out of curiosity and mean no harm. Being unkind is good for nobody.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

That was a good read, AFT

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

I do not want this to sound like a disagreement to what you are suggesting Durden and to an extent I do agree that there is perhaps more we could do and that we could perhaps handle some interactions better.

As for the outreach portion I would say this site actually does a lot of that. There are various articles to read and videos to watch, the content exists. Now it may be that you are wanting something more like a specific outreach team that could find these people and guide them and unfortunately I am not sure how well that would work. We have on this site a huge number of very talented writers but as has been pointed out to me several times this is not a movement in a traditional sense. We are not a group of people who as a group are trying to make a change we are a group of individuals on individual paths that happen to lead in a similar direction. What you propose sounds more like MRA work which I do not disagree with but I think that this community as it exists from MGTOW.com is not that type of group.

Despite these seeming limitations it was this site that helped me finally move into full red pill. I will admit that I had been heading that way already but to steal from the Matrix once again you never see them trying to wake people who are not looking to be awakened. Anyone who comes here looking for the truth will find it and anyone who comes here and cannot handle the truth will shut down and leave without ever even noticing that the light was on.

Secondly when it comes to the interactions I have seen with people who come here but are not really looking for the truth or are not ready for the truth you are correct that they are spotted quickly and generally given the boot however by and large this is not necessarily a bad thing. Any coddling is bad for them and us as a community. They had ample opportunity before joining to view our forums as well as the articles and videos and if they do that and still come in here knowing this is not the place for them then they should get the brush off. We have an amazingly low standard for joining but the bar is also immeasurably high. All we really ask is that you be a MAN who is willing to see the truth and yet so few are willing to measure up to these very reasonable guidelines, anyone who comes in here that cannot do that should be shown the door.

Red-Headed Stranger I did not happen to see the thread of which you speak so I do not have a specific opinion on what happened I am speaking in generalities from what I have seen so please do not take this as a contradiction to what you witnessed as I have no place to do so without having seen it myself.

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[RedHeadedStrangerParticipant 204]

Lazarus Long wrote:

Red-Headed Stranger: I did not happen to see the thread of which you speak so I do not have a specific opinion on what happened I am speaking in generalities from what I have seen so please do not take this as a contradiction to what you witnessed as I have no place to do so without having seen it myself.

heh it was no biggie, was really kinda funny.  like a version of whack-a-mole; one with days between sightings, heh, Squirrel!  and once everyone figured out he was sincere, and not trolling, we helped him.

[DurdenParticipant 1051]

Thank you all for the input. I was seeing some members having a hard time swallowing the pill and it just made me wonder if we could do more to help them out. But all of you pointed it out and I had to be reminded that it takes time.

 

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