Should MGTOW exploit Underground Economy?

[hollowtipsParticipant 681]

I saw this youtube video recently about the underground economy (otherwise known as the black market) and compelling numbers were being crunched big time by people making their own rules.
For those of you who don’t know underground economy ranges to anything from selling vegetables you grew in your garden, to selling drugs on the street corner. Making t-shirts, cooking at private events, doing services for others (usually by cash without paying taxes for it).

Now let me say this before I got any further, taxes are both good and bad and while I believe in them things are a lot more unfair now compared to when baby boomers were young adults. They allow all kind of city projects and services to be paid for like police and paramedics and s~~~. At the same time the government tends to do a very mediocre job of spending the money to take care of it’s citizens. And the government has a bad history with corruption in almost any country.

This might ethically go against a lot of MGTOW people on here but to be completely honest at the same time most social programs and s~~~ benefit woman the most in our society. Police make our streets safer for woman and families, men barely need protection especially in western society. Things like maternity leave, woman only homeless shelters and gyms are popping up everywhere and often your tax money is assisting them whether you want it to or not.

Also things like on Craigslist and Kijiji are often examples of underground economy sites. When you sell tickets you bought for a greater price for example, or you sell an old couch to someone you’re becoming a part of the underground economy.

At any rate I’m 22 years old and about to launch a digital album, I’ve become very interested in this topic very quickly.

Here’s a few links about the subject in Canada. Underground economy ironically expanded during the recession in 2008.
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/blogs-and-comment/how-big-is-canadas-underground-economy-42-billion/
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/nwsrm/fctshts/2015/m05/fs150501-eng.html

[HitmanParticipant]

absolutely.
private enterprise is to be taken advantage of as much as possible.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

hollowtips wrote:

selling vegetables you grew in your garden

If they come and bitch to me about that, i’m going to outright shoot them.

And yes, exploit it why not?

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

There comes a point where taxes are so high that increasing the tax rate will lower taxes revenue. Its called tge Laffer curve. People just start going to the black market and incentive or ambition is sucked out of the workforce. Canada, I believe, passed that point a while ago. It is just hidden because they are taxed from multiple sources. I did the math before and it was over 60% of my income going to tax, closer to 70. 38% income tax, 13% sales tax, 3% property tax, hidden taxes on imports and gas, sin taxes on alcohol, license fees, license plates, etc etc. Then there’s insurance which you have to have by law. If people took the time to see what they’re losing and getting in return, they’d leave or go underground like I did.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

White Economy: corporate driven wage based employment and consumer retail purchasing. You work, you get paid, you pay taxes, you shop, you purchase, you pay more taxes.

Black Economy: illicit production and trade in clearly illegal goods and services. Guns, drugs, prostitution, protection rackets, hit men, chop shops, human trafficking, piracy, fencing stolen goods, copyright infringement, etc etc.

Grey Economy: everything in between… including but certainly not limited to barter, selling your back yard tomatoes, garage sales, trading ass for grass, buying used s~~~ on eBay, friends discounts at bars and restaurants, car share systems, giving your buddy pizza to help you move, borrowing your neighbor’s lawnmower rather than buying your own, children’s lemonade stands, anything that happens on Craig’s List, most street meat vendors, letting a chick live in your house rent free in exchange for blow jobs… basically any economic activity that is not strictly illegal but which is difficult or impossible for governments to regulate and tax.

Everyone should exploit grey economies… and anyone with guts and nothing to loose will probably exploit black ones as well, as that’s where there is real money to be made.

Furthermore and far more importantly; no matter how clean, fair and equitable a society is, it can not exist without shady markets. There are simply too many goods and services that can not trade hands in broad daylight that are required for a society to function. Anyone who believes otherwise… who thinks you can have a Babylon 5 without a “downbelow”… is delusional.

[Anonymous 42]

Black market? Is there any other kind?

When people say “job” are they talking about all those empty mills and factories that moved to China? Do they mean all those government positions that require a bulls~~~ gender studies degree? Are they talking about collision repair shops stifled with anti-theft paper work from the state, and cheesy insurance adjusters whittling away any profits at the cost of having the car cobbled back together instead of repaired correctly? Or the construction industry that stands around going broke while millions of government and abandoned properties dilapidated into condemnation?

Those kind of jobs un-employments?

These days a clean dollar is dirty, and a dirty dollar is clean!

I like my money SPARKLING CLEAN in such a DIRTY FILTHY economy!

[alchemistParticipant 484]

I only ever had one “above ground” job, it was for a total bitch. The pay was good but I was happier being homeless than working for a bitch.
The only reason I will conform to taxation is to avoid jail. That’s it, only because I am threatened with imprisonment.

Life motto: live like there is no government.
After a while you realize something … there never was.

[ShinyParticipant 2307]

hollowtips wrote:

men barely need protection especially in western society.

Sorry to pick you up on that but most victims of crime are men.

Anyway, I am a big fan of bartering, that makes a lot of sense to me. Studies have suggested there was no inflation in early and medieval economies that relied on bartering – a pig cost 5 bags of wheat in 1000BC, and it cost 5 bags of wheat in 1000AD. The pig isn’t going to cost 3% more each year because ‘inflation’, because the wheat guy would want 3% more too, so it evens out. Inflation came with money as a useful tool.

Capitalism needs growth to exist, so our central banks (those arbiters of all that is good and fair and decent) deliberately aim to keep inflation within a certain band – not to eradicate it, so people can get ahead in real terms, but to keep it going in a manageable way so that people only have the illusion of getting ahead. Wages go up %3 and you say, “I have a pay rise!’ but everything else goes up 3% as well.

So in a nutshell – yes, barter, ebay, go for it. There’s no victim but a flawed corrupt system that should have been overthrown after the GFC.

Further reading – Mark Twain demonstrates all this in Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, and the somewhat recent movie In Time with Justin Timberlake (bizarrely enough) lays bare the entire myth of inflation – prices always have to rise to keep the proles turning up to their jobs. If everyone was rich, everyone would stay home with their feet up and society would collapse. Ergo, our labour holds up the privileged few, who have deliberately set it up that way. What a f~~~ed system – opt out if you can.

[AttonParticipant]

Money made from taxation as you said goes straight to women. It is a system of oppression up held with violence to discriminate against men by use of there own resources. No harm can be done by avoiding it other than the violence of goverment. It is also entirely possible to donate to worth while organizations making better use of that money.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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