Should I thank a Blue Piller?

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

I’ve been thinking, while I would love for every man on the planet to go red pill, I don’t think that will ever happen between society, women, and our natural instincts to f~~~ women. I just don’t think it will ever happen, too many white knights and manginas working against us. But then I thought, should I thank them? Because surely if more men went mgtow, that would cause more legislation, shaming, social consequences against us for some truly oppressive s~~~, like slave days type s~~~. So, thanks to all these idiot blue pillers, manginas and white knights, I am able to do what I want with my life, and as long as the herd of clueless guys keeps the status quo, I’m not really a threat, I can fly under the radar and ghost and be totally happy with life and if confronted about my mgtow status by women and manginas, I can play off things like\
-Why I will never marry
-Why I don’t have a girlfriend
-Why I won’t be some workhorse for some bitch.

I can just shrug it off and pretend to be your average sap. I guess what I’m saying is, Having a herd of dumbasses allows me to blend in. If there was no herd, I might be exposed. So what do you all think? Do you ever think mgtow will go big one day? Do you think we should thank blue pillers?

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[The Skank SpankerParticipant 1372]

While I get your point of view, I must say I disagree.

I actually think the blue-pillers are enablers and constructors of an even more men-shaming society. They give away their masculinity to women, handling over the power to them. This will act as an on-going downfall for men as a whole. Atleast if we would all go red-pill today, we could make a difference. We could tell society we basically won’t stand for any further anti-men rules and legislation’s.

The whole fact we are “under the radar” as you say changes nothing to for us and society. Only a massive herd of red-pillers can stop this ongoing process of diminishing real men. Red-pillers are just a spick of dust compared to the massive blue-pill herd out there.

We should just all check out of marriage and go red-pill to make a true change. If not, society will grow more and more in favor of women. And we have the blue-pill herd to THANK for that.

And the sad truth is, the majority of the blue-pill herd either has no b~~~~ neither wisdom to go red-pill.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

books like men on strike, should wake any men from his blue pill fantasy, that truth is out there, men just need to do some research,

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

What I’m saying is, I’d love a red pill society, but knowing what you know about manginas, white knights, and feminists, and how society thinks men can do no good, do any of you honestly think that will happen? Do you think with everything being stacked against us, all women and most other men being against you, do you think society will? Maybe I’m being pessimistic, but I don’t. It’s not fair, and they’re a bunch of willfully ignorant fools, but these idiots run the world and have such a hold on men and women that it seems highly unlikely.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I have to admit that I am conflicted about this.

I have told a friend and colleague that we should be grateful to the idiots who refuse to educate themselves or who drop out of economic society because it reduces the number of people in the race and makes it easier for those of us who are competing to get to the finish line in one piece. At this point in my life, however, I’m not even sure I’m willing to stand behind this statement any more, much less support the idea that blue pill men provide cover for MGTOW by taking the heat from females that would (will) eventually fall to us once they figure out what we’re doing.

On the other hand, I strongly believe that MGTOW is not about trying to precipitate positive change in the relationship between men and women. I think the whole idea of even hoping that going back to “how things were” is possible is inherently blue pill. I do not see any future where a significant number of men going their own way is going to shock females into becoming NAWALTS. On the contrary, the more men who go their own way, the worse things are going to get until such time as socie collapses entirely and a new order arises.

In short, I believe we are in a sort of “golden age” of MGTOW in which we possess a social mutation that grants us the ability to rise above the fray as it is now, but as that mutation spreads, the benefits it confers in the short term will fade and, eventually, the whole of society will either collapse completely or change into something that we can barely imagine.

If you want to spread the word of MGTOW, by all means do so… but do so knowing that we are not going back to some idealized society where females treat men with admiration and respect. We’re almost certainly moving forward to some new social order where the relationship between men and women is hostile or worse..

I see three possible outcomes:

1) females take over the surface of consumer society and men retreat into the industrial shadows, Eloi and Morlock style.
2) men are completely enslaved by an establishment of matriarchy and guys like us are hunted down and “re-educated”
3) men from another culture sweep in, take our country and re-establish a strict patriarchy

In none of these scenarios do any of us ever get to have kind hearted, loving girlfriends who support us emotionally, respect us economically and stay faithful to us sexually. Either they crush us, we crush them or we all go our own ways. What a female going “her own way” would look like, I can’t say, but there it is.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

That’s what I’m saying, Doc. I think a lot of us have to come to terms with reality. Society in general doesn’t care about men as much as women. They never have, and never will. This goes for women and men. We’re biologically wired to be this way. I think mgtow is something we all discover for ourselves, hell, alot of guys are mgtow, and don’t evern know what that terms means, hell, I didn’t for a long ass time.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Silverstone the Second wrote:

I’ve been thinking, while I would love for every man on the planet to go red pill, I don’t think that will ever happen between society, women, and our natural instincts to f~~~ women.

You are right. Most men simply cannot shake off their base instincts. They will obey their genetic programming. Thus is our species propagated.

Wolf redpillman wrote:

men just need to do some research,

And leave their comfort zones? Ain’t gonna happen!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[The Skank SpankerParticipant 1372]

@roydal

Fact is, men are also wired to go their own way besides our natural instinct to f~~~ women.

Biologic programming has given us the ability to fertilize thousand’s of women in a man’s lifetime. A couple of thousand years ago there wasn’t such a thing as marriage. Men would just go around and f~~~ hundreds of women (if they could). Marriage is just some stupid female invention that society has cultivated, nothing more. Hypergamy was the way to go, monogamy is something cultural.

[The Skank SpankerParticipant 1372]

RoyDal wrote:

Silverstone II wrote:

I’ve been thinking, while I would love for every man on the planet to go red pill, I don’t think that will ever happen between society, women, and our natural instincts to f~~~ women.

You are right. Most men simply cannot shake off their base instincts. They will obey their genetic programming. Thus is our species propagated.

mgtowisthatonlyway wrote:

men just need to do some research,

And leave their comfort zones? Ain’t gonna happen!

Fact is, men are also wired to go their own way besides our natural instinct to f~~~ women.

Biologic programming has given us the ability to fertilize thousand’s of women in a man’s lifetime. A couple of thousand years ago there wasn’t such a thing as marriage. Men would just go around and f~~~ hundreds of women (if they could). Marriage is just some stupid female invention that society has cultivated, nothing more. Hypergamy was the way to go, monogamy is something cultural.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22589]

The Skank Spanker wrote:

Biologic programming has given us the ability to fertilize thousand’s of women in a man’s lifetime.

I disagree. MGTOW would not exist if this is true.

Men do have standards. Most men have been taught to have low standards when is comes to dating women. But, men still have standards. Most men are not going to sleep with someone that presents an intimidate threat of injury, or threat to their life.

And western women have been taught to have such high standards in a lover that no person on Earth could meet those standards.

Based on instinct, men and women both are neither truly monogamous, nor promiscuous. Humans are usually just taught to act one way or other. But, there is a middle ground for this.

When humans search for a relations, they can be promiscuous. But, most humans, men and women form a relationship. For very reasons, from sexual desire, to stable and secure environment, to personal needs, those in a relationship, at first, try to make the relationship work, and those in a relationship will not immediately cheat on their lover. But, over time that can change, as one or both members of the relationship start to feel their relationship is not working, and they look else where for what they need.

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