Should I get into Libertarianism?

[sandriderParticipant 3]

Hello brothers!

This is my first post as I took the red pill very recently. Deciding not to participate in the matriarchy has coincided with an overall shift in my thinking towards more individualist philosophy. I used to be a hardcore socialist, because I believe everyone should have the necessities of life. However, I’m starting to think that having the state take care of that is a bad idea. I volunteer for several charities and I don’t see why voluntary non-profits like these couldn’t look after those who desperately need it.

I am very intrigued by .libertarians. I absolutely love their desires to legalize drugs and prostitution, and get out of the wars. I agree fundamentally with the core principle, at least if I understand it correctly: people should be able to do whatever they want as long as they are not harming others, ie) doing anything to others against their will.

So what do you guys think? Are you proponents of libertarian philosophy? Any authors, youtubers, or other sources you recommend?

[RoyDalParticipant]

Watch the video in the thread titled: The human farm

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

I would recommend checking out Reason magazine or Reason online.

Libertarians oppose ‘croney capitalism’ just as they oppose unions being enshrined into law. With all this freedom from laws, employers could even practice discrimination — though their competitors who do not, would benefit.

As for fiat currency, the dollar has depreciated 96% since the Federal Reserve was established just over a century ago. Abolishing the Fed. and competitive currencies are typical libertarian positions.

Libertarians advocate a lot more than drug legalization. Shrinking government 90% or more would mean an increased role for charities and civil society. And an end to foreign adventurism like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Libertarian or individualist feminists like Wendy McElroy are from a different planet than Statist 3rd wave feminists. They don’t believe in rape culture, patriarchy or special privileges. Watch libertarian McElroy’s debate with Jessica Valenti.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Actually, libertarians don’t believe in a minimum wage period — let alone increases in it. Just as we don’t believe in bailouts like TARP, or Ponzi schemes like social security. High minimum wages create barriers to entry for low skill workers — the higher the minimum, the greater the unemployment rate. Markets should set wages, not politicians. Once someone is employed they typically grow in responsibility and wages.

As for croney capitalism, I have protested with libertarians against it — special deals for certain industries, bailouts, etc.

Raising wages may sound good in principle, but without increases in productivity it can only lead to inflation and increased prices. My employer only hires me because I produce more than what he must pay me in a free market.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

We’ve seen libertarian nirvana. It’s sixteen hour days, child labor, miners lung unrecompensed etc. Libertarians forget history and every facet of intentional labor reforms. You’re a historically ignorant zealot, falling for something created by neocins in the 80s. Id rather go back to mercantilism. That’s why I’m a trump guy.

Were there not 16 hour days and child labor on farms prior to the industrial revolution, intensive agriculture, and migration to the cities? Who recompensed these workers for injuries?

Did labor unions create an 8 hour day, or did increased economic productivity? I’d argue increased productivity caused it.

I would argue that early organized labor DID result in some improvements in workplace safety. Nowadays, it’s all about wages and benefits, and paying people based on how long they’ve been employed instead of performance. The Teacher’s unions are classic examples. I have nothing against unions, I just don’t believe they should be enshrined into law — so if an employer wants to fire me because I’m in a union or an organizer, they should be allowed to do so.

I work in a highly regulated industry, and have worked for companies that have had fires, severe burns, explosions, and other personnel injuries. So I take worker safety very seriously. When a company has an accident, it costs a huge sum of money, damages their reputation and potentially their customer base, and makes it difficult to attract good employees So companies are trying to avoid accidents, regardless of government rules.

Libertarianism was not created by ‘neocons’; you’re mixing up your political philosophies and mis-representing them as a result: libertarianism was created by Locke. I suppose you could argue F. A. Hayek created modern libertarianism by writing ‘The Road to Serfdom’ in the early 194o’s. Let’s see. Neocons believe in: The Drug War, Foreign Wars, fiat currency, and corporatism. I can’t say I’ve ever met a libertarian who believe in ANY of that.

The issue I have with mercantilism is the protectionist components: Firms cannot produce most efficiently because they’re locked out of foreign markets by excessive import duties or other protectionist measures. It isn’t the most efficient system, as a result.

As for the ‘historically ignorant’ comment you directed at me, please present the evidence that libertarian philosophy is an offshoot of the neocon movement of the 1980’s as you assert, and explain how the leading libertarian magazine, Reason, was founded in 1968.

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