Should I call people out?

[IgnisParticipant 157]

Hello guys.

I have a question, but first I would like to explain from where it comes.

Since I took the red pill and decided to be a MGTOW I started seeing almost everything around me with new eyes.

I think people (men in general) are afraid of being themselves. Afraid of telling what they think about someone in front of that persons face. They dont want to say how they feel because people will call them “selfish”, “pussy” , “inmature” or some s~~~ like that to make themselves feel guilty or a bad person for saying “bad things” to another human.

I hang out with a group of friends and two of them  p~~~ me off sometimes. I just want to tell them how much some of they attitudes annoy me. For example:

When we organize a meeting to hang out the girl tells me to be at the appointed time, because I sometimes arrive a few minutes later. She tells me this as it where annoying for her but then she is the one who is late. I can´t stand this kinds of attitude. I already tell her in front of everyone “the next time try to be on time, and don´t tell me to be punctual if you are the one who is going to be late”

I get angry, but in the eyes of the others (three girls and  two guys) I look like a inmature because I get angry.

Then is the other guy who bosses everyone around. When he does it to me I get really p~~~ed off. But is the same thing. I just want to shut them up without sounding angry. I want that no one bother me for thinking the way I think.

I know him pretty well, and I know that he does this because he want to play “the strong guy” But I just can´t stand him when he does that. I just want to know if there is some way to deal with these situations. Hypocrit people annoy me. I want to call out on their bulls~~~ without triggering their mouths, but if there is no other way to do it I really don´t care. I don´t want to shut up and swallow the things I want to say.

I noticed this since I started to think the things I want for my own. How can it be that there are people who can´t live without bother the others with their childish behaviors? I do not want to accept this s~~~ or play dumb. I dont´t want that people treat me the way they like just because they are insecure or inmature.

Hope you can help me.

 

Best regards and sorry for my english.

 

 

[jambearParticipant 282]

Well you are not wrong in your assessment of the situation so I will offer some points .

I think people (men in general) are afraid of being themselves. Afraid of telling what they think about someone in front of that persons face. They dont want to say how they feel because people will call them “selfish”, “pussy” , “inmature” or some s~~~ like that to make themselves feel guilty or a bad person for saying “bad things” to another human.

This is true for blue pill men. As society has deemed it unfashionable to express your feelings if you are a man you will be ridiculed for them. Unfortunately you can not do much outside of finding like minded people. Or convert some 🙂

When we organize a meeting to hang out the girl tells me to be at the appointed time, because I sometimes arrive a few minutes later. She tells me this as it where annoying for her but then she is the one who is late. I can´t stand this kinds of attitude. I already tell her in front of everyone “the next time try to be on time, and don´t tell me to be punctual if you are the one who is going to be late”

I get angry, but in the eyes of the others (three girls and  two guys) I look like a inmature because I get angry.

Your mistake was trying to reason and employ logic wit ha woman. This is a big no-no as it will not gain you anything, and you might possibly blow up her hamster wheel. If it was me I would have overtly ignored the comment with a ” Whats the plan?” to someone else.

Not specific to this comment but try to limit your anger to only things that deserve it. And a woman rarely is worth such emotions.

Then is the other guy who bosses everyone around. When he does it to me I get really p~~~ed off. But is the same thing. I just want to shut them up without sounding angry. I want that no one bother me for thinking the way I think.

I know him pretty well, and I know that he does this because he want to play “the strong guy” But I just can´t stand him when he does that. I just want to know if there is some way to deal with these situations. Hypocrit people annoy me. I want to call out on their bulls~~~ without triggering their mouths, but if there is no other way to do it I really don´t care. I don´t want to shut up and swallow the things I want to say.

Most betas try to alpha up in the presence of females. This is also something you can not do much about it unless you want to put some leg work in. You have to ask yourself if these 2 guys are worth your time (the woman obviously are not) and try to show them the MGTOW point if view. If they take to it then the situation will resolve itself if not then you have to evaluate if their continued friendship is worth the aggravation.

I noticed this since I started to think the things I want for my own. How can it be that there are people who can´t live without bother the others with their childish behaviors? I do not want to accept this s~~~ or play dumb. I dont´t want that people treat me the way they like just because they are insecure or inmature.

Unless someone is holding a gun to your head their is not many reasons to stay in a bad situation that makes you feel like crap. No one has the right to treat you badly. If you can not reform them then the best way may be to distance yourself from them. That is your decision though.

As for when you should or should not call someone out it is hard to say but as a rule of thumb. If you have something to gain from your continued interactions with said person then by all means try to help them. If not then what is the point? Just never call them out in public, it rarely goes well and you will have a better success rate if you do it privately.

Hopefully I gave you some insight into your dilemma.

 

[IgnisParticipant 157]

You really helped me with your answer.
I feel good knowing that Im not the crazy one for feeling bad about attitudes like these.
I will read again what you said to understand it better.

Thanks a lot!

[GmanParticipant 6]

Your story reminds me of an incident I was involved with a few years ago. I was riding road bikes and racing some, group rides, some girls participated. There was this one girl who kept telling guys “hold your line!”, “hold your line!”…on curves and turns. I found her very irksome and one day I simply dove across in front of her catching her front tire with my back wheel crashing the bitch. I had had enough of her s~~~ testing chip on her shoulder bulls~~~ and figured if she wanted to play a man’s game I would show her how. Well, she crashed, skinned her elbow severely, scrapped a knee and f~~~ed up her bike. One guy tried to play hero and rode up threatening to “kick my ass” because I caused her to crash. He backed down and resorted to calling me a duschebag when he realized he was about to get f~~~ed up severely. She tried to press charges against me but they didn’t stick because the waiver she signed to participate in the ride protected me. A few weeks later she called me “apologizing” and said, “I want to get to know you better”. WTF?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ignis.

This is one of my favorite topics. It started a few years ago when, one day, I realized:
You can say ANYTHING to ANYONE….. if you say it with enough authority.

I was in a meeting with 3 other managers, including my boss who was an utter asshole. You know how guys like to “gay each other out”? They poke fun and call each other “f~~”? This can be fun and even funny once or twice, or you just let it slide. But I don’t think it’s funny AT WORK. The only reason I worked for him was because he paid me. But he didn’t pay enough for that. So he makes some “f~~” comment directed at me for fun, and the other guys laughed.

But they weren’t expecting ME to laugh, too.

Instead of getting annoyed by it or allowing myself to come off as a whiny little bitch, I agreed an amplified.

“Well, I could certainly be a f~~ long enough for YOU to blow me. Who’s first?”

Now I’m laughing and they all go completely quiet. “Whoah! Look how quiet the room got!” with a big smile on my face.. and then I let my smile turn into a completely serious face – looking straight at him without blinking. He felt like such a piece of s~~~ and couldn’t even look at me. Then he changed the subject. The pretend “alpha” in the room, was just turned into a weak beta bitch in front of witnesses. Best part is, he couldn’t fire me for that. I now owned his ass.

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Do you know what a “sociopath” is? Look it up. There are a lot of sociopaths out there. They are social manipulators who don’t give a s~~~ about your feelings. They think they can just order you around. Recently I had a friend for 2 years who did exactly the sort of s~~~ you are taking about. Exactly. If there was a girl with us, his energy would turn to competition and he would attempt to lower my status in front of her.

YES. CALL THEM OUT. RIGHT TO THEIR FACE.

He would text me and say “be there at 8”. To which I would reply: “I will be there when I get there.”. It’s really nothing, but control freaks and manipulators really HATE that. Without having to say it, you are telling them to shut the f~~~ up and stop ordering you around. Sociopathy used to be a commonly male trait, but now females are actually WORSE.

Do you know what “gas lighting” is? When I would call him out, and point out his s~~~ty behavior to his face, he would tell me it’s not true. It’s in my head. I am imagining it. So I told him what gas lighting is — to his face. “Sociopaths use “gas lighting” to try and create doubt, to try to manipulate someone into questioning their own memory, perception and sanity. And it won’t work on me. So don’t try it, you pathetic piece of s~~~”.

(MGTOW is like wearing a Superman cape.)

Now he was busted in front of his own girlfriend while we are out for dinner. Imagine the tension. I swear, his girlfriend was turned on by it. I must have looked like a completely different person to him. He has known me for almost 3 years, and was a real hypocrite too. When he tried to contact me again, I just told him to get the f~~~ out of my life. He thought I was joking. I said no, I am serious. Get the f~~~ out of my life and stay there. I don’t even talk to him anymore. It was just like this:

Since then, I can do it easily whenever I want to. Try it. It feels GREAT!
It’s like bending spoons with your mind. (Matrix reference)

I get angry, but in the eyes of the others (three girls and two guys) I look immature because I get angry.

That’s normal. The key is not to get angry. Enjoy it. Or kick them out of your f~~~ing life. Especially with a woman. If you permit a woman to make you angry, you are showing that you have too much respect for her because she can just say something to p~~~ you off. Don’t pay her that compliment. Women will try that whenever they can! Unless you are f~~~ing her, she is a child. What would a woman know about being punctual? She’s not punctual herself and she’s telling you to be on time? What an insignificant insect.

Any woman who isn’t pleased with you is insignificant. Understand?

Any woman who isn’t pleased with you is insignificant.

I will leave you with one of my favorite stories which is precisely the right attitude to take. And it’s funny as hell. It’s a small change in attitude which applies indifference and the art of being obtuse. OBTUSE means: Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand. You drive her crazy, by showing her no matter what she says or does … it has zero effect on you. This makes women boiling mad. Especially older bitches.

Enjoy.

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If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[IgnisParticipant 157]

@keymaster

The story of the guy with his dog was awesome. It made me laugh.
I get the point, I usually do that with my sister and some family members and they get angry.
Never thought of doing it to this people I mentioned.

I am glad I found this site.
If I hadn’t asked this here I am sure the answer I would get would be: “Try to be nice” or something like that.
It is really a shame that there are people out there who are broken mentally. That will test one’s patience to see how far  they can go.

Like I said in my introduction: I just want to live in peace, and do the things that I love.
I guess I have to toughen up and be sincere with my feelings. Call them out and if they don´t like it they can get the f~~~ out of my life.

At first is hard to understand the MGTOW life, but I think I am beginning to grasp the concept. It´s just that I am erasing almost all the false knowledge about the world that media and some people feed me. The “right” things are not what they say. The “right” things to say makes you submissive. I believe that the system tries to make us feel guilty for wanting to live the way we like. The system , and people who are under it´s influence try to make us feel guilty about being selfish. Selfish is not a “bad thing”. Pursuing your own happiness is not a “bad thing”. If there are people who stand in your way you have to be sincere and push them aside, call out their bulls~~~  and keep moving forward.

Thanks for everything
My eyes are opening a little more everyday

 

[VaderParticipant 50]

Call them out and then get new friends!

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