She comitted suicide because…

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Well, right and that is why “the women of today” should start taking us serously.

Back in 1961, up to 20000 people per month left or “escaped” though the passage from East to West Berlin.

Just to escape a system that is exactly the same as what happens to a man in the “free world” if he gets married.

They had to put up this wall, or the “DDR”-state/East Germany would have become a large “ghost town area”…

We now work on turning the “state of our slavery” into a “ghost town”. Women might then change laws as long as they want, for men that aren’t there anymore.

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[mesohuntParticipant 65]

This mother made the same mistake most blue pill men do, she based her happiness somewhere outside of herself. No one can depend wholly on someone else to provide or maintain their happiness. MGTOW have learned this and are working on their own happiness. All people, including women would be well served to do the same.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Tear down this wall. Right, or go around it and GYOW…

I want to clarify that a little:

When a man gets married: (Or lives in a communist country)

– the government owns him
– he has no means of critising the govenment
– he has no more freedom of speech
– he lives in poverty, like an man in the communist Eastern Countries
– he can be arrested for any offence, even if he didn’t even committ it (StaSi)
– he can be put in prison any time for anything that his government claims that he did
– he can have his children taken away, also under total control of his government
– he has to work and give all resulting resources to the government. It is a “new age” type of communist “labor camp”
– he gets punished for every little “offense” not honoured by his government
– he get verbally abused up to 24 hour a day. Brainwashing by Government.
– he gets blackmailed
– he gets his reputation ruined by false accusations and gossip
– he gets threatened all the time
– he is denied free media use. The Government decides about the TV-channels to be received and if internet will be available or not
– he gets physically abused. That is because he can’t fight back or he will end up in prison

So: The only difference between these systems is that the word “government” can be interchanged with the word “woman”

My family went though that, having to leave with nothing in their pocket. Just like after a divorce…

Woman = Communist Government

A man in the West, bankrupted by his wife has the same s~~~ty feeling that a poor man from East Germany had when looking at the wealth in Western Germany…

He wants out. That’s all

MGTOW is “the out-movement”. Like in 1989. When thousands of people hit the streets and trampled down the border in one night.

Western women must now “Woman up” in history.

From an historical point of view, I can see a mass exodus coming.

Men don’t want to live and suffer any more under this type of communist = entitled wife rule.

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[AragornParticipant 277]

Woman = Communist Government

You might be on the right track.
In latin it becomes pretty obvious:

“Gubernare” means to control
“verb
•conjugation: 1st conjugation
Definitions:
1.steer, drive, pilot, direct, manage, conduct, guide, control, govern”

And now for the Suffix “mentis” means mind.

noun
•declension: 3rd declension
•gender: feminine
Definitions:
1.courage
2.mind
3.plan, intention, frame of mind
4.reason, intellect, judgment

Therefore: Government = Mind control

If you change the rules on what controls you, you will change the rules on what you can control

[Anonymous 3]

miawmiaw wrote:

Daily comments about my single status (die alone, no children to play with at the beach, no descendents for parents…)succeeded in making me feel sad, and a married friend sent me the article.

Why are you still here? Go away CAT LADY!

You are TUNA!

First you ask questions about if marriage is good for your lust, allegedly told so by “friends”. You ignore the avalanche of proof against it and keep hinting its good to be married.
Then you post a bunch of crap about violence and underage marriage, that went straight to the litter box.

Now you come back to infer that mothers commit suicide because their male kids are single?

Do you simply expect that to take MGTOW back to the plantation?

Leave this site, you manipulative and dishonest creature. None of your intentions is honest, always with an agenda. You are a true representative of your gender.

F~~~ OFF!

[Anonymous 2]

Yes, we all die alone, but when people say “die alone” in reference to dying single, they’re implying that one will be lonely and miserable without a spouse beside them, which is complete bulls~~~.

I don’t feel lonely and miserable being single. I have my family and my friends, and I have the freedom to do whatever I want whenever I want. That also means that I have the opportunity to my alone time whenever I want. Time alone is important. If I had somebody who was by my side every minute it would drive me crazy. That’s the great part about being single: I can hang out with people I care about when I want, and I can be alone when I want.

The best thing about being a single, unmarried man is that I PAY ZERO CHILD SUPPORT AND ALIMONY!

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

I’ll be 30 in a year and I’ll continue enjoying my life, t~~~ free.

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Boo hoo?

are you a chia pet in man drag

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Of course I like the beach. But you know what I like more than the beach? Going ALONE.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Anonymous wrote:

Do you simply expect that to take MGTOW back to the plantation?

Leave this site, you manipulative and dishonest creature. None of your intentions is honest, always with an agenda. You are a true representative of your gender.

Smile, nice photoshopped picture.

I don’t care if we had a cat lady among us. I’ll bash them anyway. Would even be funny to some extend. Because bashing them with a language of higher intellect than they have is what they can’t take.

And winning arguments against women was what kept me single all along.

But this forum is free speak for us men only. Anyway I think that we have A LOT of spectators from the opposite side that watch and listen closely to what we say and how we tick.

Because we are their highest DEFCON 4 threat at the moment.
And they only get the truth and nothing but the truth. And truth hurts.

Here, entitled bitches get mentally spanked, but on both sides of their (fat) butt.

(And we spank them thouroghly and extensively with a special “long” wooden cooking spoon from the professional restaurant equipment supply…)

So even if someone put up “phoney topics”, it still reaches the goal of us responding in a correct way. From my part: What I wrote about “communism vs. women dictatorship” is not something that a tuna will print on paper to hang it on the wall next to her mirror.

So be it that we have “tuna” among us – no problem. We’ll give them so much truth that they will go into “psychotic states” at one time or another…

Again avoiding words that could be used against us…

Or saying: It will drive them nuts, trigger their borderline entitlement and they will start to cry…

Then their psychiatrist will order them not to visit this site anymore – but they will be hooked on reading this like they are in a constant psychotic state.

WE are working on the “Compulsive MGTOW Forum Reading Disorder” as the next clinical diagnosis for women…

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[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Professional advice:

Dealing with gold diggers that get close in an unwelcomed way, force kisses and rub their pussy on your knees:

The cooking spoon pictured above is a nice gadget but not as stable as the one I preferred to use over the years.
This one is from the same company called “Fackelmann” and it is the perfect compromise between length, weight and size.

It is 45 cm long and works equally well on big fat asses and thin butts. And this model “size 2” makes the best sound and the least pain on impact.
And you can really use it “correctly”. It is that stable. Tried and tested.

They like it and get hooked on it… Instead of repelling them, it does the opposite.

Women with an addiction will suddenly bend their butts over to your side and ask:
“What are you waiting for”…

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[Anonymous 3]

Gargamel wrote:

I don’t care if we had a cat lady among us. I’ll bash them anyway. Would even be funny to some extend. Because bashing them with a language of higher intellect than they have is what they can’t take.

And winning arguments against women was what kept me single all along.

@gargamel, are you accepting students? I have taken online courses on Reasoning, Arguing and Public Speaking. But I concluded that the content of these courses was not adequate for my purpose. I wanted to be able to deal with people who try to manipulate us.

Women are perfectly capable of understanding arguments, but they dont operate under logical or rational principles. Their understanding of arguments is only manipulative.

Just for the sake of example, let us study this original post.

She comitted suicide because…
her son is still single at 30 ! it gave me a headache :
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016/02/23/30yearolds-single-status-drives-mum-to-suicide/

The first statement is that “a mother suicides because his kid was single“. The implicit claim is that “if you are single your mother can kill herself“. The proof (or premise) is that it happened, and is presented as an article.

This is obviously easy to refute, since it uses Inductive Fallacies, namely a hasty generalization and unrepresentative sample.

Knowing the audience she does not try to make this point, therefore she weakens the argument saying “he is only 30 ! it gave me a headache”.

Here she departs for the discipline of Reason and Argumentation, and enters in classic female manipulation. Because in proper argumentation you have a position, you present your position, and you support your position as the truth.

What she does is to present the argument and hastily depart from it, as it was never her position and she actually disagrees. But even that is made at a manipulative way, because “he is only 30” may appear to say that the mother overreacted. But its ambiguous, because it could also say “it may happen even to young guys, so watch out”.
The other part “it gave me a headache” might also appear to imply disagreement, but is again ambiguous. One can get an headache facing the truth.

So, in these two simple sentences we have an emotional manipulation “you are going to kill your mother for not marrying”, followed by a warning “dont think you are to young for it to happen”, and a first person testimonial that it is cause for concern “I had an headache from the story”.

I know it has nothing to do with MGTOW, but lately i have been subject to some harassment because i am single.

The claim here is “being single leads to harassment”. Another weakening of an argument stating that “it has nothing to do with MGTOW”, so that the audience does not feel she is criticizing MGTOW.

However this is a Non Sequitur, based on an inconsistency: if there is a base for MGTOW is not to marry. Therefore MGTOW has everything to do with being single!
Why would one claim otherwise? Because it departed from logic and reasoning, entering manipulation: I make you believe I am at your side while playing emotional games, suggesting that you will be harassed for being MGTOW.

Daily comments about my single status (die alone, no children to play with at the beach, no descendents for parents…)succeeded in making me feel sad

The claim here is that “I am sad because of comments about being single”. But here she uses the opposite, she actually strengthens the argument using a frequency qualification “daily”. It implies there are many comments every day. The support for the argument are the comments.
So, actually under the guise of “many comments” she presents us with the usual shamming and scare tactics used by society. However notice how emotional twisted it gets:
“die alone” – Ok, pretty standard.
“no children to play with at the beach” – This is precious. Not only it plays with men’s drive to have a family, but also presents an idyllic picture of that family at the beach.
“no descendents for parents” – This appears strange, because it should say “no descendants for you”. But instead closes the loop, returning to the first argument where you are going to kill your parents. Here it explains why, because your parents will not have grandchildren.

a married friend sent me the article.

And for last, another disclaimer, where it all comes from another person that is married. It implies that the married friend is one of those doing the “harassment”, the “commentaries” and stating that “you are going to kill your parents”.

The problem with this kind posts is that it uses a tactic a friend of mine called “wave of arrows”. The author does not care about defending or even upholding the arguments, it is cheap ammunition that he fires is sets of 3 or 4 per sentence.
Yet reasonable and rational people, that honestly try to deal with arguments, will waste their time counter-arguing to these claims. However you will notice that the original author is absent and will never respond. If it happens to show again in the same thread, it is only to send another wave of “arrows”.
The objective is not only to waste efforts, but also to study your arguments. Further in time the new ammunition will take into account the information you provided, while the author himself gave you nothing.

[guiParticipant 825]

The link doesn’t even have a source to the original. Dude, just get better friends. It’s because of s~~~ like this that you can’t trust blue pill men. They want to drag you to hell with them. It’s horror movie stuff.

Pity and contempt are siblings. You only feel pity for those you consider weak.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Yeah I got you. Very good. I didn’t even bother to analyze the OP that closely. Many times to OP might not be a “native English speaking” person and the expression will simply sound “clumsy” or “copied from someone”.

I am not a native speaker myself.

But here comes the biggest point:

Anonymous wrote:

However you will notice that the original author is absent and will never respond. If it happens to show again in the same thread, it is only to send another wave of “arrows”.

If I were “her” or him I would speak up to clarify things. Or see that I have improved my story and question for the next post.

But in this case here: Running away from reasoning is pointing to her being a woman. Right. Borderline alert: Beep!

As time goes by, you will have more spies and undercover agents on this site.
That shows how important we have become. Soon they’ll be listing us among “dangerous cults and sects”

Sooner or later we might have to upload something that proves our manhood.

I had paid my membership with my own credid card so it is easy for the site operator to trace back that I have a real male name.

I wouldn’t mind if the site owners could implement a “verified member status” meaning someone would have to print a page with a number on it. Holding it next to his face or other “explicit male body part” and sending the photo back to the operator via email or via site upload. Then all “verified members” will get some kind of symbol or ID next to his membership or proflie name.

Anonymous wrote:

Yet reasonable and rational people, that honestly try to deal with arguments, will waste their time counter-arguing to these claims.

Yes we do waste time to mentally beat the s~~~ out of her. Maybe that is why she never answers. After “winning” an argument with a woman they normally become quiet and terrified. That does not mean that you have actually convinced her. No, she has just retreated into “her cave”. So she has time to find out another way to manipulate you.

Anonymous wrote:

Women are perfectly capable of understanding arguments, but they dont operate under logical or rational principles. Their understanding of arguments is only manipulative.

Of course it is manipulative. Like the communist propaganda was back then. But the people of these countries learned to ignore all that “like background noise” and their thoughts “went their own way”.

Anonymous wrote:

The objective is not only to waste efforts, but also to study your arguments. Further in time the new ammunition will take into account the information you provided, while the author himself gave you nothing.

Yes they waste efforts and “catching all of their arrows” confuses us and takes up a lot of energy. That reminds me of one male borderline “friend” that I had a hard time to get rid of.

They waste so much time and it’s all for “the trash can”.
(Just remembering this makes me shiver all over)

And these borderline “sickos” also use everything that you have said to formate their “next set of arrows” that they throw in your face. (Shiver down my spine again)

These people can and will make you sick. If you don’t dump them. But besides females, there are also male borderlines out there that can drain all of your energy once you interact with them. They behave like women. 20 percent of males and 80 percent of females seem to have this NPD/BPD problem.

These are the families with what I call “roll reversal” in which the man behaves “like a woman”. And the woman has to work all day to buy him stuff. Almost all of these BPD/NPD men are “bit-exact copies of NPD-mama”. So again this problem comes back to “female nature”. But that ratio is 20 compared to 80.

And the male BPDs can make you go insane just by being a standard “friend from school” meaning “absolutely no gay relationship”.

(Wanna see pictures of the vandalism/damages on my car ?… But the psychopath finally backed off… As a public person that happens to you… freeeeeezing in my back when I think back 2 years… Sleeping in my clothes, running out of the house at every little sound in the garden to see if someone had set fire to my forest…)

And all I did was to coach him from an unemployed loser “mama boy” up to a respectable PC-service technician. But “mama” took over again. And he went ballistic on me. (Not on me alone, it took 3 officers to stop him when he started a big fight somewhere in the city in 2007)
This sad story fills a book by itself. And feminism holds up these few sick man as being “the standard type of man” and that is why they are just as wrong as any racist. Most of men are correct people. As is the case in every population.

When feminists “hold up” the example of a sick and violent man for their propaganda I always ask: “Who raised him as a narcisstic prince?”

Our main problem is that we now have 80-85 percent of the female population with such unbearable personality disorders. Actually endangering the survival of the population by hindering future reproduction…

So there are female and male “sickos” out there. And they give you nothing back.

But please don’t “trash” this thead, because there is very valuable content in here. Rather give it a new and better name.

It is very interesting to read for others – to see how we react to manipulation and that it is not so easy to stupidify and infiltrate us.

Analyze us: Fine with me. It will bring more females into the practices of psychologists… And that is a good thing.

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[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Anonymous wrote:

You are TUNA!

Right, I think we have tuna alarm.

Having the picture of a cat as a profile avatar is provocative enough on a website like this. Because we men have all been plagued by a mother, sister, gf or wife who loved their cats more than their men, sons or husbands.

Off to the womens’ shelter. Nuke button, but save this thread. Or I will repost my work on communism vs. women in a new thread. Maybe that is a good idea.

O.T.: I had to look up the word “TUNA” a while ago. But aren’t they called “tuna” because of the way they smell?

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[miawmiawSpectator 81]

Gargamel wrote:

ZenState wrote:

You are TUNA!

Right, I think we have tuna alarm.

Having the picture of a cat as a profile avatar is provocative enough on a website like this. Because we men have all been plagued by a mother, sister, gf or wife who loved their cats more than their men, sons or husbands.

Off to the womens’ shelter. Nuke button, but save this thread. Or I will repost my work on communism vs. women in a new thread. Maybe that is a good idea.

O.T.: I had to look up the word “TUNA” a while ago. But aren’t they called “tuna” because of the way they smell?

Hello Gargamel,

It’s a false Tuna Alert. My avatar has to nothing to do with provocation, some cats have mgtow attitude.
The only way to know is to interview the new members, whatever i answer those who have doubt will call it manipulative again. Members with bad intentions can be either male or female, there are college professors who unconditionally support feminism.
Can we talk in private? It’s a feminist attitude to turn to insults like Zenstate for 1 or 2 posts they don’t like then conclude “tuna”, very emotional thinking. The post got 10 likes , so whether it makes a point or not is something subjective, and is not enough evidence that i am pro-feminism. Even if i write a post to question mgtow and “defend” women, it can still be an initiative for more honest critical thinking you can answer with your “bright arguments” (zenstate), don’t shout tuna like feminists shout “misogynist” ,you need more solid evidence to accuse someone of trolling than manipulative rhetoric in analyzing my sentences, the kind of rhetoric that can show any member as manipulative , including yourself.
I am waiting for someone to contact me …because it will be useless to post a pic of my penis here or messages from my ex…

Thank you

[Anonymous 3]

HOW ABOUT THAT ENGLISH THAT IMPROVED LIKE A MIRACLE?!
Congratulations, your “Middle Eastern” limited English just got A LOT BETTER! MGTOW does wonders to women!

miawmiaw wrote:

Can we talk in private? It’s a feminist attitude to turn to insults like Zenstate for 1 or 2 posts they don’t like then conclude “tuna”, very emotional thinking.

See Gargamel why we cant have women? They start this bulls~~~ manipulations, putting one against other.
Then you have the “classical” projection of things we are accused into the accuser.

By the way Cat Lady… Did you noticed how my insults would only work if you are indeed a lady?

If you where a man you would only be defending that you are a men.

[Anonymous 3]

miawmiaw wrote:

Even if i write a post to question mgtow and “defend” women, it can still be an initiative for more honest critical thinking

That is really sweet. You can come here, QUESTION MGTOW, and DEFEND WOMEN, but its OK because it is “honest critical thinking”?

There is nothing honest about it!

You cannot go to someone’s house to criticize him and defend his nemesis. Only a woman could ever think its her right to do so!

miawmiaw wrote:

you need more solid evidence to accuse someone of trolling than manipulative rhetoric in analyzing my sentences,

Another projection. It is you that show “manipulative rhetoric”, what I did was to analyze it!

Care to notice that you never explain or respond where I am wrong. I am just wrong because of my “bright arguments”!

I know, men are always wrong.

And I was mean to you:

“STOP USING ARGUMENTS!”

[miawmiawSpectator 81]

Anonymous wrote:

miawmiaw wrote:

Even if i write a post to question mgtow and “defend” women, it can still be an initiative for more honest critical thinking

That is really sweet. You can come here, QUESTION MGTOW, and DEFEND WOMEN, but its OK because it is “honest critical thinking”?

There is nothin honest about it!

You cannot go to someone’s house to criticize him and defend his nemesis. Only a women could ever think its her right to do so!

miawmiaw wrote:

you need more solid evidence to accuse someone of trolling than manipulative rhetoric in analyzing my sentences,

Another projection. It is you that show “manipulative rhetoric”, what I did was to analyze it!

Care to notice that you never explain or respond where I am wrong. I am just wrong because of my “bright arguments”!

I know, men are always wrong.

And I was mean to you:

“STOP USING ARGUMENTS!”

Dude , the woman you are arguing with only exists in your imagination…
I suggest you play some ghost hunting game to relieve yourself !

Anyway , i am ready to have a video conversation with any sane member here !

[Anonymous 3]

miawmiaw wrote:

Dude , the woman you are arguing with only exists in your imagination…

I am not arguing. Because arguing implies an argument and a counter-argument, and YOU NEVER RESPOND TO ARGUMENTS!

You just bait and switch.

Now you are sending me to play ghost hunting. Don’t you mean ghosthing? Is that another veiled criticism of MGTOW practices?

The answer is no. I am not your monkey to do what you say.

Instead I am cat hunting.

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