Settling For Less In Women?

[goadsaidParticipant 100]

Hey guys. I’m knew to this forum but have been a MGTOW in practice for about a year and a half now and have been watching sandman on youtube as well as a few others for about six months now. This is essentially the first and only online community which I am a part of so I am happy to be here.

One question which I have repeatedly had in my mind since observing the modern gender dynamics (and mgtow) more closely is the question of what percentage of men “settle for less” in a woman just to be in a relationship? By this I mean what percentage of men settle for, or have previously settled for, someone that we are not extremely sexually attracted or don’t get along with socially? If this does apply to you, it would be great to hear why you think it happened. If it doesn’t, it would be great here why you think you escaped this fate entirely. (i.e. “I’m so good looking or have so much money that I have always been able to pick from only the best women”)

I ask this because I would assume that this concept applies to most of us at one point or another. So, I’ll start by answering my own question by affirming that I indeed fit into this category and for the following reasons: 1.) I was desperate to have consistent physical intimacy, 2.) I wanted more social approval and 3.) the woman was someone who lots of people thought was hot but didn’t really fit my tastes. I guess that the last one is sort of “peer pressure” and not wanting to be bothered by people as to why I would turn down such a “hot” girl. or why I was squandering such an “opportunity.”

I think this is an interesting topic because of how illogical (to me now) it would be to get into a relationship (at all), but much less a relationship with a woman that I am not extremely physically attracted to and also how socially unacceptable it is to use “I am not physically attracted to her” when turning down women, This especially applies when turning down women who your social circle approves of or who your social circle is trying to hook you up with. Even most of the male friends which you are close enough with to be honest with about your lack of attraction for a particular girl will tell you things like, “yeah but she has a really good personality” if that girl likes you. Maybe. But so does my dog. It’s like investing in a car that doesn’t drive and saying, “”But the paint is really nice.”

It’s like cheering you on for failure. It’s so absolutely ludicrous. If the wild animal attraction isn’t there, no deal? Right?

Thanks in advance to anyone who responds.

[The Skank SpankerParticipant 1372]

Do you realize that each and every reason you gave to settle for less are not genuinly valid reasons:

1.) I was desperate to have consistent physical intimacy,
2.) I wanted more social approval and
3.) the woman was someone who lots of people thought was hot but didn’t really fit my tastes.

1. Just get a f~~~buddy without settling.
2. Who cares about social approval? Real men don’t seek validation from society. They have attained the wisdom to validate themselves.
3. This is similair to point 2. It’s you that has to f~~~ that woman, not the neighbor next door. So who cares about other peoples taste.

Concerning point 2&3, don’t let society brainwash you into getting something you don’t want.

Concerning settling for less, absolutely no f~~~ing way you should settle for something you don’t consider good enough just because there aren’t better options around. Are you going to drink sour milk past the expiration date because you forgot to buy another one?

You will never be happy if you settle for less in the long term (been there, done that). Women just don’t bring enough to the table these days, and they seem to care more about what they want than what a man wants. The game being played is egoistic and selfish in many cases. If you think you bring more value to the table, and she doesn’t, then don’t do it. Because you will only satisfy her needs, but yours are not taken care of.

If you settle for less, that only shows you lack character strength, are not willing to set boundaries and standards for yourself, you don’t act upon those, thus you are a weakling that settles for a mediocre wife / girlfriend.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

goadsaid wrote:

It’s like cheering you on for failure.

I have never heard it expressed quite like that before. Also, it’s very accurate. “You’re in a relationship with a woman that is shaped like a North American bison and has the personality of a train wreck. Good for you. I’m sure she is special.” Smiley face, smiley face. It’s pathetic and nauseating at the same time.

goadsaid wrote:

If the wild animal attraction isn’t there, no deal? Right?

In my experience, yes and no. Yes because that’s the circumstance when the sex is best. No because, in my experience, there is a direct corollary to how good the sex is to how insane the woman is. The better the pussy, the crazier the woman is. Boring pussy = down to earth. The problem with the down to earth women is that they are just as gynocentric as the crazy women. They just do it with cookies.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[goadsaidParticipant 100]

I completely agree with everything you said. I currently would turn down any woman that didn’t have the looks and finances of kendall jenner with the personality of… well me. I just can’t believe how well society (women) have pushed the whole “you can work at a relationship. Looks don’t matter. It’s the “person” inside, give-her-a-chance” crap. Men routinely get ruined by women that they never wanted in the first place. They just couldn’t turn down their mom’s bosses’ daughter and it went from there. From what I see, the reason they couldn’t turn these women down is because, aside from their looks, they “had it all.” There was no “reasonable” excuse. People will know that any given guy is looking for a girl and then set that guy up with an ugly duckling as if they are just “sneaking” her looks past him because he is too afraid to comment on them negatively. She gets what she wants and he gets to imagine a hotter girl during sex once a month until the divorce.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

MGTOW don’t settle for less

MGTOW don’t settle.

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5106]

Men stopped settling for less starting back in the late 1990’s. That was about the time that Gen-X shifted the entire marriage demographic, with men saying no to marriage in their 20’s. Right around 2000, all those men started getting chased by women with baby rabies. There is no sane reason for a man to settle for less, especially since they are so desperate these days, the women have to settle less now. No man should ever expect perfection, but why settle for less when she might take all your stuff anyhow?

Sovereignty above all else.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

For me it was being naïve. I used to think that deep down, almost everyone was a good person. Cheating women were just the really skanky ones and most women didn’t do things like that. That was just for the movies. While everyone was different in terms of looks, brains, and interests, for the most part people have a sense of decency.

Needless to say, I stand corrected.

SoldierMedic: I laughed out load and the comment about just doing it with cookies! I may be using that one……….

Order the good wine

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5106]

As far as US culture I simply blame most of it on the “girl’s rules” mentality, that we men have been brainwashed into believing. Back in the old days it was simple, you used girls rules so they don’t get embarrassed playing pool – but now the sows have flipped it into an “everything is MY prerogative” situation.

But alas, the chickens are coming home to roost. I am in my late-40’s, and I can say that there is a HUGE swath of women my age who NEVER found a man to marry and/or spawn with. I am not joking when I say I know this one woman who can’t even get a guy to show up, when she is totally DTF. Knowing this makes me chuckle, because I can only imagine the strife a woman now in her 20’s will feel in her 40’s later – because the statistic can only go up.

Sovereignty above all else.

[Anonymous 18]

goadsaid wrote:

what percentage of men settle for, or have previously settled for, someone that we are not extremely sexually attracted or don’t get along with socially?

I saw this really sad looking, otherwise fit and reasonable decent/sane looking man with a short, fat, and different race of a woman —(contrary to popular belief I think interracial marriages are less romantic and more – hmm sign of settling….cough-single mothers and felons-cough) — that sight was all it needed for me to realize that blue pill men would stoop so low to fondle the gynocentric created illusion of feminine touch/love/affection.

Man, the sadness in that man’s face as two kids walked behind him. The woman seemed happy.

I diagnose that as blupillitis. Treat with red pills and see women as opportunistic fungal infections. That’d be $42.10. Actually I don’t have to spend on a woman so make it a flat $1.50.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

I was extremely sexually attracted to my one and only, and able to get along socially with her for a very long time. Between the one and two year mark she made the off hand comment that if we got divorced we’d still have sex because we knew each other were safe.

As things got more argumentative, her getting her way less often, the social engagement waned. When the sex started to go away I first wondered why I was supporting her.

Now fully red pill, I can answer you’re questions with absolute clarity.

You are always settling for less with a woman.

Less of your money to be yours.
Less sex, even if it’s just masturbation.
Less empathy, because the men here will understand and not interject with some inane story about their “other” guy that they fixate their sexual energy on.
Less freedom to do whatever you want.
Less autonomy, because if you are out of the room too long you must be checked on like a child.
Less silence, because while they’ll give you the cold shoulder for speaking your mind god forbid you need to actually have it quiet for a couple of minutes.

The list goes on, but you don’t need the whole list. You’re here. I notice you’re new. You’ve chosen wisely. Welcome.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[goadsaidParticipant 100]

Anonymous wrote:

I saw this really sad looking, otherwise fit and reasonable decent/sane looking man with a short, fat, and different race of a woman

I feel like I see this all the time. You have to be Hugh Jackman to be deserving of a top notch woman by societies standards. However, essentially any woman is worthy of Hugh Jackman. I remember a while ago thinking that Pierce Brosnan must have been out of his mind to allow his, then wife, to become the size of a small African village. I know she eventually got very sick but she got very fat well before that happened. He was touted as something of a hero for being such a loyal dog to that oversized woman when she was ill.

Ogre wrote:

Now fully red pill, I can answer you’re questions with absolute clarity.

You are always settling for less with a woman.

You’re right but I never saw this before because I was literally hopelessly addicted to female attention. I couldn’t even go for a jog without hoping that some woman saw me and was attracted to me or I would think about what female interaction would hopefully be included in the rest of my day. Now that I am mgtow, I have every intention of staying single because of the fact that I don’t really trust myself completely once I am in “deep” with a woman. However, I plan on being completely honest in the future when and if people try to hook me with a woman or a woman pursues me. If she is attractive, I will say I am extremely attracted to you but I made a promise to myself to live for myself. On the contrary, if she is ugly, I will say that I have no intention of dating anyone, but if I did, I wouldn’t date you because I am not physically attracted to you. Sorry, but it’s nature.

One of the best things about mgtow is that once you stop pursuing woman, the rest of your desire to be socially accepted flies out the window – at least for me. If I offend anyone or any group, I will simply move to the next group.

[narwhalParticipant]

It’s a marketplace, same as any other. You set out the criteria that’s important to you, then find the car, I mean woman, that closest meets your criteria. Some want reliability, some want theoritically good gas milage, some may go for big headlights. You may end up paying too much for it if you don’t want to wait for the right deal, or getting a car that isn’t what you really want if you don’t wait for it to show up at the dealership.

So I think one is settling if you shift your criteria to match what society says criteria you should drive, or don’t wait long enough for the right girl to come around.

What MGTOW know is….they are all lemons. Even if you waited for the right car, it will quickly become the wrong car. Oh, it may still look cool (but most likely start looking like s~~~), and get you from A to B, but it will require a ton in maintenance, the drive will be bumpy and uncomfortable, and the radio just won’t shut up. What’s worse, you’ll still be making payments long after you’ve given it up, even if the cars now with a new owner. There are no lemon laws with women.

It’s much better to just walk or ride a bike. If the urge ever rises, just rent a corvette (or whatever you like) every now and then. So much cheaper.

Ok. Then do it.

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