Seeking wisdom on something

[ExplosionParticipant 32]

I’m separating from the military and plan to go to school on my Post 911 GI bill. I plan to go back home to Portland Oregon for a new start. Still up in the air on either going to a trade school or community college to work up to 4 year university. I want to do something I enjoy and make a damn good living off of it. What’s better? Trade school and start working or grind the 4 year degree? Any suggestions?

[Back in BlackParticipant 1732]

What’s your purpose?

"Women are directly adapted to act as the nurses and educators of our early childhood, for the simple reason that they themselves are childish, foolish, and short-sighted—in a word, are big children all their lives, something intermediate between the child and the man, who is a man in the strict sense of the word. Consider how a young girl will toy day after day with a child, dance with it and sing to it; and then consider what a man, with the very best intentions in the world, could do in her place.” Quote from Arthur Shopenhauer, 17th century philosopher

[bladeParticipant]

If you enjoy something you will succeed

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[ExplosionParticipant 32]

Back in Black wrote:

What’s your purpose?

To be honest I think that’s my biggest problem. There are so many careers I could see myself in but I’m the type that gets bored easily. I’ve done a lot of different jobs in military but get burned out every one. I don’t know what my calling is. I’ve looked at multiple degrees I would love but wonder if I would get burned out and wasted that money.

[MuglintarParticipant 1333]

matt, can you tell a bit more about your interests and what you have done in the military? If it is related, what is your family background?
There are 20000 men here, it is very likely, you will find experts on right about anything here.

"Him, who delights in solitude, is either a wild beast or a GOD!" - Aristotle (Aristot. Pol. 1.1253a) 1 Hom. Il. 9.63; the passage goes on: ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ι ὃς πολέμου ἔραται.

[Anonymous 0]

Here’s what I see a lot of young guys doing:

1. Start their own business. Home maintenance, for instance; what you do every day changes, today electrical, tomorrow drywall, next cutting grass, plumbing next. You get the picture. The going rate for that depends on your area. Usually 25 per hour plus. You are always comfortable but never rich but you do have tax deductions and can always work “under the table”

2. Learn two or even three red seal trades; barber, chef, welding, plumber, electrician, power engineer. It doesn’t matter if they are even related. That way, you have a job where ever you go and also during tough economic times, like newly divorced and starting over.

3. A degree. Not as valuable as it once was unless you go into STEM (Masters level at least). Just keep in mind that feminism is elbowing their way in those fields through affirmative action and Hr depts are loaded with feminazis. By comparison, there are less women in trades due to the physical nature of the job and even fewer running their own trade businesses.

Hope this helps

[MagusParticipant 424]

M52 summarized things quite well. Though you might want to step it up a little from those menial type jobs any mexican day laborer can do that’s standing at the corner. Maybe do something like SEO. Something that can scale yet can also make you hundreds of thousands a year by yourself.

Getting a degree so you can work in a blue haze is a recipe for disaster. You don’t want to find yourself laid off at 50 full of information about some corporation that isn’t applicable to life outside that corporation.

[JVBParticipant]

Trade school.

Peace is > piece.

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

I did the 4 year degree, and I got my B.S. in health. I’m not even using since I wanted to get into physical therapy school. I applied to nursing school, but I decided I didn’t want to wipe asses. I’m in grad school to get my MBA in supply chain management and logistics. Honestly 4 years degrees now adays are mostly a waste. I would go into trade school if I could go back and do things differently. Once I’m done with grad school, all this school bulls~~~ will pay off. Until then, I am on the grind.

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

My brother works in the contract employment industry.

They are tracking a group of folks going the degree and a group going trade school and will issue a report on the ten year mark.

He says that trade school is now looking better 9n a cost analysis basis.

The number one job that remains unfilled is underwater welding in remote areas of world. Men with this skill set can set their price.

Welding skill remains the most valuable skill set across the board.

Peace brothers

[Back in BlackParticipant 1732]

Figure out where you want to go first then you will know the best path to get there.

"Women are directly adapted to act as the nurses and educators of our early childhood, for the simple reason that they themselves are childish, foolish, and short-sighted—in a word, are big children all their lives, something intermediate between the child and the man, who is a man in the strict sense of the word. Consider how a young girl will toy day after day with a child, dance with it and sing to it; and then consider what a man, with the very best intentions in the world, could do in her place.” Quote from Arthur Shopenhauer, 17th century philosopher

[Enlightened by TruthParticipant 41]

Matt I’m actually using the post 9/11 GI Bill. There are a few important details..besides the most important.. What do you want to do?!
Make sure where you choose to go to school is supported by the GI Bill. Call them and ask.. they are really helpful 888-442-4551.

I do not know if GI Bill will cover a community college. I was under the impression it had to be an accredited 4 yr university college… i.e.. they have to be able to award BA’s and BS’s. Community colleges usually do not go past AA’s.. 2 year degree’s.. But call them and make sure.

The payout for full time college is AWESOME… they pay the entire tuition directly to the college. You get paid BAH for E-5 with dependents using the zip of your college as location. This is free money. Also once a year they give you 1k for books. This isn’t all at once.. You get it per semester based on the cost of the books for your class. I have gotten the full 1k by my second semester.. but I usually get my books used.. so I pocket 85% of that 1k. Be warned. It takes almost 3 months for the BAH to kick in and start. After that the payments are always 1 month behind. They also will not pay you for any breaks. So if you take 3 months off.. that’s 3 months without BAH and another month to catch up.

When you go to college you have to GO TO COLLEGE!!! If you skip too many classes and fail the class.. the college reports that to the VA and they cancel your GI Bill.. U will also owe them ALL the money back for the classes you failed. So, go to class or don’t do college.

Don’t know how long U were in the military.. But military credits from everything associated with military schools.. and your leadership ranks.. count for credit.. I had over 30 credits not counting the 15 credits I had before I joined.. If you have enough you may be a Sophomore..

Finally they only deduct months of college you attend. So if you take a summer break.. they do not take away time from your GI Bill. If you have 30 months left.. take off for 6 months.. you have 30 months waiting for you. This is important when adding up everything you need for a degree and hopefully letting the GI Bill cover everything.

If you have any questions.. let me know.. I’ll try to help…

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Explosion wrote:

Trade school and start working or grind the 4 year degree?

Some things to consider with a trade. I help run an electrical apprenticeship program with a major municipality. It requires an AA and is a 5 year program.

1. Pick a trade that won’t literally break your back, or expose you to too much sun. Don’t be a roofer! I see a lot of guys in their 50’s going back to school because they can’t perform the work anymore and need desk jobs. Succession planning is a big step backwards if you didn’t count on it early in life.

2. Make sure there is opportunity for journey man training, certifications and possibly supervision or management training. If you can get the company to pay for it all the better.

3. You will want formal education regardless of your trade eventually. You will be competing with skilled tradesman who also have BA’s in management, engineering or planning. I see it all the time.

Do the trade get working and then go back to school. If your 30 and making good money you have 20-25 years to finish before you will want a change. Most all the tradesmen I meet do want change later in life.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[AlokParticipant 16]

DorkShit wrote:

The number one job that remains unfilled is underwater welding in remote areas of world. Men with this skill set can set their price.

Welding skill remains the most valuable skill set across the board.

It is very funny you should say that. I am just now planning to quit my dead-end mechanic job to do a 2 year underwater welding program with internship.
Had a few qualms about it at first(because it’s a 2 year break on working) but it certainly seems like a really good idea based on what information i can find, It’ll take 4 years from now until i make more money than i would staying at my current job, if the suggested rookie salaries are correct. That is if I don’t get a job offshore in norway which would yield about double my current salary.

It also seems like the ultimate MGTOW job to me, if you’re going to work at all.

[Y_Participant 4591]

Explosion wrote:

To be honest I think that’s my biggest problem. There are so many careers I could see myself in but I’m the type that gets bored easily. I’ve done a lot of different jobs in military but get burned out every one. I don’t know what my calling is. I’ve looked at multiple degrees I would love but wonder if I would get burned out and wasted that money.

I do not know about your specific opportunities and any works issues. I would only say that degrees are only good if you can follow up on them.

If you get bored easily then the grind of a three – year course and internship or starting on the corporate ladder may be more than you bargained for. The rewards are there but do you want the lifestyle? I mean C~~~S running the workplace. Except for hardcore engineering where men are somewhat in charge the rest of the dysfunctional degree-laden workplace is a stinking temple to the all-mighty vagina.

Trades may be good if you value your independence and also keeps you away from feminists. You will have to deal with them – but it can be on your own terms.

You may or may not require a degree as you climb up in a trade, It is not mandatory and can help depending on a lot of things. However I do agree that psychologically people trust degree – holders more as the person appears more trustworthy and capable – even if it doesn’t do much else.

For me it is knowledge that drives my goals but if money and skill are your concerns then you will make more in a trade rather than as a corporate lackey. Medicine and law notwithstanding.

There are two other factors you need to be careful of and these affect your employment hugely.

Economic employability – when the economy goes into a dive and jobs become scarce a degree will not help you if there are many others like you hungry in the workforce. The tradesman can usually get around this.

Recognition – your community college degree is practically useless outside of some states and mostly outside of the USA. Unless you are from an Ivy League or institutions such as MIT you can kiss any overseas recognition or work requiring a similar degree requirement goodbye.

Trades are mostly immune to this type of international bias and there is no foreign institution that says you re not qualified. On the contrary – a trade will most likely be your passport to overseas work.

I can tell you all this from personal experience, so it is a decision you should not make lightly. You only have a limited number of years to do this. Then the next generation has the edge.

Good luck.

[Y_Participant 4591]

Alok wrote:

t is very funny you should say that. I am just now planning to quit my dead-end mechanic job to do a 2 year underwater welding program with internship.

This is an extremely physically demanding job so please understand the risks and long term heath issues. Too long at depth and in cold conditions will shorten your life. Make sure you understand these. Very well paid job for a very good reason.

[alchemistParticipant 484]

TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES TRADES

I wish I’d learnt a real hands-on trade much earlier in life. I have not only had this advice form many old timers but also in my own experience, getting into a trade is the best thing I ever did. Going to college was a interesting and fun dead end and a sidetrack from making any kind of money.

Engineering is good and necessary for many things but with university you end up in debt, so ultimately I would say that getting your hands dirty is better because you can maybe get an apprenticeship where you’re paid to learn, rather than the other way around.

[Author]

Posts