Seeking clarity over scope of concern by MGTOW(s)

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I am seeing different thoughts regarding nature of MGTOW, and the struggle involved.

On the one hand, I see that whenever who can be MGTOW is, if the idea of a man being married being involved with MGTOW would come up, it gets struck down. Even the idea of a man going towards divorce and soon to be unmarried is seen as suspect (a video I did looking at this managed to generate thumb’s down votes). So, it would seem that MGTOW would be about concerns of men who aren’t married.

However, on the other hand, when I see issues discussed around MGTOW, it is in the context of men, period. It is said “men are seen as disposable”, “men are oppressed”, “men are exploited”, and so on. The way I am seeing it is that it is seen as men universally being a concern, and not men who are not married as the main concern.

Please share your thoughts on this, and help me understand this. Maybe I am chasing rabbits again, but I am curious here. Is the common way the idea of getting ALL men to never be married, so it is about all men, but collectively getting all men to not be married, and that is what connects these two? Or is there something about MGTOW forming its own identity so the ideas are jumbled.

Thank you for your time…

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Richard:

The way I see it, there are as many thoughts on this issue as men who have come here. Everyone has a different life experience and therefore a different way of seeing something. I’m not divorced yet, but the paperwork is done. So I’m not MGTOW? OK, I don’t need a label to define where I’m at in my life. And personally, I don’t see any duty to try to persuade all men to not get married. Hell, I obviously don’t have my s~~~ together, so who wants me telling anyone else how to live?

I am a man going MY own way, but we are men going OUR own way. I think people read that and think we are all headed the same direction, but we aren’t. What I like about this group of men is the respect for someone doing what they want to do, whether or not you would want to go the same direction. To change a famous quote a little to make it fit the situation: I may not go the same way as you, but I would fight to the death for your right to go YOUR way.

Order the good wine

[Anonymous 5]

A man can be MGTOW if he is still married or in a relationship as long as he plans on ending it someday. We have men here who have taken the red pill, but are not 100% ready to bite the bullet just yet. Divorce is a huge deal and these men must be smart before they act on it. They need to learn as much as they can so they don’t get burnt too bad.

In the short term, divorce sucks. You lose 50%-70% of your money, the house, the car, HDTV, the dog, the kids and whatever the c~~~ wants…she gets. In the long term, it is worth it because men can always rebuild and eventually get back on track.

I wouldn’t get too upset if someone claims someone else is not a MGTOW or whatever. It is just a label. It’s kinda like when christians bash other christians because they aren’t REAL christians…LOL. Just ignore these people. If you have taken the red pill and are going your own way, your MGTOW.

At worst, you might be considered a Purple Piller which is the half way point of blue pill and red pill. Don’t view it as an insult. Every man on this planet is born a blue pill beta bitch and it takes years before we eventually find the truth. We all transition from blue to red. Some take longer than others. Sadly…some blue pillers die being a slave from their c~~~ wives and never see the truth…

[RoyDalParticipant]

TaxGuy wrote:

I am a man going MY own way, but we are men going OUR own way. I think people read that and think we are all headed the same direction, but we aren’t. What I like about this group of men is the respect for someone doing what they want to do, whether or not you would want to go the same direction. To change a famous quote a little to make it fit the situation: I may not go the same way as you, but I would fight to the death for your right to go YOUR way.

Hear, hear!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Most mgtow will come from divorces.

Splitting hairs…..women do that s~~~.

ALL MEN WELCOME.

NO WOMEN EVER.

MGTOW.COM
THE LAST SAFE MALE SPACE.

There is the issue of the guy who hasn’t finalized the divorce yet, that ends up a hangup regarding this. That is why I looked to “not marrying” as opposed to “not being married”.

For a second I did read what you wrote as MGTOW (without the .com), which I don’t see as possible, although I saw some trying to have MGTOW itself being a safe space. But, I see MGTOW.COM can be a safe space, because it is controlled. For myself, my interest in MGTOW is the subset of men who aren’t married, and are trying to get a life on without being in a marriage relationship with women. But, other MGTOW can have other interests, and this site can be a man-only site. Each man focus on what he needs to, and network, is my take.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

For what it’s worth, my oersonal perspective is that the scope of concern of MGTOW is as follows:

You can not be married, actively religious, or financially dependent on someone else and be going your own way. The whole point of going your own way is that you have the freedom and wherewithal to not have to answer to someone else in matters that are critical to your own health, well being and enjoyment of life.

Self employment or unemployment is helpful to this but not critical. You can do what must be done to make money for yourself and still go your own way with regard to societal expectations of what a man is supposed to do with his time, energy and treasure,

Once you have the mental and social freedom to determine your own interests and the financial base from which to pursue those interests, the rest of it is all about figuring out what it is that is enjoyable and meaningful for you. This may mean some or a lot of re-writing the scripts that society gave you in order to make your life a value to yourself first and foremost. Just note that if you decide that your own way is to be a loving husband and father and faithful worker for the state and the greater good of mankind, that you may meet some resistance from those of us still trying to undo the programming that this is our sole duty in life rather than a choice. Doesn’t mean you can’t choose that, though, so long as you’re doing it out of choice and not just justifying the same old script.

For me, MGTOW mirrors the founding principles of the freedom and responsibility for every man to pursue his own life, liberty and happiness. What you do with it after that, so long as you don’t infringe on another man’s rights to do the same, is up to you.

[Jon the Ex-SquidParticipant 298]

My take: You’re a male who has decided to live life according to your own desires, becomes self actualized (or is in the process thereof), and rejects the notion that you must have a wife and/or children in order to be a real man.

Trying to define whether a man can be a MGHOW if he’s married or not is sorta splitting hairs in a non-organized, entirely individualistic way of life. I don’t put forth an opinion on it either way because it really just doesn’t matter to me.

I’m over here. Doing my thing.

You’re over there doing yours.

Long as your not blocking my sunlight, grow the way you wanna grow, weeee willow.

[MochaParticipant 90]

I don’t care about the label. Call yourself whatever you want. I’m not MGTOW based on the original definition, I AM MGTOW based on the current definition, I won’t be MGTOW if the definition changes too drastically in the future. I’ll remain MGTOW until I die.

MGTOW, to me, is self-ownership and staying free. If you are trapped in a marriage, or trapped by another state institution (military, prison, etc) you cannot claim self-ownership or freedom.

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

Most mgtow will come from divorces.

Splitting hairs…..women do that s~~~.

ALL MEN WELCOME.

NO WOMEN EVER.

MGTOW.COM
THE LAST SAFE MALE SPACE.

Amen..

Personally I don’t think most MGTOWs come from divorces, but since I don’t have data to back that up, I can’t really go any further on that, lol.

I do believe that a lot of younger men are taking red pills early in life, compared to last generation, mostly because of how easy it is to get information now and cross reference stuff, thanks to the internet.

Also since Gamergate, it’s pretty clear that the status quota has been rustled, since more and more people take them red pills. They can’t do the shaming tactics effectively, as they will be asked to present some valid evidence, in which most cases they go, “muh feelings”.

But any man plotting his escape plans, for his own path, is welcome, and in the end, MGTOW isn’t a group ride, it’s your own ride.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I believe a good chunk of MGTOW early on happened to be ones who got run through the divorce ringer, lost kids, and had a hard time with the courts. It is likely that, with the growth, you have MGTOW who never went through that. Probably a chunk of what would of gone into TFL (True Forced Loneliness) ended up in MGTOW also. And Gamergate did play a part to MGTOW growth also. I know I got exposed to MGTOW through Gamergate videos. Looking further into it, after MGTOW was mentioned in a video, I went “You know, this is pretty close to my life, minus the run through the ringer”.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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