See, this is why we can’t have nice things

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

You guys have heard by now that Utah “officially” declared porn to be a public health menace.

The reason I started this thread to to hopefully discuss the political ramifications in as civil a manner as possible.

I want to address my fellow MGTOWs that lean towards the tradcon. I was raised by folks that got x-mas cards from the Reagans and their campaign managers. I get it.

I’m one of the “swing voters” who is oscillating between Republican and just writing in goddamn Bernie Sanders, and this kind of s~~~ from Utah is why.

For anyone leaning tradcon, you have a simple choice. If you want the swing voters like me to vote for your guy, you need to drop the religious bulls~~~. Period. If you need a litmus test, ask yourself honestly if the case can be made that fast food is more damaging to society than whatever it is you want to outlaw or regulate. If any honest and independent assessment would answer that with a “yes” you need to drop it, like yesterday.

Fast food destroys families. Sounds funny right? But the health consequences of a regular diet of it are well known. Children pick up the eating habits of their parents. Premature death of parents due to diet related illness(now more deadly than smoking apparently) tears apart families.

For anyone that is actively in favor of outlawing things like cannabis, porn, prostitution, and other relatively victimless activities, remember the fast food test and vote out of office ANY politician who advocates for ideas that won’t pass it.

This is YOUR choice. You keep voting in religitards like these idiots in Utah and people like me will vote for someone else, even someone as bad as Hillary. As bad as today’s feminism is, it hasn’t produced the Salem Witch trials, or the Inquisition, or the Crusades, or Hitler who was voted into power by the swing vote of the Catholic Center party(yes I went there).

Teh rest of it we like:

Smaller government. This includes the Military and corporate welfare.

Simpler tax system. Accounting should not be one of the most profitable industries.

Individual rights. Including guns. Loves mah guns.

Curtailing the welfare state. I do believe in a safety net. When I was living in my car and going to college I wouldn’t have eaten if not for food stamps. I have since payed back that help a thousandfold and then some. Safety net good, making it a permanent lifestyle bad. There have to be limits and boundaries, and that means some people begging on the streets when their welfare runs out. F~~~ em, they had their chance. Note: I don’t believe this should include GENUINELY disabled people. Alcoholism and being overweight should never be considered a disability.

Immigration: Let’s end the automatic birth citizenship thing. Nobody else in the world does it, and it’s time for a change. We’re not a struggling country that needs settlers anymore.

See how many things we agree on? The only thing keeping you from getting my vote and the millions that think the same way is your religious asshattery. Set it aside when it comes to politics and we’ll get along fine.

This BTW, is one of the only reasons I like Trump – for the most part he leaves the religitardation behind.

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22574]

There is a reason why men are drawn to the minimalism lifestyle. Said men realize that anything they save will eventually be stolen by society and given to women and others as a reward for bringing misery to said men. So instead, men strive to live as cheaply as possible, while still living in comfort, under the belief, one cannot squeeze water from a rock.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I liked your speech Mr. President.

But I only lean toward “trad con” far enough to say kids should come from two parent households – male and female by the way. Otherwise a house that looks like everyone else’s on the street, in the burbs close to a strip malls and a donut shop…… is my version of hell.

• I’m on the fence about guns.

• Agree on diet! My brother told me he took his kids to Disney world and one morning, at the next table was an obese single mother and two kids who ordered “deep fried french toast”. DEEP. FRIED. FRENCH. TOAST. In the middle of the table was a bottle of orange Fanta (soda).

Not “JUICE”. Soda.

When the plates came, they were HUGE and 4 kids could have shared it. The single mother says “Ok kids you better eat up!! You’re gonna need all your energy today!!!!”.

My brother said he wanted to get up from the table and punch her in the face for cruelty to children.

I like kids, and even though I don’t have any, I sure feel sorry for them sometimes. That’s all I have to say about that.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FearlessMGHOWParticipant 1928]

My views are the same as Keymaster’s. Except, that I’m all for guns and think it should be mandatory for children to learn how to use a gun at a young age in a professional environment. That’s how my parents taught me. I got to shoot shotguns at trees in the woods when I was about 10. It was awesome as f~~~.

Men age like fine wine. Women age like milk. "One hundred women are not worth a single testicle." -Confucius

[KeymasterKeymaster]

FearlessMGHOW wrote:

I’m all for guns and think it should be mandatory for children to learn how to use a gun at a young age in a professional environment.

My uncle taught me how to load and shoot a shotgun when I was 12. It looked like shotgun, but it shot pellets. Not bullets. I definitely don’t think it should be “mandatory” for kids on any level.

Kids should learn languages, art, geography, music, creativity, imagination, TRAVEL, music, dance, THINKING, martial arts, judo or whatever and discipline. DISCIPLINE in all those areas… and I don’t mean wrapping them over the knuckles when they under-perform.

ANYTHING but “guns”. I’m not even saying that to challenge.

I worked with a guy who had a knife & gun collection, like Rambo. He whipped one out at work one day(!) and I just about chit myself. Dude was like Rambo. But never once – in all his life – set foot outside of California. That was unfathomable to me.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FearlessMGHOWParticipant 1928]

Keymaster wrote:

My uncle taught me how to load and shoot a shotgun when I was 12. It looked like shotgun, but it shot pellets. Not bullets. I definitely don’t think it should be “mandatory” for kids on any level.

I just think it would be better for kids so that if they were ever in a survival situation and needed to hunt with weapons such as guns, they’d be able to. It’s like learning basic math in my eyes.

But I definitely get what you’re saying.

Keymaster wrote:

I worked with a guy who had a knife & gun collection – like Rambo. Dude was like Rambo. But never once – in all his life – set foot outside of California. That was unfathomable to me.

I’d actually like to have a knife and gun collection as well. And I couldn’t imagine never setting foot out of a state for your entire life. By the time I was 20 I visited every state in the U.S. except Alaska and Hawaii.

Men age like fine wine. Women age like milk. "One hundred women are not worth a single testicle." -Confucius

[KeymasterKeymaster]

FearlessMGHOW wrote:

I just think it would be better for kids so that if they were ever in a survival situation and needed to hunt with weapons such as guns, they’d be able to. It’s like learning basic math in my eyes.

I also get what you’re saying, but catching & cleaning a fish would come in more handy (and more often) than an extreme survival situation or a lesson on guns. Hungry in the woods? Pick some berries. Don’t shoot a deer.

It’s starting to get funny now, but I can’t agree on kids with guns.

Teach them how to sail. I took a certified sailing course. I also etched glass with a hand-held diamond cutter when I was kid. My mom still has the vase. I made stain glass windows and all kinds of crafts… dyed & baked dinner plates with patterns on them…. useless gay s~~~ like that.

What did it teach me? I don’t f~~~ing know. Maybe it taught me how to sit still for a couple of hours. Perhaps it taught me patience. Maybe I learned how to never be bored a day in my life. A skill SORELY lacking in kids today.

When I hear a kid say “I’m bored”, I see red. But at least I won’t make the front page for opening fire in a crowded movie theatre.

My niece just got a black belt in some martial art – TaiKwonDo or something. That’s cool. I saw her break some blocks with her feet a few weeks ago. Nobody’s gonna f~~~ with her anytime soon. That’s for sure. She’s very well put together.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FearlessMGHOWParticipant 1928]

Keymaster wrote:

I also get what you’re saying, but catching & cleaning a fish would come in more handy (and more often) than an extreme survival situation or a lesson on guns. Hungry in the woods? Pick some berries. Don’t shoot a deer.

It’s starting to get funny now, but I can’t agree on kids with guns.

I guess that’s true. And, I wouldn’t make it mandatory, but I do think everyone at least when they’re adults should end up taking a class on how to properly use a gun safely as long as they clear background checks/have no mental health problems.

I also learned to clean fish at a young age which is pretty cool.

Men age like fine wine. Women age like milk. "One hundred women are not worth a single testicle." -Confucius

[FearlessMGHOWParticipant 1928]

Keymaster wrote:

My niece just got a black belt in some martial art – TaiKwonDo or something. That’s cool. I saw her break some blocks with her feet a few weeks ago. Nobody’s gonna f~~~ with her anytime soon. That’s for sure. She’s very well put together.

Haha, and that’s awesome. I’ve seen some professional martial artists that are able to do some really cool s~~~.

Men age like fine wine. Women age like milk. "One hundred women are not worth a single testicle." -Confucius

[KeymasterKeymaster]

FearlessMGHOW wrote:

Haha, and that’s awesome.

I enjoyed our little exchange here tonight. A pleasure chatting and I have a smile now on an otherwise irritating and dull day. Thanks.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FearlessMGHOWParticipant 1928]

Keymaster wrote:

I enjoyed our little exchange here tonight. A pleasure chatting and I have a smile now on an otherwise irritating and dull day. Thanks.

Same here. This is what I love about this site. You can have convos like this without having it turned into a total rage fest like on most internet sites.

Men age like fine wine. Women age like milk. "One hundred women are not worth a single testicle." -Confucius

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22574]

Keymaster wrote:

• I’m on the fence about guns.

Never forget that your gun is both your last line of defense and you final means of escape.

When society comes to literally take us either to the plantation or factory, likely in the form of slave labor in prison, to be worked to death to fund the welfare state we never benefit from, be we are the ones solely paying for, a gun is your last line of defense.

And when all avenues of escape are cut off, that gun is your ticket out of this living hell.

In such a situation, you are going to die anyway. Better to make it quick, on your terms. Instead of enduring years of torture, while being worked like dogs until you die.

Hunter S Thompson kept a pistol with him at all times, for this very dual concept. To use a gun for self-defense, and as a means for a quick final exit. He eventually did kill himself. Though, he did so on his terms and not the terms of someone else.

Keymaster wrote:

My niece just got a black belt in some martial art – TaiKwonDo or something. That’s cool. I saw her break some blocks with her feet a few weeks ago. Nobody’s gonna f~~~ with her anytime soon. That’s for sure. She’s very well put together.

Keymaster, I mean this as no insult to your niece. But, in most modern conflict situations the martial arts are overrated.

Soldiers only rely on the fighting arts when they either run out of bullets, or they are in such an confined space, during a fight, that a pistol is not practical. And such a situation is a very tight space. And even then, they usually pull their combat knife.

There is a reason we joke about women being shown to be overpowered in movies. That can also apply to women in real life.

One time, Bruce Lee, the martial artists prodigy of his time, was asked in a fight situation which he would prefer to rely on? His fighting skills? Or, a gun? Bruce Lee’s answer was, a gun.

If you wish for your niece to be safe. Teach her how to use a gun. Of course, with her parents permission, beforehand.

[Dr. SableParticipant 1064]

If you wish for your niece to be safe. Teach her how to use a gun.

As if women are not irresponsible already, why give them a gun ?
They got the big brother backing them up. Isn’t it enough ?

Zero Tolerance

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22574]

Dr. Sable wrote:

As if women are not irresponsible already, why give them a gun ?

Having a gun and learning to use a gun are two very different things. You do not hand someone a tool without instructing that person how to use said tool.

Also, given a woman lessons on using a gun, with them having a gun, this teaches a woman to be direct with their intentions. Instead of being a coward by hiding behind the courts, police, and lies, to do her dirty work.

I respect a woman who is direct.

[Dr. SableParticipant 1064]

Sure thing.
Give her a gun and she will still be
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Faust For Science wrote:

being a coward by hiding behind the courts, police, and lies, to do her dirty work.

Zero Tolerance

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Biggvs_Dickvs wrote:

See how many things we agree on? The only thing keeping you from getting my vote and the millions that think the same way is your religious asshattery. Set it aside when it comes to politics and we’ll get along fine.

I don’t get it…some guys is anti-porn and anti-prostitution, but you agree with most of the rest of his platform…yet you’d rather vote for a Hillary or a Bernie who are to the best of my knowledge neutral on porn and anti-prostitution…plus the polar opposite of all those other issues you mentioned like smaller government, taxes, guns, immigration…

I’d rather vote for the guy I agree with 90% of the time than the guy I agree with 10% of the time…especially when that 10% includes stupid s~~~ like porn that will never get cut down on a federal level because religion holds way to little power in most of the country to ever push an anti-porn agenda. Utah is easily one of the most religious areas left in the country…if the worst they are doing is whining about porn who cares. Hell if you are worried about porn I’d worry more about a liberal feminist agenda having the power to attack it than the religious right…the church isn’t exactly as influential as it used to be in this country.

Basically what you are saying is I’ll vote for more government spending, more welfare programs, higher taxes, more restrictive gun laws, and more laws that favor illegal aliens over voting for a republican because some republicans from Utah that you aren’t voting for anyhow unless you live in Utah are anti-porn. That’s uh…pretty dumb man.

[RennieParticipant]

Dr. Sable wrote:

If you wish for your niece to be safe. Teach her how to use a gun.

As if women are not irresponsible already, why give them a gun ?
They got the big brother backing them up. Isn’t it enough ?

And how do we know, she won’t use the gun for some inappropriate reason – like perceived slights.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22574]

Dr. Sable wrote:

Sure thing.
Give her a gun and she will still be

Ah, but that is the only situation where a man can legally defend himself against a woman. When a woman comes at a man with a gun, the man has the right to defend himself with a gun against the attacking woman.

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