Secession

[Anonymous 24]

Doc, this is all I hear at this point…

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Anonymous wrote:

All I hear is the Charley brown teacher at this point Doc.

All voices sound like that when you’ve got your head stuck in the sand.

[Anonymous 24]

Stargazer wrote:

All voices sound like that when you’ve got your head stuck in the sand.

If I need your opinion on anything I will just turn on the T.V. to ABC and watch some news funded by Disney.

M.G.T.O.W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.

sov·er·eign·ty

I think you are on the wrong site Doc. You should go find- GlobalOligarchy.com
Or-
Oneworldgovernment.com
Or-
Fiatmoneyisawesome.com
Or-
Iamabitchtothesystem.com
Or-
Fascismisgreat.com
Or-
Iamashill.com

How much they paying ya Doc?

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Feel free to ignore me, I’m just a small part of the reality you’re already ignoring.

Sovereignty. I understand the word. In the context of MGTOW, I believe it refers to a man taking control over his life (in terms of his time, effort and treasure) as opposed to letting a woman control it. It does not, I believe, mean declaring yourself immune from the laws of government or of science or of reality because these things are simply not possible.

Many bytes of data have been spilled in these forums about the underlying and unavoidable truths of biology (male disposability) human nature (hypergamy and dominance) and government (fiat currency, taxation, private ownership of the commons, etc) and even though there are those among us who believe they can conquer biology, subdue human nature and secede from governance, those are not core values of MGTOW nor, I believe, are they rational aims.

To behave as if they are is childish and silly.

You may now go back to trying to kick your football, Charlie… today’s lesson is over.

[Anonymous 24]

[RoyDalParticipant]

Madman wrote:

I am reading a great book right now called The Real Lincoln.

That book was a real eye opener for me. I recommend it to anybody.

The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War
by Thomas DiLorenzo (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Real-Lincoln-Abraham-Agenda-Unnecessary/dp/0761526463/

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

Stargazer wrote:

Yeah, and I’d rather have wings and fly like a bird. Sure, you’d like to live for free off the land as a sovereign but that’s just it… you can’t. You can pretend to… for a while…

You actually could if you wanted to. There are state parks where you can camp yearly for free. If you’re willing to live in a really primitive lifestyle, like on the survival shows on the Discovery channel, you can live off the land for free.

I’m with MGTOWer, I’d rather eat bugs also!

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Anthony wrote:

You actually could if you wanted to. There are state parks where you can camp yearly for free. If you’re willing to live in a really primitive lifestyle, like on the survival shows on the Discovery channel, you can live off the land for free.

Lets say you go to one of these state parks with nothing but tools and clothing and maybe a tent or even an RV that you’ve bought outright with the intention of living for free off the land. Free means not buying anything, right? So you earn no money and you spend no money… how do you eat? Surely you don’t intend to farm the national park or trap wildlife. Maybe youll fish? Dont try that without a license in Nevada. Maybe you’ll eat mushrooms and berries and drink creek water?

Perhaps you intend to barter your whittling for food… well that food was manufactured by my society so now you’re not living off the land.

Perhaps you intend to live as an outlaw, stealing picknic baskets and avoiding the park rangers like Yogi Bear? Still not living off the land for free and not sovereign. I suppose you really could survive by eating insects and vermin if you really wanted to, but what happens if you should inadvertently break a law? Youll be prosecuted for it, so you’re not sovereign. Maybe you can eat bugs but under no possible circumstances can you ever be sovereign.

Your best possible hope is to get yourself declared a native american tribe and have the government give you some land. Well you wont be entirely sovereign because the government still controls that land… but its closer than trying to escape into a national park.

No, you cant do it… and you know this. You knew it when you said it. It’s childish and absurd to even suggest it and we all know that you wouldn’t even attempt to choke down a single meal of bugs and worms much less survive an entire year in the wild without any support or protection from society.

Oh wait, I think I feel my wings sprouting! Well not yet but there’s a better chance they will than that you’ll vanish into the woods and never return.

I really do feel like Charlie Brown’s teacher. Thank you, Joe, for that perfect image. I am sure Miss Othmar was saying something educational and important that the peanuts gang was just too immature and self absorbed to care to pay attention to.

[Anonymous 42]

Stargazer wrote:

It does not, I believe, mean declaring yourself immune from the laws of government or of science or of reality because these things are simply not possible.

How do you follow lawfully drafted orders from the government to CEASE&DESIST in a land that lawfully states NO PERSON SHALL CONDUCT CONTROL, MANAGE, OR OPERATE? I think you’re dead wrong Doc…

Stargazer wrote:

those are not core values of MGTOW nor, I believe, are they rational aims.

A MGTOW’s internal core values are molded by the scouring and abrasions he’s received from society and the written law. You Doc, appear to have been living on dry down pillow in a big warm comfortable bed.

Try living in the forest under CEASE&DESIST where the body politic is deceased then tell me how fruitful, rewarding, and productive the law is?

Anthony wrote:

I’m with MGTOWer, I’d rather eat bugs also!

Bugs are good to eat and taste better when you strip their exoskeleton to avoid getting their armor plate stuck between your teeth.

And Doc, look around you, the laws everywhere regarding everything have become tragically defunct.

You can hang on the that tattered and torn rag called justice, to me it’s already dead and burried long long ago.

What you need is a good old fashion vicious ass raping in a court of law before you’ll ever understand, so lay that head of yours on that comfortable down pillow and go back to your slumber party and come comfortable sleep, meanwhile I’ll make my bed from the broken branches of justice here in tyrannies forest…

P.S. That comfortable home of politics you’re sleeping in? It’s on fire!

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

Stargazer wrote:

So you earn no money and you spend no money… how do you eat? Surely you don’t intend to farm the national park or trap wildlife. Maybe youll fish? Dont try that without a license in Nevada. Maybe you’ll eat mushrooms and berries and drink creek water?

There will always be free fishing places in America. Like these. Where you don’t even need a license. So nope, I don’t even need a fishing license to fish!

Stargazer wrote:

You knew it when you said it. It’s childish and absurd to even suggest it and we all know that you wouldn’t even attempt to choke down a single meal of bugs and worms much less survive an entire year in the wild without any support or protection from society.

How would you know? As a kid, my family beat down survival skills into my head. I know how to survive in the woods without a problem. Desert environments? Not so much. I’d choke down grilled bugs on a fire before I choked down a court trying to force me to do anything I didn’t want to do.

Surviving an entire year in the wild without any support or protection from society has been something I’ve seriously considered for retirement even. I’ve been considering doing something like that all my life.

And just because society forces you to use their documents doesn’t mean you’re depending on society. It just means society forces you to interact with it at some level. Why would I want to willingy support a society such as that?

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[narwhalParticipant]

Anthony, Tower, you guys are talking about a situation where are you are only without government support. I agree, you may have the survival skills to survive that way. However, that is not the reality of life without government…because you are not alone.

Not only would you need survival skills, but you would need to be able to protect yourself from others who want your stuff, want your labor, or simply wish to do your harm. Although we take it for granted, it’s government that provides us safety from others.

Ok. Then do it.

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

narwhal wrote:

However, that is not the reality of life without government…because you are not alone.

I’d rather take life without government than what we have now. The government is f~~~ed up beyond repair and I’m not going to waste my life trying to fix it. Aside from that, the government never listens to people. So it can die off for all I care.

People always say “life without government” is bad, but what do you do when your current government is a complete steaming pile of s~~~? Just take their crap? I’d rather get out as soon as possible and move into the woods living as a hermit.

narwhal wrote:

Not only would you need survival skills, but you would need to be able to protect yourself from others who want your stuff, want your labor, or simply wish to do your harm

To be fair, you have to do that anyway, especially in really bad neighborhoods. So life wouldn’t be so much different from that. Unless, you moved so far into the woods where you’re away from society.

From what I see, usually when societies and governments collapse, most people in general tend to stay near the city that fell or big populated areas. All the hermits in the woods are almost always unaffected by it.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[narwhalParticipant]

To be fair, you have to do that anyway, especially in really bad neighborhoods. So life wouldn’t be so much different from that. Unless, you moved so far into the woods where you’re away from society.

I’ve never lived in a bad neighborhood, and I’ve never had to protect my life or property. That is entirely due to government consequences.

From what I see, usually when societies and governments collapse, most people in general tend to stay near the city that fell or big populated areas. All the hermits in the woods are almost always unaffected by it.

Well, I guess if no one even knows your there, then you are safe. Regardless, it’s not a realistic option for me and the vast majority of people. I would rather have this current government then live in anarchy, as a hermit, or a possibly worse government. I view succession as something that could possibly become a better government.

Ok. Then do it.

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

narwhal wrote:

I would rather have this current government then live in anarchy, as a hermit, or a possibly worse government. I view succession as something that could possibly become a better government.

Eh, I’m in the “let it burn” camp. No f~~~s given as far as government is concerned. When governments routinely f~~~ over men and boys in favor of women, it’s not government I want to support.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

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