Sandman and Aaron Clarey

[nedlahParticipant 72]

I have been watching their material and videos and I am amazed that guys actually pay their hard earned money to these guys to speak on youtube.. I suppose it is mostly young people.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

They are yesterday’s news. Clarey, like Bernard Chapin, spends way too much time on tradcon politics.

Sandman makes a good point every once in awhile, but most of his videos are boring and he’s pretty much stepped in s~~~ with one of his latest videos.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

They’re both in it for the money and can be safely ignored.

[Qbeck01Participant 57]

When I watch Sandman’s videos, I get the impression he doesn’t fully understand the red pill or represent MGTOW very well. On the other hand he has a few good videos and he does reach a lot of men. One has to admire his persistence.

At the end of the day, so long as the guys are informed of the dangers of marriage and gynocentrism it’s a net good. I hope he keeps it up.

[DahnParticipant 1]

I thought he was going to apologise and we all settle these differences and move on for the betterment of men

[Big Viking Chef BVCParticipant 1286]

I wish he would apologize.  At least we would know that he is paying attention.

BVC

 

Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

BVC I also hope he will eventually give in and admit he made a mistake…admitting one has flaws and faults has always been a masculine trait in my opinion because so few females possess it…I myself left a post to sandman saying I didn’t know about this man he was dragging into this to hide behind,, and feel no guilt about his shaming.. and that he should feel guilty..

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[jimermanParticipant 6]

i am listening to sand man and on the MGTOW forms right now. i have listened to Sandmans videos for the last 6 months, i am a little conflicted with him.  on one hand i love how he is such a workhorse and puts out a new video every day, however i think it would be better if he slowed down and made one or two a week. i think this would allow his videos to be much better.

[Executor MaxwellParticipant 591]

It wasn’t a massive apology but he did apologize for the coward comment a few days ago.

His apology and explanation of his stance goes from the 7:40 mark to the end of that vid.

Whatever your stance on Sandman I wouldn’t lump him in with Arron Clarey. While Sandman may have stepped on some toes and ruffled some feathers. And his comment in MGTOW monks was certainly not well though out in advance, but that’s still a far cry from  Clarey who has shown a substantial amount of blatant malice and disrespect for MGTOW and done so in a deliberate and repetitive manner.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Which one is Aaron Clarey again?

Executor Maxwell wrote:

It wasn’t a massive apology but he did apologize for the coward comment a few days ago.

I don’t follow Sandman, but I have a strong impression the coward comment was just the straw that broke the camel’s back, and he has a lot more straws for which he yet needs to atone.

[BiG_WeaselParticipant 116]

I do follow Clarey on YouTube, and I think his videos are good.  Insofar as his taking payment to cover topics and offer advice, I applaud it.  Its capitalism at its finest.  He offers a service that he obviously has customers for, the price point is apparently reasonable (since people DO pay it) for those customers, and his advice (whether MGTOW, finances, or otherwise) all seems pretty sound to me. He does take time out of his day to put thought and effort (albeit just setting up a camera and talking), and, like anyone else out there, he expects compensation for that time.  If people want free advice, they can always come here.  If they want his, he’s assigned a dollar value to it, and it’ll cost you.

And, no, I am not Aaron Clarey.  I know some of you will ask 🙂

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

BiG_Weasel wrote:

I do follow Clarey on YouTube, and I think his videos are good. Insofar as his taking payment to cover topics and offer advice, I applaud it. Its capitalism at its finest. He offers a service that he obviously has customers for, the price point is apparently reasonable (since people DO pay it) for those customers, and his advice (whether MGTOW, finances, or otherwise) all seems pretty sound to me. He does take time out of his day to put thought and effort (albeit just setting up a camera and talking), and, like anyone else out there, he expects compensation for that time. If people want free advice, they can always come here. If they want his, he’s assigned a dollar value to it, and it’ll cost you. And, no, I am not Aaron Clarey. I know some of you will ask

What about doxing Stardusk and Barbarrosa?

He’s a f~~~ing rat, plain and simple and he follows the same line of thought that Sandman does about shaming MGTOW who aren’t pussy beggars.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Both surprised me. One minute he had a video dedicated to MGTOW and why MGTOW exists ( it’s in the archive) and then he sends that “mgtow are all ugly, angry, and can’t get a date” message. But here’s the thing…..

• “Anger” is not a quality exclusive to MGTOW
• “Bitterness” is not a quality exclusive to MGTOW
• “Ugly” is not a quality exclusive to MGTOW
(Have you seen Louie Marco? The dude is built like a f~~~ machine. And he’s not alone.)
• “Can’t get a date” is not a quality exclusive to MGTOW – women who 9s and 10s have trouble getting a date(!!) And that’s a FACT.

None of that has anything to do with why MGTOW are MGTOW.
Because people like that exist in ALL groups of people.

( The only thing you can KNOW beyond any doubt, is you won’t see extremely attractive Victoria Secret models at an MRA convention. That’s a guarantee. And it speaks volumes all by itself. You will see FAR more men with options among MGTOW. )

The quality that separates MGTOW from everyone else…. is a totally unwillingness to play the game and participate in the nonsense of competing for females. Accept it. MGTOW are simply not interested. Its one of the most difficult truths for women to accept. Even these dudes have a hard time with it.

So who the f~~~ do these guys think they are trying to convince? Everyone ELSE? Or THEMSELVES?

He even advertised his book on our site for like a month… and then when we went through the trouble of creating a 3D flip book and posted it, he was totally unresponsive when we sent the invoice….. and I assure you, the pennies we charged wasn’t even worth the effort. But we didn’t do it “for the money”. We did it to help out other men in the Mansophere who want to make a couple bucks and promote their books. It was far from commensurate , but getting him to make good on the agreement wasn’t easy. We had to send him a message “I hope you’re a man of honor” before he responded. Only then did he jump. But when he did, he canceled the following month. Talk about pulling the rug out.

I would expect that kind of “come here, go away” tactic from a female.

The kindness approach works wonders because it reveals the character on the other end. No response to friendliness or a handshake across the manosphere, but they jump at (and cultivate) a conflict. Sandman even maade a video about all the “infighting” that exists – only weeks ago! – and then pulls a stunt like that.

It just goes to show you no response – just like inaction – goes a long way and says alot. When they aren’t willing to shake an outstretched hand, but they’ll jump at the chance to criticize, it speaks volumes.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

MGTOW are men going their OWN way. As soon as they try to make money off it they stop going their Own way and start going the money’s way. They stop being MGTOW and start being MGTMW. At least that seems to be the general trend to me.

[nedlahParticipant 72]

OP here. Nice to read your replies and opinions guys. I appreciate it.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Don’t forget to remember that this video was pretty much a direct attack on Stardusk as they have had animosity towards each other for awhile.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Anonymous 1]

Here is the RBK reply to Aaron.
I though it was a good one.

Enjoy!

Cheers

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