Roosh Fraud, Game & PUA

[Darth SinParticipant 576]

Greetings fellow MGTOWers. I hope you are all doing well.

While I was scouring the interwebs, I came across this fascinating video.
Roosh Ukraine Talk Show

So Roosh apparently went to Ukraine to “Game” some girls, get laid, write a book about it and sell it.

However, a Ukrainian TV show exposed Roosh as a fraud. You guys should really watch it, turn the subtitles on using closed captioning, and you will see that it is as bad as Roosh’s appearance on Dr.Oz.

Starting at 5:00 mark of the video, the host of the TV show brings in two women that Roosh allegedly met and banged while in the Ukraine. Roosh had pictures of them on his website. Neither woman knew who Roosh was. One of the women said that she was going to sue Roosh for using pictures of her without her permission. The TV show actually did find a woman who had met Roosh. This woman was not interested in him, but Roosh spent a whole lot of time chasing her. Roosh denied knowing her.

The TV show also brought out the man that Roosh stayed with while he was in the Ukraine. Roosh lied to this man by telling him that he was doing research on nightclubs for his employer. This man also confirmed that Roosh always struck out with women while he was in the Ukraine.

This is why Roosh, a supposed master of the Game, apparently a PUA extraordinaire, needs to spend tons of cash to get laid. He rarely gets laid.
Roosh PUA Costs

The reality is that Game is a scam. The typical advice of lifting, being confident can be given by anyone who has some sensibility. You don’t need to buy a book or go to dating courses to get it.

At best, being smooth only makes women who are on the fence slightly more comfortable.

In most cases, when it comes to a woman, she either likes you or does not. You cannot “make women attracted” through either smoothness or “Game” or “body language” or “a smooth seductive voice”. That is nonsense. Remember that we are dealing with biology and hormones. You cannot negotiate with biology and hormones.

If you want to negotiate with biology and hormones, wait until we invent specially engineered pheromones or love drugs or what have you.

PUA itself is a scam. I find it idiotic that men out there try to emulate the behaviors of gorillas and pack animals. Do not fall for it.

MGTOW – That’s where its at.

[NeutronParticipant 321]

Thanks for the info, in the back of my mind I always wondered just how much of the PUA s~~~ was legit.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[RoyDalParticipant]

Even if PUA worked, is it worth the time, money, legal risks, health risks, and general hassles? No it is not.

About Roosh, something always seemed a bit off in his blogs. It was nothing I could put my finger on, but it was enough to make me stop clicking his link after a while. I was not interested in learning PUA methods anyway; so I went on to other writers and YouTube channels that are more to my liking.

Full disclosure: In my blue pill days, I would have sold my grandmother’s tombstone to be a successful PUA. The school of hard knocks educated me out of that before I did permanent damage to myself.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I used to play that game way before Roosh got into it. I’m 55. I thought Tom Lykis’s rules were pretty right on.

I used to get three girls phone numbers a night and I went out a lot. I never had a date with any of them. I met girls at counters mainly. Occasional girls from internet dating sites. Married my wife from a professional matchmaker service.

Women who are ready for a relationship are searching just like you are. Women don’t meet men in clubs to get serious with. :Studies have shown that women go to clubs when they are ovulating, boyfriends or not and f~~~ on the night of the club. This would indicate that if you don’t get laid right from the club your not going to get laid. And this was my experience.

Also, if a woman has to pay a high price to meet a guy, like with a match maker, she’s more serious about having a relationship. Now that makes logical sense.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

In the end, PUA is nothing but a waste of time and money.

Already knew this, but this thing seemingly needs an endless amounts of nails in it’s coffin.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Neutron wrote:

Thanks for the info, in the back of my mind I always wondered just how much of the PUA s~~~ was legit.

There is some useful info in the PUA community, based on experiences of men trying to do this and that. You actually get more “game” material by studying MGTOW stuff, eventhough the point of MGTOW isn’t to “get game” but to leave “the game” (and it can be argued part of it is also to have your own game).

What you end up having happen is that a PUA will do over and over and over, and trumpet the rare success, and block out all the failed attempts. It is trying by large numbers.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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