In total agreement ComingHot. You echo my thoughts, probably the military thing. I would think you were Army or Marine since you are talking combatives. I don’t like the modern Bjj style combatives, just not the right stuff for the field. What are your views on this?
Hey Sarge,
I was in the Army. I do agree with you 100%. I dislike the modern style bjj they teach as well. The only reason combatives came around in 2003 when I initially joined was it was more of a at least they know something mentality that was being taught. I believe they wanted something to compare to the Marines MCMAP program at the time. Thats why the Army came out with the combatives program.
The problem is 99% of the students in the army have never been in a fight, so they had this mentality that this stuff is going to work, no questions asked and the results were disastrous. Ex. the students had a habit of shooting in and trying to dump people. I had to knee one in the head gently for him to get the message in front of everyone. (what works in sports and the cage will not work in real life) You will get knee’d in the face and head if you shoot in and try this s~~~ in the real world and your opponent knows what you’re doing.
I took years of martial arts in HS. (muay thai, judo, bjj, aikido, and a summer of hapkido.) When the program first came into effect in 2003 and I enlisted straight out of HS and got to my second unit. I went to the level 1 instructors and destroyed them. Went to the level 2 instructors, again destroyed them. I didnt even have to take the classes of 1 and 2, they just made me an instructor. Now, this is when the program first came out so I dont know if they are better, worse or the same, I just know what happened when I was there and taught. They asked me to teach level 3, but It was entirely weapons based when I was in and refused on the premise that, where are these clowns going to get some of these weapons in combat, it is not realistic, we need an advanced level that focuses on hand to hand not weapons, but they all disagreed.
The best fighters that I ever taught were martial artists and had some experience. I believe the best fighters learn multiple arts and use what they need at the time. If some people asked me what i would recommend. It would be: muay thai, aikido (and i mean the rough stuff not that fairy s~~~ you see fat overweight men attempting to practice, I mean you are black and blue after the sessions and if you move wrong during a throw you may break something, also they practiced striking in the face or throat before they did the move, not just grabbing an opponent and doing the move.) And BJJ and some judo. If you take those you are set. The best fighters combine these arts and make their own and what works for them.
I asked to teach some of these during the classes to make them better, but the E-6 & E-7 denied me at every turn and said I needed to stick to the program because these guys were going back to their units to teach and they wanted a certain curriculum. Sometimes it isn’t whats best but its the minimum standard they teach now a days.
YMMV.
Sorry to Hijack the tread.
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