RoK Validates MGTOW…Then Cucks for Marriage

[DDJParticipant 1880]

Return of Kings is clearly having an internal struggle between going MGTOW and Cucking for Marriage.

While the author outlines the extremely valid reasons to avoid marriage…denial wins and its back to marriage cuckville.

At least they tried.

Every woman is a slut, if you catch her on the right day.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

DDJ wrote:

an internal struggle between going MGTOW and Cucking for Marriage.

“PUA” is very common intermediate stage on the route to GYOW. They learn quickly it’s futile and even when they “get the bang” and you sit down and have a beer with one…. he confesses, he’s not made happy by his X-hundred notch counts. I actually met a hardcore PUA – who could drop every name in the book – and there we were in a restaurant, and he was telling me about his girl troubles.

A very stereotypical “alpha” looking PUA with the worst case of One-itis.
He admitted it himself.

I showed him the site on my laptop (it was the only time I have done this) and he couldn’t get enough of it. We spent the afternoon chatting for hours.

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The ROK points for marriage are terrible and wildly dishonest:

1.To raise children (with two parents). I agree with that! All kids should have two parents. But ROK forgot to mention the most critical flaw in that fantasy. They are “HER” KIDS — not his. The only children a man can have are the kids a woman ALLOWS him to have. It’s unbelievable omission and tragic oversight that ROK left that out.

2. It’s the only way to build a dynasty

FALSE. Ask Tesla.

3. Being married is good for men + more sex

A blatant LIE. It might mean “more sex” for a Roosh or a Matt Forny, but it’s not “more sex” and it sure as f~~~ isn’t “good for men”. Ask any divorced man how good it was. I would recommend asking Robbin Williams first, but . . . . um . . . you can’t, because he suicided himself.

There is a reason other married men don’t tap you on the shoulder and recommend signing marriage contracts like a good movie or a restaurant. If marriage was any “good for men”, married men would actually tell you. Better to wait until they are back from their naps at the mall with tombstones behind their eyes while they wait for their wives to finish wasting their money.

DDJ wrote:

At least they tried.

At least they tried lied.

ROK asks: “Should You “Man Up” And Get Married?” – implying signing a marriage contract requires either “courage” or “maturity”. But if marriage was a sign of maturity, how infantile is every woman who initiated a divorce?

• Should you “man up” and enter an alligator pit?
• Should you “man up” race some asshole because he calls you chicken?
• Should you “man up” and sign a lease on a dare?

All of them bad, emotionally-based decisions that fail a cost/benefit analysis.
So to ROK, it doesn’t require b~~~~, courage or “manning up” to sign a marriage contract.

It requires — >> STUPIDITY.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

He’ll get burned due to his faulty logic.

He’d be better off just saying “I know that it’s going to cost me half plus child support, but my programming says that I need kids and to get married once or I’m not a real man.”

Most guys that feel this way should just knock up a girlfriend. Genetic material is passed on, and you get away for just child support without the alimony.

He’ll come around but it’s going to cost him the whole enchilada.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[MonkeyMindParticipant 5340]

Marriage is the best way to build a stable society and raise good kids. Or at least it was until Feminism dismantled it.

I’d rather s~~~ in my hands and clap than get married or have kids now.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Keymaster wrote:

ROK asks: “Should You “Man Up” And Get Married?” – implying signing a marriage contract requires either “courage” or “maturity”. But if marriage was a sign of maturity, how infantile is every woman who initiated a divorce?

Saying no to a sea of standards and metrics all placed there to enslave you to a woman and to society takes more courage and maturity that saying yes. It’s easy to say no out of anger, but when you use logic, data and the quest for self actualization as a means to guide and better your own life, that’s a commitment to yourself. When you are actively seeking a journey to be sovereign you need to have the metal to rebuke the shamers and the haters, the brains to guide you around bias laws and s~~~ test traps, the resolve to be alone with yourself, and courage to take full responsibility for your life. That’s what man-ing up looks like. It is not saying yes to marriage because some ROK asshole and the world is pressuring you.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Marriage is the foundation of civilization. Without it, chaos will eventually overcome society.

Ok.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Good deconstruction, KM. That point about kids got me too. Having two married parents of different genders is the ideal environment for kids, but with zero parental rights for men, such a system is completely dependent on the whims of the woman.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[AttonParticipant]

Women destroyed it nothing more need be said.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

Good deconstruction, KM. That point about kids got me too.

It was when I read “marriage means more sex” that I just threw the towel in.
And they are considered red-pill?

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

And they are considered red-pill?

I can’t claim great familiarity with RoK, but I KNOW I’ve read things on their that were pretty red pill, including condemnations of signing the marriage contract. Not sure what happened.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[OldBillParticipant]

Dashiell Hammett, who was a Pinkerton detective before becoming a writer, once explained that, when presented with a situation you don’t understand, follow the money.

Given RoK’s well known antipathy towards MGTOW, the linked piece only seems odd until you look at the author of the piece. That author, Micheal Sebastian, sells a book called Staying Married in a Degenerate Age.

The PUA movement, or neo-masculine movement with which Roosh is attempting to re-brand himself, makes one fatal assumption. They believe that you can develop and keep up “game’ or “neo-masculine” traits 24/7/365 everything will be okay. That if you can keep playing a certain role that role will keep a woman faithful and committed to you thus allowing you to avoid paternity fraud, divorce rape, and all the other horrors that come with marriage.

However, living a lie like that will only drive you insane. You’re supposed to constantly present this false front while having a completely different inner life. If that’s not a short cut to a crippling personality disorder, I don’t know what is.

The truth of the matter is no actions or behaviors on your part will prevent a woman from choosing to divorce you. The “cash and prizes’ awaiting her, real or imagined, are just too tempting.

Remain true to yourself. Any changes you wish to make should be for you and you alone.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[UltimaThuleParticipant 32]

OldBill wrote:

The PUA movement, or neo-masculine movement with which Roosh is attempting to re-brand himself, makes one fatal assumption. They believe that you can develop and keep up “game’ or “neo-masculine” traits 24/7/365 everything will be okay. That if you can keep playing a certain role that role will keep a woman faithful and committed to you thus allowing you to avoid paternity fraud, divorce rape, and all the other horrors that come with marriage.

However, living a lie like that will only drive you insane. You’re supposed to constantly present this false front while having a completely different inner life. If that’s not a short cut to a crippling personality disorder, I don’t know what is.

The truth of the matter is no actions or behaviors on your part will prevent a woman from choosing to divorce you. The “cash and prizes’ awaiting her, real or imagined, are just too tempting.

Remain true to yourself. Any changes you wish to make should be for you and you alone.

I couldn’t agree more.

I once read a thread started by a gentleman on an online marriage forum where he explained how he had fixed his marriage by adopting PUA tactics and sticking to his guns until his resentful bitch of a wife was tamed. Their marriage had been near-sexless with the wife having had emotional affairs and talking about divorce for at least a decade. He was the sole breadwinner of his family and the situation had become unbearable as his mental health had eroded to a point where his ability to work was under threat. After the turnaround, the wife was much better behaved and would enthusiastically provide him with good sex. His newfound dominance and complete lack of any displays of anything but emotional control had won the day. Aside from the sex, his rewards were getting to live with his kids and having no random jerk raise them, and avoiding the alimony bullet.

Although he wrote that he still loved his now obese, middle-aged stay-at-home wife whom he first got together (both over 40 now) as a teenager, I can’t help but wonder how it is possible to love anyone you positively know will rip your heart out if you slip out of a role that pleases them. I can understand staying for the sex and the kids’ sake. But I couldn’t imagine feeling nothing but indifference at best toward anyone having brutally rejected important parts of who I am.

[Anonymous 1]

RoK, They are the guys, who did that hit piece on MGTOW right? They claimed all MGTOW are virgin losers (VGTOW) living in their grandma’s basement. Now PUA are cucking out for Marriage. These guys are just looking for continuous female validation. One chick after another and when they get tired of chasing after that golden vagina, they settle up for a nice little Ms. Sloppy and a wedding ceremony. Yup, the constant bitching and nagging is better than being alone. LOL.

[BoskParticipant 111]

Keymaster wrote:

3. Being married is good for men + more sex

I always had sex with my woman for 23 years.
1 to 3 times a week, almost every time I went for it.
She was often the one asking.
And the latter, the better !

But I was lucky it seems…
How could you stand for so long without sex ?

I made it very clear from the start that she should not take weight, not cut her hairs, or not giving me sex or I WOULD GO ELSEWHERE !

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