Rigs story of disappointment

[RigParticipant 52]

At start I want to apologize for my English, not my first language.
I’m from Poland and I’m 30 now.
Sorry for the long story (and not the most entertaining).

I had a few relationships in my life, the longest lasted for 4 years and it was the best one I ever had. I was very young then and the girl was quite nice. Now I know that it was only thanks to her low self-esteem. She was grateful that I build it up while her mother was turning it down. That was the basis of that “love”. But it’s irrelevant.

This was one of the two that lasted long enough to even mention. The rest took 3 to 6 months. My girls were all crazy or it was unsatisfying to spend time with them. Either intellectually, sexually or they just were mean.
After every such “relationship” I took a long time off. Often I forged my sex drive or “being in love” feeling to achieve some personal gain. To learn, acquire some skill or change something about myself. So it wasn’t all in vain. In fact I’m somewhat grateful.

About 5 years ago I met a girl, that was the second relationship that is worth the typing.

She was a law student and she lived 200km away from me. Another thing worth mentioning is that a day before we met I had an accident. At the time it seemed to be nothing important but later it had a great impact on my life and on our relationship. I just turned from an active man to a semi-cripple (leg issue).
So… we started dating. No big red-flags here. Also, because of my accident, I greatly appreciated her support.
It lasted around a year and a half before we decided to move together. Due to her last year on university and me going back to get a degree (forging “love force” for something of worth) we got a flat in my city. Before that, she made a demand that in order to do that we have to get engaged. I agreed (didn’t make a big deal out of it) and we set a wedding date far to the future.

And that’s where it started to get interesting.

Before that, every friend of mine liked her. They all said that I luckily found someone for myself. She was funny, intelligent and quite nice looking (too skinny for me, but hey… that ass was soooo round…).
Very fast she stared to raise expectation, not to a very high level but enough to be uncomfortable for me. I think that for a lot of men that would be quite a normal thing. Normally I was assigned half of the house responsibilities (maybe 60%) and she was doing hers half nicely. That was fine for me, it still would be.
Problems stated to pop up. First it was my friends. She suddenly stopped to like them. For example, one problem was that they were occasionally doing drugs (and I mean several times a year)… did I mentioned that when we first met she was stoned? And a lot? And one of her best friend was taking drugs every weekend? That was of course things that she was not interested in. She was very upset when I was meeting them ones a week to play games. No drinking, drugs or hookers… games. She said I was neglecting her. She needed more attention.
And then typical stuff, my money where our money and hers were hers alone. I never got any because every payment was on me. “It’s your flat, so you pay the rent…”. And electricity, internet…
There was a day when I wanted do go on a bigger party (my friends stag weekend) and she said that I cannot go, cause we can’t afford it (she could afford the hens night, no problem here). The look on her face when I said that I had some “my own money” was priceless. She nearly exploded. “How dare you save our money on yourself” she said. I gone there anyway but not without a lot of shaming. She even tried to turn my family against me, with some success.
Soon after my friends realized that she was crazy. Said to send her from where I took her in a barrel of tar. I didn’t, she used “I left my life for you” and it worked on me to some extent. Thou it was harder and harder for me to live with her and enjoy it.
Sex was acceptable. Quantity was fine (2-4 times a week) but quality was terrible. It was always the same, she was lazy in bed and expected me to do the full service while lying like a piece of wood. Even that good ass was not enough after a few months of f~~~ing, basically, a demanding sex doll.
Also started to get bitchy, and we quarrelled a lot. It was after half year of cohabitation. It was very hard not to offend her, everything I did was wrong. In some fights she said a lot of horrible things aimed to hurt. But when I reminded her what she said after some time, it was never like I remembered it. She always remembered better and she never said such a horrible things. So I started to write them down. Date, context and a quote. And still… I remember it not like what it was, I misinterpret her words and so on. That was the first red pill I took. A proof that she was full of s~~~.

I knew then that she have to go. I was (am) a nice man, so I was going to send her to devil after she passes her last exam and get her degree. I wanted to have a good life without here but not at her cost.
She smelled trouble, started to arrange marriage behind my back. After some of it was planned she informed me that it’s done and I will like it, there’s no need for my consent… I was not angry, that was just another step that she will fall from – I thought.
But that is too long… Making it short: I dumped her and was living with a stigma of “the monster”. It eroded already so it’s not a problem any more.
After that I started to regain health and my position in life. Now I’m in a very good place and I’m happy with myself.

I returned to my hobbys (board games and dance).

Was not dating for 2 years after. Last year I tried and it turned out to me that it’s pointless. Women are expecting miracles and unicorns. And they have nothing interesting to offer. Hell, they even don’t want to offer anything. They just want to take.
To make it clear, I’m a handsome, nicely build man, I work out and I earn a significant amount of money (top 15%). I can easily say that I’m and 8 and growing. And still when I find a woman of some quality I’m simply not enough. Every woman that is 7 and higher is not interested.

So…

I’m disappointed. My ex showed me that women change at the slightest sign of commitment from a man. The biggest problem is that she was not even especially crazy and demanding. And that was the worst! She was average. So half of them are worse than she was. And the other half… waste of time.
Last year of dating showed that they are all at least boring or (if not) just too expensive.
So as I realized that women companionship is just a fairy tale I started to turn MGHOW. They have nothing to offer but their bodies. I enjoy a cheap chat with one from time to time. But that is it.

Cheers!

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Welcome. Your English is quite good.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

If they find women on Mars …. they’d be EXACTLY the same.

Welcome.

I’m eating Polish blueberries …. the size of my head .. yum.

[Anonymous 5]

Welcome Rig, great intro!

Rig wrote:

women companionship is just a fairy tale

Exactly. The whole “girlfriend” routine in the beginning is just a bait and switch scheme.
Einstein commented ” Men marry women hoping they’ll never change, they ALWAYS do.”
Men really do think they’re going to get intimacy and men are always blamed when women inevitably go sociopathic once they “own” you (or think they own you)

Rig wrote:

a demanding sex doll.

Sex is all they have to offer and the quality and quantity decrease in inverse proportion to ownership of the man.
The demands however, go through the roof.

Rig wrote:

First it was my friends. She suddenly stopped to like them

This is what happens in almost every relationship.
If you’d have stayed with her another 5-10 years you’d have found yourself totally isolated.
This is textbook sociopath behavior but somehow it’s acceptable and virtually never recognized or discussed.
Lawrence Shannon details the isolation process better than anyone in “The Predatory Female”.
He describes it as the “Cutting from the herd”

You’re not the monster, she was.

[Anonymous 42]

Hi Rig, Welcome to the new version of Solidarity, Lech Wałęsa was the soviet’s MGTOW MAN THORN, he had b~~~~! That’s all it takes! B~~~~! Welcome to MGTOW, the Spirit of B~~~~!

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Whew, glad you got out of that mess! Why the f~~~ do c~~~s think it’s okay to arrange the marriage behind the man’s back? Do they think they’ll just be fine with it and always agree with it?

Welcome to the forum, brother!

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[HitmanParticipant]

Welcome rigs. Yes my friend. .they are ALL crazy !

[Anonymous 3]

Friendly welcome from Hungary to Poland!

It looks like, MGTOW philosophy is propagating into Eastern Europe as well. It needs to be like that, as there are bitches who try to take away our lifetime and resources to get their life goals of marriage and children and divorce and lot of money for free during the process.

I am 30 too, and had a similar story that I escaped in the last minute. but that “arrange marriage in secret behind your back” and “there is no need to your consent” is damn extreme crazy! Only thought it could happen in the far-western feminist part of the world.

[EtrangereParticipant 706]

Also started to get bitchy, and we quarrelled a lot. It was after half year of cohabitation. It was very hard not to offend her, everything I did was wrong.

Sounds remarkably similar to the 3 year thing I just got away from.

To make it clear, I’m a handsome, nicely build man, I work out and I earn a significant amount of money (top 15%). I can easily say that I’m and 8 and growing. And still when I find a woman of some quality I’m simply not enough. Every woman that is 7 and higher is not interested.

Yeah I’ve been doing a lot of reading about that , and it sure seems to make sense that the sexual marketplace(as it is described) is out of balance where women who are maybe 4’s are thinking they’re good enough to land a guy who is a 7 or 8. If that proves true then I’m just checking out on all of it….did find a solution though to whenever you feel compelled…trip to Chile where it’s legal and regulated : http://www.planetaescort.cl/

[David199Participant 47]

Welcome Rig and thanks for sharing.

[RigParticipant 52]

Thanks lads.
Good to be here with you and read what you have experienced. I clearly see that I’ve dodged a bullet… from a tank.

About Easter Europe the situation is different than in the west. Still in Poland there is no “divorce culture” and a late break up is viewed very bad. That changes for the worse, of course (35% divorce rate in 2013).
Eastern women start to get bitchy and bossy mostly after the wedding. They know that they cannot do it too early. It’s bad for woman to be alone in this part of the world. Tradition view is dominant and “feminism” is mostly in it’s infancy. We are a very sceptic nation and do not like foreign or new ideas.
Also law here is not as bad. There is no alimony (or I’m not aware of it), just child support. Although it’s high, mostly because it’s expensive country to live.
The bias in child custody is typical. 60% women, 4% men, rest mixed (data from 2013).

I think that this the reason such stances as MGTOW is not popular here. It’s bearable to be with a woman here. If you find one that is submissive she can be kept that way for life.
Mostly cause she is not as much privileged as in the west and marriage law is just slightly in woman favour. Also it’s not always executed. Domestic violence is sometimes ‘secret de polichinelle’.
To summarize, divorce is still a bigger loss for woman then for a man, legally. But socially it’s not acceptable to ditch, even a very bitchy woman.
But still, I have no real experience myself or from my close friends.

“Men marry women hoping they’ll never change, they ALWAYS do”
Very good one. I always said that “Men are getting married to keep what they have, not to change it”. But every time I see that Einstein was right… every, f~~~ing, time.

@Darth Peter
Lengyel, magyar – két jó barát, együtt harcol, s issza borát

[Anonymous 0]

Welcome Rigs
Feels like coming home doesn’t it?

[Anonymous 3]

Rig wrote:

About Easter Europe the situation is different than in the west

Yes, this part of the world is more traditional, mostly catholic traditions, and the trinity of “God, Home Land, Family”. People in general do not like those who are out of this, like me as an atheist with no marriage and someone for whom whole Universe is considered “Home Land”.

Obeying these traditions result in no good for the individual men at all. I do my work, pay my taxes and do all the related paperwork, and live within the legal limits written into the laws. So, no one should tell me what else to do or not to do! And whatever are the circumstances, a marriage, family, children cost money and need a lot of time, and are not in my list of life goals. (Good sex and “love” was in my list in my younger ages, but that does not come without some attached problems to it. Better to watch some cute hotties from a safe distance through an incognito-mode browser.)
For my genetics, there is nothing special in it that’s need to be breeded, all that I have is curiosity and osession into science. And by the way, my some of relatives already have some children. And, as many psychologists say, people copy the relationship of their parents in their own relationship. That, for me, was terrible, and I’ve noticed some similarities to that in my ex-relationships, which is another warning signal. Many people will say the NAWALT thing, but ignore that. Most of women are “like that”, and one could waste a lifetime in searching for a unicorn, but why? I think we have much more useful and funny things to do.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Welcome Rig and thank you for emailing us, and telling your story too. Glad you made it OK. No need to apologize for your English, we don’t begin with apologies here. ( 🙂 ) Your English is far better than my Polish.

P.S. I like your avatar.

I still have a hard time accepting the world without Michael Jackson.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[experiencedParticipant]

Hi Rig,
Welcome to MGTOW.
Thank you for sharing your story.
It does a fine job of describing how their true colors are kept hidden by them until they think they’ve got the upper hand.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Bestieboy666Participant 2358]

Rig wrote:

I was (am) a nice man,

Just the one mistake I noticed in translation. Should be: I am a nice man.
Welcome. I’ve only been here a week or so, It’s busy and friendly and most of all honest.

Women are so bad, if they changed the law so I kept the house, I still wouldn't marry one. I'd rather be homeless.

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