Reverse evolution…?

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

BrainPilot wrote:

I don’t know the correct answer here.

I do.  Cut off the welfare.  Tell the little would-be baby mommas there will be no more support for new children going forward nine months from this date.  Provide free birth control and free on demand abortions.  Regardless of your religious views they are MUCH cheaper than year after year of welfare, foster care, publicly funded attempts at education, and on and on.  Just as women have a “right to choose” to not be a parent, so should men, so allow men the right to have a “fiscal abortion”.  If a woman does not get a man’s written and witnessed consent to be a father, then he has no rights OR OBLIGATIONS to the child.  She can bring the fetus to term if she so CHOOSES, but she is solely responsible for its support.  If she is unable to provide for it she can put it up for adoption, but if she fails to do that and the state removes the child from her then she is on the hook for child support.

This isn’t just the correct answer, it’s the ONLY answer.  Anything else is just kicking the can down the curb, and even this might not be enough at this late date as it will take years for this new policy of responsibility to start having benefits in education, crime etc.

Unfortunately, it’s not a policy that buys votes.  Certainly not one that can compete with giving away free s~~~ gratis until everything collapses by politicians with the happy knowledge that they will probably be on the top of the heap when everything does collapse.  In other words, as things get worse you can expect the greedy hungry masses to put their trust in tyrants, and the politicians fully expect to be those tyrants.  We’re already seeing that happen.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Agreed sidecar,
It probably is the only thing that really will work. Unfortunately, in order for some people to get the message and believe that the decision has (seriously) been made, at least one kid will have to be allowed to starve. Otherwise, they won’t believe that the decision to cut them off is a serious one. No one has the stomach to watch that (yet). That’s why I used the word ‘hostage’ when describing the children of people who produce them, despite being unable to provide for them. either society gives them resource to feed the kid, or we watch the kid starve. The kid essentially becomes a hostage, and the resources to feed it becomes the ransom.

I don’t disagree with the state taking a kid from an irresponsible mother who produced it, but couldn’t provide for it. But as a tax payer, I’d still be on the hook for the cost of it when it became a ward of the state. There is some demand for kids from adoptive parents, but what demand there is from infertile couples is a limited quantity, whereas the ability of irresponsible people to be reproductively irresponsible is essentially unlimited.

Maybe one solution (imperfect but improved from the present practice) is to say that in order to receive welfare for the first baby you can’t provide for, you must consent to implanted birth control to prevent subsequent ones. Of course, this would get zero support in the liberal media and the undisciplined government we have now, but it would at least create some sort of balance and put some limits on what reproductive rights (in the form of taxation) could be taken from people who are producing for their children and given to people who are not.

I think the average productive person has respect for a government even when that government appears to act irresponsibly, or to support those who act irresponsibly, and will continue to pay taxes to support children of people who have produced them without the ability to provide for them. But there are limits to the respect and cooperation that can be expected from that productive person. We don’t see these limits for as long as there is sufficient abundance to feed every child. But when we get to a point when there are not sufficient resources for every child, I predict that productive people’s loyalty to their own children will supersede any loyalties they had to the government that would starve their children by taxation in order to feed someone else’s.

Required implanted birth control for welfare after the first child may not be the right answer. Maybe it’s after the second, third, or some other number. Just about any number would slow the rate at which we arrive at that point of insufficient resources for every kid. But right now, there is no number, which to me indicates that we are progressing toward that point at the maximum possible rate.

At least, this is the way it looks from where I’m standing (single, childless, above average producer with no deductions paying above average amounts of taxes…). I don’t want to see kids starve. But there is a limit to what I am actually able to produce, however loyal or generous I am. Beyond those limits, someone will go hungry, and I don’t think I am going to agree that it should be me. Because I don’t produce if I go hungry, which means we would all starve.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Haha…maybe MGTOW is the wrong way to go in life.  Maybe rather than be a man with resources the government confiscates to redistribute to other people…we should just pop out as many kids as possible.  Flood the market with babies…meth heads, crack whores, post wall cat lovers…knock them all up!  Even that 300lb hairy feminist girl that lives next door that refuses to shave her legs or wear deodorant…man up and take one for the team!  When all the people with spare resources can no longer be tapped to support other people’s kids and people stop being rewarded for poor choices because the resources simply aren’t available…maybe we’ll see people smarten up a bit.

Instead of refusing to play the game…maybe we should just get better at it.

Oh wait…what the f~~~ do I care…I’ll probably only be around another 50 years…it’ll be more fun to sit on the side line drinking a beer laughing as society continues to promote its own decay, and every attempt to fix things only accelerates its decline because anyone smart enough to speak the truth has no chance at ever holding any significant amount of power in a country where almost half our population is takers.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

BrainPilot wrote:

at least one kid will have to be allowed to starve.

Children are going to starve regardless.

So it’s either a few children starving now because their mothers are irresponsible or ALL children starving in a few years because we enabled their mothers’ irresponsibility.  When it all collapses it’s going to be ugly.  And hungry.

BrainPilot wrote:

But as a tax payer, I’d still be on the hook for the cost of it when it became a ward of the state.

But if would be mothers know they will be on the hook for child support no matter what they do if they CHOOSE to have a child, a lot fewer of them will make the irresponsible choice.  And it’s a lot more difficult for them to practice serial pregnancy when they are incarcerated for non-payment of support.

BrainPilot wrote:

Maybe one solution (imperfect but improved from the present practice) is to say that in order to receive welfare for the first baby you can’t provide for, you must consent to implanted birth control to prevent subsequent ones.

Nah.  You don’t get welfare for any child.  Period.  And the implants are free of charge so there are really no excuses for making an unwise choice to get pregnant.  It’s not interfering with any woman’s rights.  It’s just not rewarding her for irresponsibility.

[AFTParticipant 2722]

I really have though about this for a long time, I believe the problem is the “Entitlement Attitude”, being promoted throughout society.  Where is the incentive to work, if a one income family with a child, is financially better off going on welfare.  In Australia an unemployed couple would get $400 each per week, then additional child support and handouts such rent assistance, utilities subsidies and concessions on all sorts of things.  That is better than an average wage, which one member would have to work for and pay expenses to be able to keep.  Transport, uniform etc.

Until an attitude based on  “merit” is adopted, there will be no improvement.  Just working on an average wage, to keep marginally ahead of being on welfare is never going to solve the incentive problems.  But people adapt, evolve, get on welfare and find “hobbies” that pay a little extra, ever noticed how many small businesses are “cash only” I wonder why?  Others develop methods to create wealth via business and investments, and through passive income obtain financial freedom.

Unfortunately, the system is not set up to help facilitate this meritorious prosperity mentality, in fact there are so many systemic obstacles that it is virtually impossible to create wealth with old fashioned hard work.  With so many hands in the pockets of productive people, it is no longer “smart” to be merely productive.

 

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[porky ryanParticipant 18]

i think it’s a sad state of affairs to have to consider all of these possible courses of action to influence people to make better choices.  but considering what is happening in our society today it is certainly justifiable.  the consent of the people to be governed is there because ultimately people can’t or choose to not make the right choices in order to get along with their fellow person and be able to be individually self governed.  to speak of progressing rather than regressing: i think that there is both a higher self which is where abstract concepts like ethical conduct, spirituality and morality are born from and a lower self that inspires instinctive and impulsive traits or animal behavior.  in order for the human race to evolve past a point from being governed to becoming self reliable and governed we must harness the positive traits of both the higher and lower self.  it seems as though the people that act out of impulse and are the ones holding their hands out have only really tapped into the more negative traits of the lower self.  they don’t really consider how their choices will effect both themselves and their fellow man in the long run.  but you can’t see light without darkness.  in order for man to grow as a race out of childhood into maturity i think that the unfortunately difficult circumstances we find ourselves in are going to keep getting worse until it creates a culminating point that will force the issue one way or the other.  either we’re going to sow the seeds of progress in the dark ground we’re surrounding ourselves in order to grow into something new or we’ll bury ourselves totally.  mgtow i believe is part of the solution because it is men trying to live a life they see fit for themselves through personal empowerment, increased individual responsibility and self accountability.

[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

My Goal: To Leave Society.

[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

HotNoob:

 

The video certainly explains a lot about the one-horse town I grew up in.  The people I knew who just barely scraped by in high school were the ones who usually spawned early and greatly.  Me, with all my education, I can’t even meet a woman I like, not that I’m anxious to be a father.  After teaching other people’s children at a post-secondary institution, I wondered why I would want to have any of my own.

 

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I believe there may be cycles of culture that are in bred and therefore subject to a Darwinian like situation with the strong surviving, I think it requires a great deal of self centerdness of modern humans to consider the last 100 years as being a time when the human race “evolved” in the biological sense of the word. It would take 10’s of thousands of years to achieve what feminists delude themselves can be achieved in a few generations. We share 85% of our genetic make up with chimps and 85% with women. Why do women keep trying to change people? It’s either hard wired into women to try to control breeding or it’s because they don’t understand biology. It is too deep for them.

I think the author is mistaken that we are monogamous species, his wife probably pre-read this, and I think we are closer to chimps than we like to admit. Just like humans chimps are always ready to go with lubed vagina’s, they like public sex, alpha males, cheating on tribe with foriegn chimps, live in harems and prefer guys with ridges on their dicks kinda like:

The anatomic human species with special adaptations to make monogamy more likely evolved between 5 million years ago, when we branched from chimps, and 500,000 years ago, when we branched from Neandrothal.

http://news.discovery.com/animals/zoo-animals/primates-satisfaction-sex-anatomy-110309.htm

– DNA analysis reveals the common ancestor of chimps and humans had penis spines and a smaller brain than we do.

– Monogamy among both humans and Neanderthals appears to have driven the sexual anatomy changes.

– The findings strengthen evidence that humans and Neanderthals interbred.

Think you have a rough sex life? Try being a female chimp.

The male common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees had spines on their members that likely increased stimulation during mating, according to a new study in the journal Nature. Human males (and Neanderthals) dropped this trait, while chimps kept the spine.

The penis spines, while improving stimulation, can also inflict damage on females during intercourse.

The discovery, made after a detailed comparative analysis of human, Neanderthal and chimpanzee genomes, reveals that both humans and Neanderthals went on a separate evolutionary path from chimpanzees and other primates after humans often paired up into couples.

The finding also bolsters the theory that humans and Neanderthals would have been sexually compatible and likely mated.

“Humans have evolved a more monogamous long-term bonding system, which involves a whole series of anatomical changes,” lead author David Kingsley told Discovery News.

“Spines are no longer present on the human penis, intercourse is longer, and females are sexually receptive for an extended period of time rather than just around ovulation,” he added.

Kingsley, principal investigator at The Kingsley Lab at the Stanford University School of Medicine, and his colleagues studied such changes on a genetic level. The researchers identified 37,251 ancestral primate gene sequences lost in humans and Neanderthals. Probing even further, the scientists then focused on molecular events that likely led to significant anatomical changes in humans.

The scientists found complete deletion of 510 such gene sequences in humans, most of which are non-coding and are near genes associated with nerve function and steroid regulation. One of these deletions removed penile spines in human males.

These spines, still present on chimpanzee males, “have been proposed to do many different things, including increasing stimulation in males, increasing stimulation in females, removing copulatory plugs left by other males or even inflicting minor damage during mating so that females are less receptive to sexual intercourse with other males.”

Another major genome deletion led to an expansion of specific brain regions in both humans and Neanderthals.

Kingsley explained that genome deletions can lead to anatomical losses or gains, depending on how the sequence is laid out and evolves.

Most of the losses and gains identified by the researchers are also found in Neanderthals, suggesting that the changes evolved after the split of the human and chimp lineages about six million years ago, but before the split between Neanderthals and modern humans occurred roughly 500,000 years ago.

“Neanderthals are already known to have cranial capacities that were as large or larger than humans, so it is not surprising that molecular changes related to brain expansion are found in both Neanderthals and modern humans,” Kingsley said.

“Our study shows that Neanderthals also likely resembled modern humans in lacking penile spines,” he added. “This is consistent with the idea that interbreeding could have occurred between the two forms, an idea that is already strongly supported by the detailed analysis of the Neanderthal genome published last spring by Svante Paabo’s group.”

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I don’t get the whole monogamy debate, whether it is against our biology or not…the fact remains that our brains have evolved to a point where we can control our animal impulses if you want to.  Sure you might have the biological urge to have sex with attractive women and make lots of offspring…but its our ability to control those urges that set us apart from animals.

Plus its a MGTOW forum where a lot of men are going against the biology by choosing not to reproduce and in some cases not to even attempt relations with women.  It crazy so many of us can control out “biological” urges, while a small minority IMO use it as an excuse for cheating.

If you want to just have lots of non-committed sex that’s one thing, but to act like the power of the human mind can’t control our basic biological impulses is a pretty weak argument.

[Anonymous 42]

BrainPilot wrote:

No one has the stomach to watch that (yet). That’s why I used the word ‘hostage’ when describing the children of people who produce them, despite being unable to provide for them.

I’ve given some serious thought to this post, here’s my two cents.

We have jails to create a miserable existence for men that don’t pay the system for their confiscated children, weather it’s fair or not.

The irresponsible female’s level of assistance she now receives is where the problems lye. The FEMA camps now constructed all over this country could be converted to a sort of cattle barn for these irresponsible women, the efficiency of feeding and housing these multitudes would save the tax payer untold billions, and discourage public leaching. People on assistance should not be allowed to vote in any election! Their numbers are now approaching critical mass, enough to collapse this society.

I live in one of the more decayed regions of this nation, My particular “so called” neighborhood is decayed far beyond anything in seen in Detroit, or Michigan for that matter, I’m in the heart of the woman’s suffrage, woman’s liberation, women’s feminism, and the liberal government-solves-all mind set. I’ve stopped paying property tax, the land is worthless under these current and outstanding deadly conditions (dictated by law).

Hey Brain Pilot, the redistribution of wealth plan has only recently entered your line of work, your long hours of dedication are now part of another bubble under construction, and as always, just like me in the housing market and construction bubble, POP!

We’re turning into a socialist/communist nation, a strong centralized federal government with power over all! It’s the worst thing that could happened to us! Our once free market is now under the control of bureaucrats, just like the Soviet  Union of past. I knew a guy from Lithuania with numbers tattooed on his arm, when he was a little boy, the numbers were his DP. ID. (displaced person) from WW2. The Soviet government, just like in Cuba, confiscated his family farm and it became part of the government controlled co’op. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Lithuania started giving back the land to it’s prior owners, he was one of them, the farm was for all intents and purposes unmanageable after the bureaucratic ruination brought on by centralized planning. The Aral Sea (puddle) is another example of centralized planning being a failure, the dust that rises from this man made disaster is loaded with toxic pest-asides and other air-born irritants, this once prosperous region with a healthy fishery, and a healthy economy, is now a health hazard for all in it’s path of destruction.  There’s no going back to the “good ole days”.

Unfortunately we are also in the downward spiral of centralized planning. Our politicians are oblivious or ignorant to the damage and suffering their causing by becoming the new Soviet Union. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that’s the way I see it.

Being single with the ability to think and move on our feet is the only advantage we MGTOW have. I’ve lost all faith, trust, and hope for this society. At some point it’s better to let a structure burn to the ground, rather than extinguishing the flames and rebuilding the same faulty structure. We’ve past the point of salvation for this nation, it’s just a matter of time before guys like BP and others are living at the same standards of today’s window washers. Severe poverty and starvation will be in our future under this current direction of centralized governing.

All the liberal cities run by Femicrats for the past 50 years are ablaze, a ruin, and a drain on the economy through federal redistribution of wealth. The more these femocratic cities are allowed to extract the wealth of others, the more others will fall and become femicratic cities. America has acute cancer, the cancer of centralized planning (the hive).

Throw it all in the garbage can is my solution, walk away and let nature take it’s revenge, Do not attach your self to a woman by all means necessary, their the ones responsible for all this chaos, let them go ablaze with the structure they love and adore so much, a structure built by men, then commandeered by women, let em burn!

 

 

 

Due to centralized planning the promised lands of America are also drying up .

 

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

good post tower,
I was just reading an article last night about the drying up of the water table in California, and about the lack of any will among the democrats who run the place to take real, effective steps to limit water usage. After explaining that they will need to reduce their water usage by about 36% starting now to avoid crisis in a few years, the article ended with arial shots of California mansions surrounded by plush green yards with bushes, pools, palm trees etc… all of which was surrounded by dried up dirt beyond the property lines of those mansions. They can clearly see the problem coming, but aren’t responsible and disciplined enough to take the necessary steps now to avoid it. Later, when they’re in the middle of it, and overwhelmed by it, they will be looking to the ‘government’ (aka rest of the country where the adults live) to make the sacrifices necessary to bail them out of their self-created problem.

Reminds me of the quote by one of my heros:

Those who would look to the government tell them when to plant and when to harvest, will soon want for bread…

(Thomas Jefferson)

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Anonymous 42]

It’s the same thing with our economic situation, spend and borrow, tax and print. The best investments one can make is investing in one’s self and starting your own form of safety net! Finances held within a bank are subject to government seizure, just as the Soviets did in their conquest to rule from a centralized government in Moscow.

Thomas Jefferson is my favorite founder! I’m in his frame of mind! We think very much alike! He opposed the central bank, and felt it was up to the individual states to mint their own money, to be independent of one another. It’s too bad he was right! Look at how molested we’ve become under a centralized system of government!

The writing’s on the wall, but only a very few have the wisdom to interpret it, even fewer respond, or take necessary measures to avoid it.

Being MGTOW is being mobile, and good mobility is absolutely necessary to maneuver the woes created by this gynocentric society. The Marriage contract through gynocentric laws and mandates has transformed manhood into toolhood! I’ll be damned to hell before I allow a woman to have title and deed to all the fruits of my labor, and the keys to my freedom! It’s so twisted backwards for a man, his only logical choice is to flee from all this destruction and go his own way.

[FrankOneParticipant 1419]

Tower: Absolutely.  When Hamilton won and the central bank was established, that was the first step on the Road to Serfdom.  Now, I believe my vote on how my taxes should be spent, should be proportional to what I paid.  And if I have received more than I’ve paid.. no voting until I’m out of arrears… And I believe entities such as corporations that pay taxes, should also get to vote.  This might have a positive impact upon the regulatory state.  Of course Jefferson was right — competing currencies, competing State governments.  Let’s say federal taxes were 1% of our total income, and California taxed at 20% but Texas at 10%, you can bet industry would want to locate in Texas… Why shouldn’t governments compete with one another for citizens in a free market?  Why shouldn’t public schools compete with private schools?

Of course, wars also grew the government tremendously.  This is evident if you plot government spending as a percentage of GDP.  Truly, war is the Health of the State.

Gynocentrism is just one aspect of wealth redistribution from those who work, to those who don’t.  Bear in mind, in 1900, government spending was under 7% of GDP; it’s now about 41% combined federal+state+local.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Anonymous wrote:

The best investments one can make is investing in one’s self and starting your own form of safety net!

Oh, I for one have known this for quite a while from deep down inside. I don’t go with and/or believe in the whole system of dept as a matter of fact I hate to go into dept myself and only have ever done it on very rare occasions, when some bad s~~~ really hit the fan, but even then never ran really deeply into the red knocking on wood / fingers crossed.

I hardly ever trusted banks, politicians, stock exchanges, advertising. The only people that I know I can trust are my few handpicked very close friends and most of my personal equally handpicked network contacts be they of national or international origin.

 

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[Anonymous 42]

FrankOne wrote:

Why shouldn’t governments compete with one another for citizens in a free market? Why shouldn’t public schools compete with private schools?

The whole idea of States competing with each other is now lost on senators competing for the public dole, now NEGATIVE 17 trillion (and diving).

Public Schools are hopeless for boys, the feminist movement has had it’s way is smashing boys into little girls, on the premiss that boys are broken girls, and need to be homogenized. The entire gynocentric school system has neglected and discouraged a boy’s learning atmosphere, the focus has been on girls, and girls alone… Look what they did to Thor! Cutting off his dick! And making him a girl! Boys read comic books and superhero s~~~, not f~~~ing girls! It’s all part of the stark reality that feminism is out to destroy the identity of men! They’ve been at it for more than 50 yrs.

A man’s best option at this point in time is to simply walk away and ignore this gynocentric inferno! Never marry, never be loyal to that which is out to destroy you.

Feminism is Nazi like, there’s no debating them, they will not allow it! They don’t want to understand all the destruction they’ve caused, all the misery and suffering from their hatred of men.

MGTOW is the purest form of antidote for a man that’s been brainwashed by feminism for the past half century.

I’ve had my eye on this s~~~ since I was a kid, I felt the hatred then, I feel the hatred now! The laws reflect this hatred! For instance, by non payment of child support a man is imprisoned and “PUNISHED” for his irresponsible birthing of a child. A woman is “REWARDED” for birthing a child she cannot afford, she’s given a place to live, food to eat, and money to spend! Really! The guy goes to “PRISON”, the c~~~ goes to “EASY STREET”! WTF!???? That’s only one example of feminist f~~~in EQUALITY!

 

 

  

 

 

 

[Anonymous 42]

Ned Trent wrote:

I hardly ever trusted banks, politicians, stock exchanges, advertising. The only people that I know I can trust are my few handpicked very close friends

@Ned, words of wisdom spoken! The only “bailout” I ever received was from true friends and family members in good standing, no one else gives a damn!

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

In the US we had the “Welfare to work program” or <b>Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996</b> (<b>PRWORA</b>).It was short lived but got a lot of people off welfare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Responsibility_and_Work_Opportunity_Act

How do you balance helping people with creating dependance .

My mother lived thru the Great Depression and her mother was probably what today you would call a typical single mother.It appears she was attracted to thuggish men who drank a lot and were abusive.

My mother and her siblings spent years living in orphanages.

My opinion is if a person wants to live a f~~~ed up life thats their business but when they involve children we should draw the line.Too lazy of stupid or disabled or drug addicted or addicted to sex with thugs or what ever to take care of your kids then your kids should be taken from you .

Yes i would say that stupidity  probably has a growing advantage in natural selection at the present time.But stupidity is not sustainable imo.A relatively small population  of smart people would have an advantage over a larger population of stupid people.

Smart people find ways to out smart and out maneuver   stupid people.

Civilizations and empires rise and fall .Thats the way things have always been.

Remember that from all we now know the neanderthals were unable to compete with homo sapiens .(homo sapien does NOT mean f~~) nerd joke) LOL

 

 

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frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[J.D SilvernailParticipant 383]

If every man in America went on welfare there eventually would be no government forcing us to pay taxes to whores. If I dont join the Military like I plan to then I will most likely go on welfare. I might even start a mens welfare movement in order to stop the flow of endless child support payments. In the Satanic Bible it says “Responsibility to the Responsible”. If they keep being irresponsible with child support payments then they shouldnt get any payments at all.

I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.

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