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I suspect that how men and women view the double standard relating to sexual promiscuity is at the root of many of our problems. During high school I remember girls complaining in class about how unfair it is that women develop negative reputations for being promiscuous while men develop positive reputations for the same behavior.
While I believe that this observation is basically true, what matters is not whether it is fair or not, but how we should behave given that it is true. Here women are in a contradictory position – and that affects us men. Women want to be able to do everything that guys can do, but they don’t want to develop bad reputations for doing it. I also think that, in general, they are more concerned about their reputations than men are. But you can’t have it both ways. We guys are able to do a lot of the daring (and often dumb) things we do precisely because we don’t care what other people think.
This contradictory desire on the part of women creates problems because after they have done something that a guy would do that they feel they have the right to do, they face the consequences of a tarnished reputation. You would hope that they would simply accept their choice and learn from their emotional response to it, but unfortunately for us, they have another alternative: they can blame the guy. And boy is society ready to listen to that complaint.
They can indicate that they never really wanted to do what they did. They were somehow mislead or coerced. I’m not saying that all cases of women claiming coercion on the part of men are fabrications, but I am suggesting a powerful motive for a women to fabricate.
Men and women are different. Claiming otherwise can have destructive unintended consequences. But given that some people want us to be the same, putting yourself in a position with a women which may lead her to have to later defend her reputation can result in horrific losses for the man in question. Better to avoid creating that situation at all costs.
Why????? Reputation doesnt matter. Women falsely accuse men of rape all the time(for no reason). Why should we care about their reputations?
I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.
I find it hard to believe that women make false accusations for no reason, or that all false accusers deliberately seek out a man to falsely accuse in order to gain some kind of material benefit. I want to get a better understanding of why they do it.
I think young women nowadays have the wrong expectations about how they’re going to feel after hooking up with someone. They may think going into it that it’s not a big deal, that they have a right to get away with it just like men do. Or they may feel like hooking up is necessary in order to get a boyfriend.
But afterwards, if things don’t go how they want, they may feel more humiliated than they expect. They may not want to deal with the social repercussions that they don’t think should exist in the first place.
If this is a common motivation, then being aware of it as man will make it less likely that you’ll be falsely accused.
Why should we care man, we’re celibate. But if we’re strictly looking at sociology, it’s plain to see the plethora of cause and effect, the whole last century of feminism slowly creeping into culture and law, literally remaking who people are.
They’ve obliterated gender roles. Insecure men and women have no clue who they are, what they like. The societal memes instruct them to do things that contradict 2 millions years of gender instinct. Boys wearing make-up and dresses, homosexuality becoming a hip trend. Girls dressing and acting like boys. The more we excuse the perversion of natural gender identity, the more negative effects we’ll see; birth rate decline, soaring divorce rate, single moms on welfare, misandry, affirmative action, effeminate young men, clueless sluts who hate themselves, a homosexual epidemic spreading like wild fire. It can’t go on like this because it’s unnatural. And that’s just western human sociology. Throw economics, monotheism, and nuclear technology into the mix, it’s a recipe for disaster on par with the bubonic plague.
Today’s average female is completely indoctrinated by feminism. So it’s no surprise they feel ashamed for promiscuity, they are promiscuous sluts. The number of sexual partner per woman, compared to men, is at least quadrupled. The reason is because they ultimately decide whether sex occurs and they slut it up all the time. If a man sat in the bar waiting for a chick to by him a drink, trying to f~~~ him, his number of sexual partners would be sky high too.
I tell it like I see it. The church held a false monopoly on ethics. It’s reasoning for prescribing sexual ethics was endorsed by fear tactics, shaming and unfair treatment of women (the Bible) It’s reasoning for prescribing sexual ethics SHOULD HAVE BEEN more like; women have a instinctive place in being loyal and helpful to men and the family unit, women have a instinctive duty to choose sexual partners wisely and honor them, women are physically and mentally inferior to men (obvious in anatomy and neurology, as well as history). Scientific thinking could have saved feminism from occurring but instead, no objective morality was surfaced in time and in place of the counterfeit morality offered by religion. The rebellion against religion burned down ethics in total, instead of salvaging the parts of Christianity that made sense. They threw out the baby with the bath water and then never bothered to build another baby. That’s how we got all the negative effects of feminism beginning 70 years ago.
Women were too busy peddling a bike with no tires (trying to be men rather than doing the exclusive role they were designed by nature to do)
Instead, they should embrace being born women and all the importance required by that role. They are not doing that because they want to erase masculinity and make the world unisex. They think that memes and democracy and erase 2 million years of evolved DNA. Its pathetic. We need to accept and honor our nature and the roles its designed for us to play.
the double standard relating to sexual promiscuity
It’s not a double standard. It’s a consequence of our basic biology, and there’s nothing anyone can do about that.
Sperm is cheap. So cheap it doesn’t matter if men waste theirs. Nobody cares. If a man had but a single sperm to give to a woman in his entire lifetime, you’d better believe society would put pressure on him to use it wisely. Meanwhile ova really are expensive. Wombs are expensive. When a woman gives hers out willy nilly, she’s voluntarily devaluing it. She is demonstrating a cavalier attitude towards paternity for the supposed father of her children. No man will ever be certain any children out of a promiscuous woman are actually his genetic legacy. In a world where men are obligated at gunpoint to labor in support of children regardless of their true paternity based solely on the word of an inconstant and promiscuous women, is it any wonder promiscuous women are seen as a greater breeding risk, and therefore significantly less valuable than chaste women? This is how it is, and it is not the fault of men when a woman fails to accept it and devalues herself.
Hell, for that matter, it’s not just women. Which commands a higher price? A new car just off the lot, or one with a few hundred thousand miles on it? Is it a double standard to refuse full sticker price for a used up clunker? Women have no right to complain when they add on the mileage and find themselves unable to charge full price. But complain they do. And when they aren’t complaining they try to duck responsibility for their poor choices. False rape accusations are fast becoming the preferred way of doing that because she’s not a slut if he “raped” her.
I find it hard to believe that women make false accusations for no reason,
Oh they have reasons. Just not any good reasons. Selfishness is a reason. Spite is a reason. Irresponsibility is a reason. Vindictiveness is a reason.
Anonymous5There’s a double lie to that double standard!
Firstly, it’s the matriarchy or the old hen’s brigade or the women’s committee that spit chips, contort their faces and speak in “possessed” voices when there’s a slut around their guys giving it out for free.
It’s the women of this world who really impose the double standard. Think back to high school when the bitches turned on some poor bitch who was giving it away for free to the boys, especially if one of the boys was considered relationship material of one of the head bitch girls.
The same goes in the workplace and all through any community. It’s the bitches that gang up and go feral and isolate the “slut”
I know from living in a community that the married wives club would get extremely nasty and gossipy if there was a single woman in their own age group giving it out amongst their husbands single friends, They’re all unbelievably insecure about their monopoly on vaginas.
If it was up to guys, we’d be happy if every bitch on the planet started giving it out for free.Guys look down their noses at sluts but only when considering them as relationship material, and for good reason!!!
Women jumping off the c~~~ carousal looking for a beta male provider think the same of male sluts too, so there’s no double standard there.Guys think their partners are sluts when they cheat, but women think the same when their partners cheat too, so there’s no double standard there either.
The second part of the lie is that men sleep with more partners than women.
If you’re a 7/10 and you’re looking at a 7/10 partner, do you seriously entertain for a moment that she hasn’t slept with at least 3 to 5 or more times the amount of partners that you have ?????????????????????????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,seriously, lol ~wink~, keep it real banana peel!
If you’re a 7/10, and you’re looking at a 6 or even 5/10, do you really believe you’ve slept with more partners than she has?????,,,,,,,,lol…what type of crack pipe are you using?
I reckon if you’re a 7/10, you could go down as low as a 2/10 and at least put even-money on the fact she’s slept with more partners than you.
A tiny minority of Stella Alpha males sleep with 10 to 100 times the amount of partners we average males do,,,and women throw themselves at them. From what I’ve seen in the last 40 years, there’s not many females applying the “Double Standard” to their own sexual practice.
Does anyone here know of any females that adhere to the mythical double standard????
It’s been the same since at least the mid 70’s, probably earlier.To sleep with a partner the average male has to go through an enormous amount of work, time, money, hit and miss and trial and error.
All a woman has to do is smile at a guy,,,and in many cases, all she has to do is drop her guard, lolYet, we still accept this “double standard” accusation imposed by “The Patriarchy” as being real, lol
All that s~~~ changed about a half a century ago with the discovery of women’s birth control, the pill.
It’s hilarious that we still shut up in shame whenever the “double standard” comes up,,,,,,,and it ALWAYS comes up, like some sort of trump card.
The reality is, after a lifetime of indoctrination, we’re far more brainwashed and shamed than we could ever possibly believe we are, and the double standard is an excellent example, and you bringing it up only shows how well it’s still believed and passed off as truth.All this talk about female promiscuity is confusing to a young man growing up now. This confusion is extremely dangerous for him.
I agree with Sidecar’s biological explanation for why we instinctively hold women to a higher standard than men with respect to promiscuity. I think the problem is that both young men and young women refuse to accept that this cognitive bias exists until it is too late. And while women need to be honest with themselves about the potential for negative perceptions of their promiscuous behavior, men also should recognize that they may be putting a woman’s reputation at risk by encouraging her to be promiscuous. We can’t put all the responsibility for sexual decision-making on either party.
As I said above, this issue of female promiscuity matters for men because some women will say anything to defend their reputations, even if what they say isn’t true. Society seems too eager to listen and too afraid to question their accounts regardless of the evidence or the stakes involved for the men in question. Look at this Rolling Stone fiasco. No one in that magazine was willing to question “Jackie’s” story. They relaxed their journalistic standards out of an extreme sensitivity to the “victim’s” wishes.
If you are a man, you cannot rely on anyone but yourself to protect you. I am disgusted at how our society has come to view men, at how easily it succumbs to it’s biases. But we have to accept these biases and somehow live with them, as frustrating and unjust as they are. Some useful ways I think are managing your desires through meditation and using your anger as a motor to drive constructive work.
Anonymous42I smell TROLL S~~~!
We can’t put all the responsibility for sexual decision-making on either party.
Bulls~~~. We very much CAN and SHOULD put all the responsibility for sexual decision making on one party. On the party that makes the sexual decisions. On women.
Did you read nothing I wrote? Do you not get that women, by fact of biology, are the gatekeepers to sexuality? Women have the sole “right to choose”. They should face the sole responsibility for their choice.
With control comes responsibility…although feminists spend their lives trying to separate the two.
Any feminist will say we should have a woman president. An American president is commander of all US military in peace or war. I’ve never heard a feminist demand that half the military be women, or that half the combat casualties of any conflict should be women.
Any feminist will say that half of all doctors should be women. Wanna take a guess why this isn’t the case? Here’s a hint: half of all medical students are women. Here’s the answer: only about 35% of those female medical students are still practicing medicine full time 5 years after medical school. The reason is that the practice of medicine is a gigantic responsibility, and plaintiff attorneys will not let you off the hook for a screw up just because you have a vagina.
All the control and validation that comes with power suddenly starts to look a LOT less attractive when you add some responsibility and accountability to it.
Many women want all the attention and other benefits of behaving like a slut. Aside from the occasional honest prostitute, none of them are willing to be identified and held accountable for that decision. Having successfully blamed men for everything else, why wouldn’t they follow the same pattern?
Assume power, make the decision, reap the benefits of it, shift the downside responsibility to men.
Women are half the vote, but not half the taxes.
Women want half the political power, but not half the military casualties.
Pregnant women have all the power to make decisions vs abortion, adoption, birth… men pay for whatever the decision is.
Women believe women should hold half the CEO jobs, but not half the mining, construction, oil field, agriculture or ANY other dirty, dangerous jobs that MUST BE done.
Women want equal pay with men, but still want men to pick up dinner check.
Women espouse that we are all equal, but still want to ‘marry up’.
Women want equal respect from men, but still want men to open their doors for them.If you find it hard to believe that women make false accusations for no reason, it’s because you haven’t been paying attention.
And if you think I ‘just have to accept these biases and live with them’ just because mass numbers of ignorant people (collectively called society) accept them, then you’re in a coma…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
I agree that women are the sexual gatekeepers. I also agree that BrainPilot has identified glaring inequalities that feminists wish to paper over. Where we disagree, I think, is on what we as men should conclude from all this.
I say that we men are partly responsible for sexual decision-making because we can choose whether or not to try to satisfy our desires for sexual interaction with women. I realize that this is much less of a choice than what women have.
If you truly believe that women have gone too far, that their complaining will never end no matter how much they get, that they misuse the responsibility that they already have, then why can’t you accept that you can choose not to engage with them?
Women control sex because they don’t want it as badly as men do. The only way I can see to shift the balance of power in favor of men is to want sex less. Taking the opposite route by trying to be a “player” only reinforces the pattern of male acquiescence to female control while also putting you at risk of a false rape accusation in the worst case.
I don’t think it is right that our only choice is whether to participate in an unfair system or not. Still, it is a choice.
I agree that women are the sexual gatekeepers.
You say you agree with it, but clearly you don’t understand what it means. To wit:
I say that we men are partly responsible for sexual decision-making because we can choose whether or not to try to satisfy our desires for sexual interaction with women.
And there, right there, you show your misunderstanding of what women being sexual gatekeepers means. Men can choose to TRY all they want, but what of it? You can also choose to try to fly by flapping your arms too, for all the good it will do you. However the decision of whether or not sex ACTUALLY HAPPENS lies entirely with women. So by rights the responsibility for that decision, especially as regards women and and their reputations lies entirely with them. Feminism is just the attempt by women to duck that responsibility. And all responsibilities.
that they misuse the responsibility that they already have,
What responsibilities? We just went over that. Women don’t want responsibility. And how do you misuse a responsibility in the first place?
What women do have are unjustified rights without responsibilities. It’s a “woman’s right to choose”, but only a man’s responsibility to pay.
Women control sex because they don’t want it as badly as men do.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
No. Seriously, have you spent any time around women? If anything they want sex even more than men. The myth of feminine chastity is just that, a myth invented by victorian fools and suffragettes,
We were just over this. Women control sex because wombs are expensive and sperm is cheap. There are only so many wombs out there but sperm exists in unlimited supply. In any market, whoever controls the limited resource controls the market.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
No. Seriously, have you spent any time around women? If anything they want sex even more than men.
Ding Ding Ding!! We have a winner! You’re the next contestant on The Man is Right!
Women are far more sexual than men. When we’re done.. we’re done! Women would go all night if they could have their way. Immediately after f~~~ing her, she will want you to f~~~ her again. Pretty strange behavior from the same bitch who said she won’t f~~~ until the 5th / 10th date , wouldn’t you say?
The moment you realize some are more sex-obsessed than you, it’s f~~~ing game over for them. They have to WORK for their orgasms now.
Women are WAY more sex-obsessed than men.
That’s why women own vibrators! Because they can’t get enough orgasms!This can be proven in a quick stroll down the checkout aisle at your local market of groceries — a place thick to the rafters with women. Take a look at some of their magazines and you will no doubt see a running theme: “Ten Ways to not suck in bed”, “Six Things to do to Your Man that aren’t Lay There Like a Futon”, and “Who gives half a fcuk about socks being on or off?
Jesus Christ that’s pathetic.
As a man, when I buy my guy friends drinks… they don’t think I want to have sex with them. But when you buy a woman a drink, that’s the first and only thing on her mind! “Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? ……….:”
Can you imagine that screaming in your head while you’re trying to enjoy some pleasant conversation over a BEER??? Women are such sex-obssessed freaks who are busy protecting their precious love gates, they can’t even behave in a cordial manner for 5 goddam minutes.
Even UGLY women!! Just offer help a woman with her groceries and in her mind, you’re already dry-humping her leg. Even if that great big fat leg weighs 100lbs all by itself.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Celibate,
We may not disagree so much after all. You wrote that men are partly to blame for sexual decision making because we can choose wether or not to try to satisfy our desires for sexual interaction with women. Historically, marriage was the only way to try to satisfy that desire. Today, there are other ways to make that attempt with women. But for the vast majority of women, marriage is still the ultimate goal, and sex is really the only bait they have to offer for it.While there may remain a few men left who are willing to pay that overinflated price in the attempt to satisfy their sexual desires with women, there aren’t really any of those men here. You can blame those men all you want, but you are not doing so in a place where any of them will hear you. They are not here. And while active membership on this site is still a relatively small number, the number of men between 23 and 30 who have no plans to ever get married is at an all time record high. The number of married adults, as a fraction of the total population, is at an all time low. That’s a very significant fraction of ‘the society’ of which you speak.
What we accept here is exactly that we do not have to engage with them, and we don’t. At least not on the terms as women are attempting to dictate them now. Those terms are that women will have an equal or greater share of power and control, while simultaneously having little or no responsibility. This separation of control and responsibility is the reason for the false rape charges. Is this clear to you now?
What men here, as well as many others not here yet, are concluding from all this is that we are better off with no wife at all than with the wife on the present terms being offered. We can accept that it is a horrible offer and withdraw from it. That’s exactly what we’ve done here. The people having the most difficult time accepting that are the women who now have to face the prospect of having no one to step and take that crap offer. That responsibility has to go somewhere, and men are not stepping up to take it…
If women were really as independent and empowered as they claim to be, why would they be complaining as loudly and as often as they are about ‘where have all the good men gone’. What difference would that make if they really didn’t need a man?
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Women are far more sexual than men.
Which only makes sense when you think about it. Each man has a near infinite supply of sperm at his disposal which he will keep producing for pretty near as long as he lives. If he misses an opportunity for sex it’s no big loss because another will come along eventually.
Women, however, have a limited number of viable eggs, and are only fertile for a limited number of days each month. Every single menstrual period a woman has is literally one more missed opportunity for her genes to replicate, and those opportunities are limited. And shrinking. She may not understand it, she may not believe it, she may not admit it, but her genes most definitely do, and her genes want her to F~~~!
This is why throughout history women have always been recognized as the more promiscuous, less sexually responsible sex. It’s only relatively recently with the advent of the victorian suffrage movements that the myth of feminine chastity appeared. In fact that myth is one of the reasons why women are so f~~~ed up mentally and emotionally. Society tells her she should behave one way, feminism tells her she should behave one way, but her entire biology is telling her something completely different.
As a man, when I buy my guy friends drinks… they don’t think I want to have sex with them. But when you buy a woman a drink, that’s the first and only thing on her mind! “Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? Would I fcuk this guy? ……….:” Can you imagine that screaming in your head while you’re trying to enjoy some pleasant conversation over a BEER??? Women are such sex-obssessed freaks who are busy protecting their precious love gates, they can’t even behave in a cordial manner for 5 goddam minutes. Even UGLY women!! Just offer help a woman with her groceries and in her mind, you’re already dry-humping her leg. Even if that great big fat leg weighs 100lbs all by itself.
Keymaster’s quote right there is like a reality show, he couldnt be any more correct.
I was talking to a female friend the other night and she was discussing guys…again, anyway I asked her straight up “When a guy buys you a drink do you think he automatically wants to bed you?” Her instant reply “YES.” They really are dumb f~~~ers, I have bought women drinks before and female friends with no intention of bedding them.
So now I refuse to buy them anything. Also try this, works a treat in Sydney with the Eastern Suburb snobby sluts. When they ask you to buy them a drink instead of flat out saying “NO” say “No worries, give me your money and I will go buy you a drink.” Do this playfully, with no intention of getting them a drink, and seriously watch their face. They are absolutely f~~~ed! Oh and if they play the “you get the first round, ill get the next one.” STOP it’s a trick and they disappear after you’ve shouted, as they’ve got their drink from you and they then start scouting the room (hypergamy) for the next round.
Stay strong men!
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