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[marriage=miseryParticipant 7]

Disclaimer: this story is probably not unique, but I need support from fellow MGTOW.

I, like many before me, have been misguided into marriage. Despite numerous warning signs, I foolishly marched down the beaten path miserable, uncertain and wishing I hadn’t all along. Yet, I failed to see the obvious and signed the dotted line. Marriage made life worse, so for some bizarre reason, we decided to procreate, hoping life would improve. And part of it did. Being a father to my son is a privilege I cherish everyday. Unfortunately, the beast within her awoke and now life is almost not worth living. I say almost because the best part of my day is coming home from work to see my adorable son.

She is a manipulative, deceitful, conniving, pretentious, lazy aspiring “real housewives” Without belaboring the point, she is every woman a man should never marry. After some accelerated aging and many threats of divorce, I decided to finally follow through. Now that I filed, she has revealed sides of her that make me nauseous. I’m glad I stuck to my guns this time, but the thought of not seeing my son everyday brings me to tears. I’ve never wept so much in my life.

The facts relevant to the question I have are: I am a good father (she has said this to her counselor) and she is not a terrible mother. Have any of you had any experience winning primary residence with their child in a scenario where egregious behavior like abuse, etc was not involved? I have a diary documenting many of the precipitating events leading to our divorce and through the process and while anyone with cerebral blood flow would agree she is a terrible partner, I can only prove that she is not a great mother, not that she is a terrible mother. Hope that makes sense.

Appreciate any and all advice.

[SlayherParticipant 2074]

I’ve never been married or have any children. That said, I empathize with your situation. I have no experience with divorce but firmly believe problems such as yours can be solved with the simple purchase of a sleeping bag and baseball bat.

Best of luck to you sir.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I strongly believe you owe it to your children to be their full-time father. (I’m talking thru my hat, neither a father nor married.) I was a kid once, and my strongest memories are things we did together. Playing cards, or board games, when he could be watching TV. Learning to catch and throw, You get the idea.

I know men & women who grew up without a strong father figure, and I know men & women who grew up with no father at all. Most of the men are whiny manginas stuck in their emotional development at before age twelve — not all but a solid majority — it is not pretty. Don’t get me started on the women: All too many men on this forum have been in tough scrapes with the entitled feminist princess running rampant through our world today.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

Your words hit home for me in many ways. I have been thinking about your post for a few hrs now.
I have raised my daughter who is 17 1/2, but my 4 yr old son is an entirely different matter.

Was with the last woman I was ever with. It’s a long as story that I share in some detail in my intro.
In short, never seen him and she doesn’t want me to. He turned 4 yrs old last month.

marriage=misery wrote:

She is a manipulative, deceitful, conniving, pretentious, lazy aspiring “real housewives” Without belaboring the point, she is every woman a man should never marry. After some accelerated aging and many threats of divorce, I decided to finally follow through. Now that I filed, she has revealed sides of her that make me nauseous. I’m glad I stuck to my guns this time, but the thought of not seeing my son everyday brings me to tears. I’ve never wept so much in my life.

Without any hard proof/evidence of abuse/neglect from her towards your son, it doesn’t look pretty on the courts awarding you custody. Unless that is something you can work out with her, either out of court, or through mediation or arbitration through the court. Been a while here, since I went through that hellish nightmare.

marriage=misery wrote:

The facts relevant to the question I have are: I am a good father (she has said this to her counselor) and she is not a terrible mother. Have any of you had any experience winning primary residence with their child in a scenario where egregious behavior like abuse, etc was not involved? I have a diary documenting many of the precipitating events leading to our divorce and through the process and while anyone with cerebral blood flow would agree she is a terrible partner, I can only prove that she is not a great mother, not that she is a terrible mother. Hope that makes sense.

Without any hard evidence, primary custody is gonna be damn near next to impossible. Especially if she has $.$ in her eyes for Alimony AND Child Support. You could spend tons of $ on lawyers and fight it out and still lose.

With everything you have said about her, you are in no man’s land here. I don’t know how vindictive, or anything else she is willing to be over this. I can assure you from experience with my divorce, I was blindsided by just how vindictive my 2nd XW was. I thought I had a pretty good idea of her BS based on my 8 yrs with her prior to the divorce. Damn, was I wrong.

I can not encourage you enough to tread lightly and have a plan. Recording devices, cameras, discussing this in public places, are some great ideas others have mentioned.

I hope it goes better for you than it did for myself bro. It’s stormy waters you are in for sure.
I am not a lawyer nor am I giving legal advice here….just my 2 bits for what’s it’s worth.

Cheers & Jolly Good Luck man

[ApplejackSpectator 235]

Growing up without a father sucks ass. I know from experience. In my case, my father is just an asshole psychopath, but regardless of whether you’re like that or not, their mother is going to tell them that you are. You should try to get custody and take responsibility for your mistake. I know a lot of people that decide to have a kid to “strengthen their relationship.” It never works. But regardless of whether you should have had the kid or not, it’s not his fault. He’s innocent. Do whatever it takes to make sure he doesn’t suffer.

[MotivParticipant 441]

I lost my first 2 kids in my first marriage, she moved away with them and pretty much lost contact for a couple of years,, Thing is if you make yourself available as I did each of them in turn came and lived with me out of their own choose,(around the same time her child support stopped hmmm) no consultation I know but as they get older they start thinking for themselves, stay true to your self and being the father they need will be best for you and the children, once the wife/xwife goes on a “im going to run you in to the ground” mode your better off out.

Im in this very position again now and If I take out my feelings of the hurt of not seeing my 3yr old daughter I know the right thing for her is for me to be the strong man I am without her watching me be hated on.
Its not easy but a must for everyone if its gone bad,
As for fighting via the courts I do not know but your situation maybe some legal advise might help, Me I tend to try and reason with the nasty one in front of people who she sees opinions matter (other women with a little indifference of some kind) this keeps their mind on whats best for the child some times rather than tiring to hurt you.
Stay strong and get her to agree on terms thats best for the kid.
All the best brother.

Cool story babe now go make me a sandwich

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