Relic from a by gone era

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

I was feeling a little philosophical today, so I wanted to get a general concenus from the forum.

In terms of demographics, I am in my late 30s. I am born to immigrants from the Mediterranean who settled in North America before I was born. My parents are still married, almost 45 years. My mom can be a shrew at times, but my dad’s word is law in their house – when she becomes unreasonable the situation is stopped immediately. Yet their is no need for violence as the vow of respect your husband has meaning.Both my grandfathers and even my maternal grandmother served in the arm services during WW2 for their respective countries. Instilled from a young age was the “virtues” of respect, personal responsibility, accountability, determination, frugality  and loyalty. The family unit came first above all other considerations.

These traits I think have served me well during my formative years. I believe they were the backbone that helped me face the challenges to eventually succeed in becoming an MD. Yet, my education is a product of the 80’s and 90’s. The school system taught that men and women are equal. This is a fallacy. I made the erroneous assumption, due to my background, that equality meant equal responsibility.

By all accounts I should be a success in “classic” society; yet I am woefully ill equipped for contemporary society. All the aforementioned traits are actually a detriment today – they left me easy pray for the modern day feminist society. I was a lamb led to the slaughter.

Does anyone else think that these “virtues” have become impediments like I have been forced to conclude?

Just thinking.

 

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

It just occurred to me that you are describing generations that needed strong familial bonds to survive.  I mean literally to survive.

If we look at the history of the US starting at 1900, yes we had the roaring 20’s but we also had WW I (116,700 deaths), 1918 flu pandemic (188,000 to 337,000 deaths is US alone!), The Great Depression, WW II   Things starting winding down after WW II (405,000 deaths).  Things were much worse in Europe.  Much worse.  It wasn’t until the mid 20th century (era of Guns and Butter) that, in the US, real concerns over the day-to-day needs of survival were mostly gone.  Married couples could afford refrigerators and toasters!  You only need a refrigerator if you have so much food readily available that you can keep a larder in your home.

I believe that basic survival used to be a primary motivation for family cohesion.  In any social group, like a family, a leader sits at the head.  The head of a family used to be traditionally male.  But the primary thing about the head of the family, aside from sex, was that the family head was the primary provider, hence the chief decision maker.

Perhaps this is a factor?

 

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[TheGouliatParticipant 20]

in Times of Crisis( like barely survive) standing together means safety. Whoever Provides most to Survival earns the most respect.

 

in Times of Safety, the Provider earns less respect and have to find other ways to do it. Standing together isnt that much Important anymore because of plenty ressurces.

 

Your Ancestors came from Times of Crises, now, you live in Times of safety. things have changed.

 

[TheGouliatParticipant 20]

we live in Western, safety Culture. In this Culture, now, staying alone is Promoted everywhere.

 

” he still lives in the House of his Parents, hes a Loser” Sounds familiar?

 

in Times of  WW2 and afterwards, i dont think every Adult Person has its own Home, and  those who lived at home with their Parents and Grandparents werent Automatic losers.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

You and I were first prey for feminists. The knew the rules had changed, we didn’t. We were lambs to the slaughter and they fed deep on us.

Our son’s had seen our empty crushed soul’s and started making adjustments in their lives but the fembots were still ahead of them. Most of those guy’s also fell victim but a few escaped and witnessed.

It’s now their son’s, although small in number, that have become the genesis of the revolt. There will be no great battle, just a slow and relentless turning of a screw. Not felt at first …… but we are starting to see the first sniffs in the air.

You were/are a victim of a war.

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

@SoldierMedic – I believe their is wisdom in your statements; mutual survival is the catalyst for many  social interactions and structures from an anthropological standpoint.

By extension, feminism might be born from a time of stability and relative plenty. It’s easy to experiment with a ineffective social contract when Abraham Maslow’s Heirarchy of Human needs is meet by government programs.

Now that I think of it, should this stability change (i.e plague, natural disaster etc) ,  we might very well see a return to a more balanced social contract with women for mutual survival.

 

Yet, the current effects are chilling as already noted. We are about 2-3 generations of males raised in broken homes with little to no male presence to set an example. The culture of “The Self” is rampant. Western society does not have robust social networks which builds in redundancy. If tough times hit, will they be able to bear the burden of adversity?  Most won’t if I was to hazard an educated guess from what I see in the ER.

– Deep Thoughts

 

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[TheGouliatParticipant 20]

I think at least 1 third of the population of each Country in Western, First World wouldnt have the Ressurces and/or Knowledge to survive a deep Crisis like a War.

Even if we just had to Farm our own Food( like my grandparents did in their Garden, so they hadnt to buy everything) many would starv, because we lost that Knowledge. We dont have to learn such things.

And that stands for Wimen too. they dont have to Change to have succes with their Strategy. If times Change and it gets Important to get ressurces, because there is no State or Supermarket where you can buy literally everything, the Change would Come FAST.

[Anonymous 18]

Eyes, you replied to my post few days earlier. It led me to your post here.

I am myself a product of first generation immigrants. I guess the virtues that allowed our parents and later us to succeed (I got my MD too, getting that diploma next week although no residency this year) and lead a life by example are eventually detrimental because we feel the need to wear them proudly because they served us well. Women who have been around the block (c~~~-carousel) know exactly how to use them to their benefit and later discard them, just like their vaginas were discarded by the so-called ‘alpha’ thugs.

An anecdotal story, perhaps some higher power’s ways to swing me to this new world,  all the while I was dating that woman:

In a city I was doing a few rotations I had a roommate for a few months who was there because his wife left him and took their daughter with her. He would come every summer (being a school teacher) from Florida to be close to his daughter. Meanwhile, his still-married-to-him wife was riding dicks left and right. How that man woke up with a smile on his face, excited to spend the summer days with his 3-year old daughter and dedicating his off-time to make things work with his wife so they can all be together again, is beyond me. But I have taken enough hits to my own ego to know when push comes to a shove, a man’s dignity and ego are the first to go to s~~~ter in this modern world.

The coincidence of me being “in love” and seeing this man’s plight then, and coming out on the other end damaged (although temporarily) allows me to bridge the gap now. I would have been that man, nonetheless paying child support for another man’s sperm.

In the long run, the virtues are virtues. It is not easy to stick to the life of a MGTOW I presume, but if it wasn’t for my perceived “naive niceness” as a by-product of these virtues, I would have never been burned, until there is no hope to recover. The illusion of love, a happily married life after, now gone, true life begins. I thank those exact virtues that f~~~ed me up. Because they will serve to give me meaning that a pussy could never ever have.

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