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Since I have defined my own personal reality and discovered the red pill after my divorce I feel I have gained a lot of confidence, but then on the other hand its makes me down at times to realize that society has raised women to view men as tools. Now do not get me wrong men do these things, but some might be considered a MGTOW a player in some aspects. In my personal opinion I always wanted to be married and have a kid, which I did, but then s~~~ happen and now I am a single dad, it is just sad sometimes that people cant love each other and stop with the bulls~~~ games. But I regress….
I think one of the hardest things for a MGTOW to achieve is not to become one that we hate, we just define our current reality and our situations, but sometimes a MGTOW might get lost in what our goals are and become essential “women hater”.
What are your thoughts on this?
I too sue to want to get married and have a kid, but when I realized how women really are things changed and I decided to go with adoption by myself. It is gonig to be hard getting a daughter as a single guy and I would even settle for having a girlfriend and having a kid with her, but with the way women are I have to realize it most likely isn’t worth that risk. And that also means no more sex since I only have sex with women I date, but I stay strong lol.
Life in general will get you down from time to time and nobody is impervious to this truth.
I think a lot of us bemoan the impossibility of having a family and having a son to pass down red pill knowledge to, but there’s just no way to justify it when you balance the risks and rewards.
If the law was not involved and an amicable end to the divorce did not allow any splitting of resources, no alimony in any kind, absolutely no financial gain whatsoever for either party then it would certainly force a woman to re-think her motivations and her ability to jump from one man to another based on his greater wealth or social status. It may very well result in even more unhappy, single, childless women because they wouldn’t be in a position to try and hook a guy and use him or at least realize the risk of p~~~ing a guy off by her behavior. If she behaved in a manner that made the relationship impossible and a guy could drop her flat without her having the leverage of alimony things might be different. I believe a man should support his child with resources, but unfortunately that opens up the door for lawyers to demand an unrealistic amount of child support that the ex would spend on herself after the child’s basic needs were met.
Of course it’s all a pipe dream, and if you have goals and passions that occupy your time and give you motivation to make something of yourself on your own terms, why the hell would you fall into a routine that takes that freedom away from you? If she starts playing the whole “you aren’t spending enough time on me” guilt game then what is the point of marrying her in the first place? It becomes asinine.
I personally don’t want to bring a child into this world because the world is a sick joke to me, as is the human condition.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.I have tried and tried to make them happy. I have had good paying jobs, it didn’t matter, she wanted more. Not only are you supposed to get them wet, you need to get yourself hard, then you need to take care of her orgasm, then you need to take care of yours. You need to do this you need to do that, and at the end you are left just as horny when she leaves your ass, only your wallet is lighter. It is an addiction like any other. The quicker a man puts the ax to that s~~~ the better.
I love women – but today I love myself more, and this is what I needed to recognize. Loving yourself more than another person isn’t misogyny. If a woman isn’t helping me, she is hurting me. Modern women are damn near useless when you pull your head out of her vagina. Most can’t cook, don’t clean, don’t want to do much in bed, get way too emotional in any intellectual debate, are not nice, not feminine, if she makes more money than you good luck in getting her to pay for much, have no hobbies…f~~~ing nothing bro. All the while wielding the gynocentric sword of doom that can slaughter your ass at will. There is no reason whatsoever to be with a woman other than vagina.
I don’t know if it helps, but what I did was just classify the “happily ever after” with a wife as “fiction” in my brain. It’s kind of like how at times, you think, “Man, it’d be awesome if (I had super strength, I could teleport, I could s~~~ money, I was James Bond, I had a robot arm)”. It WOULD be awesome if there was someone out there that supported you, loved you unconditionally, and f~~~ed like crazy. The truth is, though, that it doesn’t exist. It’s a fiction we men made so that we could believe “happily ever after” exists for us, too.
society has raised women to view men as tools
I’m not certain that’s the direction of causality there. It’s just as likely that women have always viewed men as tools and have manipulated society into allowing them to treat men as such.
Either way it only matters to the tools, not to men who don’t put up with that s~~~.
MGTOW might get lost in what our goals are and become essential “women hater”.
Nah. Woman hating is almost an alien concept to MGTOW. I’ll use the bear trap analogy. Say there’s this big bear trap. It’s dangerous. It’s unpredictable. It could go off at any moment. It has a big mouth with pointy teeth that look rusty and crusty with the remains of former victims and are probably dripping with disease. Is this bear trap something you’d want to stick your dick into? Of course you wouldn’t. Is it something you’d encourage other men to stick their dicks into? Of course you wouldn’t.
Finally, do you hate the bear trap? Of course you don’t. It’s just a bear trap doing what bear traps do. You might avoid the bear trap and warn other men against its dangers, but hate it? That’s just silly.
These down moods, and the up moods that inevitably follow, are perfectly normal human psychology. Everyone has them, except perhaps those with some kind of pathology.
We can not please women. We never will. It’s built in to our species that they are takers and we are givers. The exceptions are as rare as winning streaks at a casino, and equally as brief: The casino always wins in the long run.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
“…absolutely no financial gain whatsoever for either party then it would certainly force a woman to re-think her motivations and her ability to jump from one man to another based on his greater wealth or social status.”
ChaosOverAll nailed it, and unfortunately it’s not going to change in the near future, it is what it is.
Think this through in a “left side of the brain” manner. Is it better to be truthful, logical, and happy to see things for what they are, or to imagine something that doesn’t exist-in order to be temporarily happy?
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
I don’t think there’s one guy here that hasn’t been down at one time or another.
It’s just part of the adjustment. The trick is seeing it coming and act. Pump some iron, go skydiving, p~~~ someone off 😆
It will pass my friend. We forget about the hell we’ve been through and stupidly remember the good time.
Think about how you got here. It wasn’t because your life was wonderful now was it?
Men can love, women can’t. We hurt because we can love not because we can’t.
You are here because at some point you were driven here. You done this or that … didn’t work. You ran here and there …. no luck. You tried everything in your power and it failed.
This IS your safe place. There is nothing to miss or pine about. It’s all in your head and in the fembots smoke and mirrors.
You are after something that doesn’t and never did exist.
Be mgtow, make your world and be king of it.
Good thread and question OP, also welcome, If I didn’t welcome you in your introduction.
I don’t hate them, I dislike the things some of them do or how they operate.
It took me 9 years to become indifferent to female/relationship/”love” they define/ agenda at this point, and If I had this website it would be way faster probably, but different.
I came to this ‘mgtow monk’ state naturally through thinking and observing. It was a discovery for myself, by myself. I didn’t ever read any books on human behavior. And to find this website felt like ultimate Birthday Cake at the end of already chosen road.
I would advise going on with your life, thinking things over, listening to music/art/whatever and doing things You love, and taking it easy.
Never forget to relax. No need to rush the thinking process over not as simple subjects as humans/society. That would be my advise, from my POV.
We are complex beings, the road to enlightenment (and That you Define for Yourself. As well as yourself) is a bumpy one, and seems never ending.
Its only natural ups and downs.
PS. It’s interesting for me how an MGTOW website can accelerate the thinking process over this matters, to people who didn’t think it over before, and how what they feel would change in seconds maybe. Thats why I don’t rush it.
PPS. Also it feels like Im evolving in to some e-preacher sometimes.
Good luck and all the energy to you, to rise and help your kid evolve and be life ready, and think for himself. Love Rocky movies for the life lesson quotes btw.
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I known how you feel, in fact, just yesterday I was feeling a little down but after a quick risk vs reward analysis I was back on track.
I’m pleased that their s~~~ty, selfish “me “attitudes is being exposed and displayed for the world to see. At least now men are aware of it instead of just walking into an ambush unprepared, unarmed while blindfolded. I believe all women are inherently like this, either they display it proudly or they conceal it very well, either or beware.
It can be tough sometimes but I’d rather empower myself than being thrown in a meat grinder. In the end the risk just isn’t worth the reward.
"The wounds of honor are self inflicted"
Why do men think that they need a woman to have a child? There are thousands of children that need good, safe, stable homes and can be adopted. Single men are allowed to adopt children.
As a side note, single men with children have a gravitational pull that no woman can resist. Additionally, the child is a perfect reason not to get married to any woman you may be seeing because you can always use the “I’m focused on my relationship with my child” explanation.
I know this because my brother, who is a spinal surgeon has 3 children which were the result of surrogacy contracts. My state doesn’t allow such things, but he traveled to Ohio where such matters are routine. Its incredible how the chicks love the single dad. . . .
Just sayin’
Keith
ONCE UPON A TIME there was a man who never found a wife and he lived happily ever after. The End.
It’s just hard not to summarize societies rules of children today.
Women have children. Men must pay for it.
Men do not have children. The children belong to the woman and the woman only in any reasonable estimation of what actually goes on in families in the US of A.
If you want children you must a. Adopt; b. Use surrogate
99% of men will do c. Trust some strange attractive woman to let him be in his children’s lives in the US today in the climate that women have created.
Then they will wonder why 50% are divorced, 1 in 4 will never see their children again and the other 1 in 4 of the children will be taught to limit their affections for their father so as to eliminate competition. This is now seen as a form of child abuse in the DSM VI and is called parental alienation syndrome.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
You are probably correct, however that is a “self-inflicted” wound and can easily be remedied.
Take charge guys.
ONCE UPON A TIME there was a man who never found a wife and he lived happily ever after. The End.
I feel ya, I still feel down a lot as well, but it does pass…I really have that feeling to “get my s~~~ together” now, hell I start a new job today and will quit my current s~~~ty job this weekend, I’m finding a sense of inner peace I’ve never felt before, all thanks to MGTOW, I finally can put to rest those fictional dreams of finding “the one”, Because “the one” never came along while I was broke as f~~~.
I finally can put to rest those fictional dreams of finding “the one”, Because “the one” never came along while I was broke as f~~~.
Amen to that.
but sometimes a MGTOW might get lost in what our goals are and become essential “women hater”. What are your thoughts on this?
Yeah, I own my misogynistic tendencies. But I have overcome them. It just takes time.
Don’t get me wrong here, I still love to ‘wallow in my own crapulence’. I will always be disgusted with bad behavior. And I am an avid ostracizer. As it happens, I encounter more women who are not deserving of my time/effort than men. I see this as completely rational. The trick for me, is not to automatically ostracize based upon gender, but based upon behavior and beliefs. A piece of s~~~ is a piece of s~~~ — regardless of gender.
But it took me a good while to overcome the misogynistic attitudes I had developed. Since you are concerned about it, I think you are going to be just fine.
Use this time to become a better man. Get bigger, faster, and stronger. Physically, mentally, financially, and socially. Practice the 7 virtues: rationality, independence, integrity, honesty, justice, productiveness, & pride. If you focus upon self-improvement, the emotional turmoil will subside, and soon enough misogyny won’t be an issue for you at all. Just like the agents aren’t an issue for Neo at all.
Anonymous11There is nothing abnormal about what you’re feeling. It’s just mourning the loss of the illusions that we all held at one time. I made that exact same transition on my journey before I ever heard of red pill in a MGTOW context.
One day a switch flipped in me, and it felt great. Now, I’m just purely indifferent. I can read the script. I did leave one female friend in my life as she actually reciprocates the friendship as in we have a real 2-way relationship of mutual respect. A couple months ago I was out with her watching her husband’s band play. I was sitting there analyzing men and women interacting as a red piller. She and I had a good time mocking the blue pill fools and the manipulating c~~~s. The other week I was using my red pill powers in front of another woman, and she was shocked to know that I actually knew that. Of course, I keep my mouth shut tight about red pill to those who don’t appreciate it.
Once you become fully integrated into red pill, those down times will go away. I don’t know where red pill is going to take me in the end, but I’m really liking the ride.
Great topic! Kudos!
I personally get the hardest blues when I see families with beautiful wives and children (and I see a lot of them every day) who seem to be happy and well. It’s hard for me to believe that most of them are miserable and will eventually fall apart. The difference between my subjective reality and stories I read here creates a major cognitive dissonance in my head.
Before coming here, I never had these blues or envy when I saw these families, because I was sure that I will have the same one day, but ever since joining this club, I started to feel bitter, resentful, and withdrawn from society in a major way. It’s hard to rewrite all your life goals and aspirations in a major way. All the motivation is gone. I even started drinking much heavier than usual because of these blues, to the point where I have to control myself to not get drunk nightly.
I know better than to trust my feelings over reason, but regardless of this fact, the feelings still linger. I am fighting these feelings by taking my red pills every day, by praying the Lord to help me see straight, and by thinking rationally, but it’s an uphill battle – red pills are bitter like a motherf~~~er.This has been a major and rapid development in my life, but just like any other major development (like road construction) – there will be a lot of backups and chaos before things take shape and everything gets back to normal.
Thanks to organizers, all of you members, and youtube MGTOWs for all of your insights and wisdom! I spend entire evenings here and it’s been earth-shattering.
proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome
It’s a process of maturity. As I evolve into a Red Pill MGTOW, I slowly come to terms with the cold, hard, harsh ugliness of reality. It’s not fair that there is no Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy, but we grew up and accepted that, as we matured into adults. Now accepting that there is no NAWALT Unicorn to save us from the horrible fate of being lonely is just another process of maturity. We are all getting older, we are on our own and for the first time see reality as it is, no delusions to comfort ourselves with, we grow strong by recognizing reality and moving forward despite the obstacles.
When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
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