Red Pill Depression

[MoonWatcherParticipant 31]

I recently stopped dating. I have let go of what I’ve long dreamt of – living with an attractive woman and enjoying regular sex. I took the red pill and it all makes sense now. I haven’t failed to find this woman. This woman doesn’t exist, not for me anyway. Now I’m having trouble coming to terms with it, like someone who’s lost a limb and still feels it. MGTOW say go do other things you’re passionate about. I don’t even know what that is. I like making money (so women will want to be with me). I like working out (so women will want to be with me). I like having a house (so women will want to be with me). I like sex (with women). Everything’s kind of lost its meaning if there is no woman ever going to be in my life. Why not just mope around in sweat pants and eat fast food over the sink and jerk off to porn? I check the dating sites now and again. It’s hopeless. I hate these women, all saying the same things, clones of one another, entitled princesses looking for meal tickets. I’m so depressed. I want to know how to live the rest of my life happily without a woman. Can anyone recommend a good book or something?

24/7, do it, do it, fuck it, do it! ~Dick

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

MoonWatcher wrote:

Everything’s kind of lost its meaning if there is no woman ever going to be in my life.

my recommendations:

occasional escorts, fleshlights, social activities other than dating, sports, arts, the outdoors, music, playing a musical instrument, volunteer, learn, play video games…

the list goes on the on.

as you get older, you hormones will subside, and it will be easier to focus on what you really want.

MoonWatcher wrote:

(so women will want to be with me)

live for yourself. Do you want yourself?

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

This is an unusual suggestion, but I seriously recommend Bambi… the original novel written in 1923 by Felix Salten. Not the Disney movie (which I think was pretty good too, but that’s off topic).

I think the story has some powerful MGTOW messages, primarily about the importance of being alone if you want to discover true wisdom and survive in a harsh environment… and that includes giving up on females (and sex). I don’t want to give spoilers, but I really think that this book planted the first seeds of MGTOW in my mind. It’s probably not everyone’s cup of tea, but I highly recommend it.

Maybe give it a try. 🙂

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[Anonymous 54]

It takes time.What you dream of doesnt exist.
So whats my purpose in life?

Married men dont have sex. Arnt allowed their hobbys or freinds.

You have freedom and the chance to grow.

[Knight of the ApocalypseParticipant 326]

start with this then look into Stoicism. Start by getting this book. Old Bill talked about Stoicism on another thread on here and I’ve been studying it for a while now. Take a look, maybe it will help you also.

"Just ignore everything women say and nothing will annoy you ever again." - Cu Chulainn

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

Old Sage wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Married men dont have sex. Arnt allowed their hobbys or freinds.

That’s what they don’t tell you. There are exceptions but these are rare. By the time the guy figures out what’s happened it’s too late and you’re tied down with kids and financial commitments.

@ Moonwatcher, I totally get where you’re comming from on your post and could have easily said the same thing myself. My answer is to do the things you used to do for women, but do them for yourself. There’s nothing stopping you from taking advantage of women who are attracted to you because of Money, Working Out, Nice House, but the difference is that now, post Red Pill, you won’t be suckered into committing to any of them. You can enjoy your life, enjoy the women that your lifestyle attracts, and then have the pleasure of kicking them to the kerb when they start trying to control you. Before you would have been blind and defenceless to their tricks, now your eyes are open and the world can be yours!!

Be Happy 🙂

It's Time to get Wise

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

MoonWatcher wrote:

I like having a house (so women will want to be with me).

if you buy a house , and then get married, the house is no longer yours.

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Anonymous 24]

MoonWatcher wrote:

Why not just mope around in sweat pants and eat fast food over the sink and jerk off to porn?

One man’s nightmare is another man’s dream, and I am living it partner.

Just add in stoned, playing video games, and reading about two books a week and that about sums my life up, with the occasional low key hook up now and then of course. A life that many a married man wishes he could live.

[ShineParticipant 1696]

MoonWatcher wrote:

I have let go of what I’ve long dreamt of – living with an attractive woman and enjoying regular sex

MoonWatcher wrote:

I check the dating sites now and again. It’s hopeless. I hate these women, all saying the same things, clones of one another, entitled princesses looking for meal tickets.

Save up a modest pile of cash, take time off work, and take a trip to Columbia, Brazil, or Asia. The red light scene has blended with the dating scene, so you can find a holiday ho-mance on a dating site.

Just don’t fall in love, live your fantasy for a few weeks and then be happy within without her.

If that’s not your thing and your really craving a good looking woman for regular sex? Best work on your net worth… then be prepared to throw most of it away.

"Society is to blame" Denton

[LookAfter#1Participant 352]

Once you find a hobby, sport or even a nice car that you’re passionate about. That soon takes over your life and gives you purpose.
The only difference between a woman and a nice car or bike is… The car will always be there for you, isn’t a pathological liar or cheat and you’ll always get happiness from it, on your terms.
To me MGTOW isn’t “mope around in sweat pants and eat fast food over the sink and jerk off to porn”.
But MGTOW is not having to worry about making a woman happy and be enslaved to her. Its you can do whatever you want, that makes you happy. Wear what you want, eat what you want and when.
Instead of being dragged around the shops that she wants to go to and have all the stress, hassle and domestic arguments. You can do Christmas shopping on your own terms.

[FeralParticipant 98]

My suggestion to MoonWatcher:
Either you DO something about it, or you change yourself to feel good.

(1) DO:
Great women still exist, even though they are rare, and they might not live where you are currently living.
If, for you, meeting frequently a woman that you like is a high priority, consider learning about countries whose culture manifest such women.
In my opinion, Asia and countries in which first generation Asians are expats represent good fits for many MGTOW.
I am not saying that if you find her you should marry her: I am just saying that you can date her, go out with her. It might last a short period or it might last as long as a lifetime: up to the two of you.

(2) Change yourself:
If you are sure that you can’t move country, then, like others in this thread, I advise:

(2.1) Roman stoicism. There is a free introductory audiobook you can download called “Enchiridion of Epictetus”. It was written by a slave! So the author is very relevant to us, men in the current Western society 😉

(2.2) the original teachings of the Buddah. Most interpretations do not give him justice at all: look specifically for Diana Eck short audio lecture “The teachings of the Buddha – The way out of suffering”. She gets it.

The above readings are not religious at all: they are just ways of seeing the world that produce optimal emotional response to tough situations (they are therapies).

[NerdTunnelerParticipant]

That I think is just the detox period when the social programming of pleasing a woman and being a white knight is the ultimate goal…You might feel lost at first, I still am but knowing from the experiences of our brothers in gaining their freedom back after the bitter end of their marriage or relationships…it will get better…Its just detoxing from pussy enslavement…

I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

MoonWatcher wrote:

I recently stopped dating. I have let go of what I’ve long dreamt of – living with an attractive woman and enjoying regular sex. I took the red pill and it all makes sense now. I haven’t failed to find this woman. This woman doesn’t exist, not for me anyway. Now I’m having trouble coming to terms with it, like someone who’s lost a limb and still feels it. MGTOW say go do other things you’re passionate about…..

This is one of the most obvious and profound things I’ve read. After red pill rage, how to deal with the existential (i.e. Why do I even exist? Why even bother?) crisis!

MoonWatcher, I’m working on the same thing, but instead of despairing, I’m going to ‘hack’ it.

The current state of affairs is: MONK MODE (like I am currently) .. PUA.. Red Pill (..Rage, then after the choice becomes:

Monk: Don’t have a problem giving up women.
Purple: (MRA and ‘suckers’ (also MRA, but also fight) who know but aren’t strong enough to be MONK and don’t feel right being PUA
PUA: Understanding just enough to use the psychology to their advantage until they’re caught in the net like Blue Pill.

Imagine…!

Imagine if there could be a fourth.. A different kind of Monk.. (an idea I’m working on)

1. You would have to be honest before sexual relations.
2. You would have to NOT BE ABLE to impregnate a woman.
3. You would have to accept that ‘long term’ isn’t going to happen. Like a shooting star, some are a little longer than others, but all relatively short.
4. You can’t buy into fairy tales, can’t (and shouldn’t) be a white knight in any form or fashion beyond help you would give to any person (male or female) you only knew for a few days.
5. Have to intimately understand how the ‘mating game’ works – which, no offense brothers, nobody has pieced together completely – heck, people haven’t even described the 4 psychological phases of women [much less men].

— Anyhow.. this is a work in progress. And not for the young..

It is something I’m working on. I’ll keep you posted. It’ll take some time. I have to flesh out all the nuance. This is just the ROUGHEST of outlines.

The idea is a committed relationship for an agreed upon time. And to extend the time, there would have to be a ‘safeguard’ which at the beginning of the 3rd quarter of the timeframe, you let her know.

There are many WAYS to hack human nature so that even if you don’t WANT to follow the rules you set forth in the beginning, you have to, ensuring you can’t even be tempted.

It is a ‘pet’ project 🙂

[If these forums were private to only MGTOW, I would give details. Feel free to Private Msg me if your curiosity is burning]

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Regarding Buddha, the major teaching was, “Desire creates suffering.” or “Give up desire and thus eliminate suffering.” This really means find joy and peace of mind in the NOW no matter what you have, because even when you get what you think you need to be happy, you’ll be no more happy than you can CHOOSE to be NOW! In the PRESENT!

True! But..

I met a 25yr old guy last weekend, (when I came off the dance floor) and after I told him the deep truths of MGTOW, he said, “I know! I get it! I’m Buddhist! But I’m having trouble finding drive! I can’t believe such a nihilistic point of view! I’m struggling!”

I gave him the BALANCE which is, “Do not cease to create. Accepting where you are now doesn’t mean cease creating.”

“O.k,” he said.

“Most people think they NEED something to be happy. You don’t.” I said.

Then a girl with nice legs walked by and stopped in front of the couch we were sitting on. She leaned on a rail, short skirt, butt out facing us. We both looked.

I got up and walked over to her, and said in her ear, “Your legs are incredible. Your butt is just. Well… It is.. breathtaking.” I gave her a tight lipped smile as I shook my head and walked back to the couch.

“See?” he said, “You’re into women!”

“I appreciate them, and I really love to make people feel good. It makes me feel good.” I said. What he couldn’t know is that I wasn’t trying to pick her up. i wasn’t trying to ‘convince’ her to have sex with me or whatever else. It has made me a POWERFUL MONK.

I’ve gone out 3 TIMES in the last 4.5 months (since becoming MGTOW [monk] AND EVERY SINGLE TIME, women (in their 20’s and I am 46) have bought ME DRINKS. No lie!

The second time a girl brought a drink to me while I was dancing on the dance floor!

I say this because, when you embrace MGTOW, you become so different people notice.

If you younger can name a SINGLE woman you would say, “I would drop all this MGTOW stuff for ‘X'” Do not even BEGIN to attempt this. Also, understand PUA -only- try their best to emulate a MGTOW MONK, but people (men and women) see through it – a subject for another post.

If you can’t answer WHY do you want a woman, you’re not ready to understand the psychology and tactics that will be employed as they ‘smell’ independence and strength. Imagine yourself as a ‘Bass’ and they are the ‘Lure’ and they will ‘Hook’ you, whereby you will be tethered to them until you break the line, forever with the scars of the catch – exhausted and forever changed from the struggle of hook and line – or worse.

There is no 50/50 after marriage – you either willingly give 90% or they take it, or you struggle against your new reality.

[before I forget]

The balance to the Buddhist philosophy is this:

[counter to existential crisis that happens when giving up desire and goals]

“A Man Without Purpose is Like a Car Without Wheels.” – Boruch Akbosh

“We cannot live without goals because man’s basic nature is to be goal oriented.” – Victor Frankel

“A man without Purpose is like a ship without a rudder.” – Thomas Carlyle

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For MGTOW who wonder why I am pursuing a ‘fourth’ avenue (as yet uncharted type of Monk) :

“The foolish man thinks he will live forever
if he keeps away from fighting
but old age won’t grant him a truce
even if the spears do”

-The Havamal

[And I don’t speak of MRA or Purple Pill – a whole different kind of animal]

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..A notable MGTOW quote, regarding women and how they do not live up to their gender (and I could go on and on.. This quote ‘breaks’ women’s lib of course..)

“If you treat a man as he is, he’ll stay as he is, but if you treat him as if he were what he ought to be, and could be, he will become the bigger better man.” – Goethe

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The MGTOW code:

“To thine own self be true”

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NOTE: To sober up some of you younger ones. And I apologize in advance for talking down to you.

1. Don’t think you’re smarter than the woman you like. She isn’t running on ‘intelligence’, but pure instinct. You probably don’t even realize your own instinct is to give your life. Her instincts are only SLIGHTLY SIMILAR to yours.

2. Realize, if you think you’re attracted to her for more than her body/face, you’re attracted to qualities in her you don’t have or are weak in. You need to strengthen those qualities in YOURSELF, not try to be with someone who has them!

3. Don’t think you can play with fire and not get burned.

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