Rebuttal to Jordan Peterson calling us "Pathetic weasals"

[BigGreg3000Participant 54]

I just discovered Karen Straughan on youtube yesterday, and went through a few of her videos. She is a courageous voice for promoting understanding for MGTOW.

For months now, I have been following Jordan Peterson’s videos, who is taking on the cultural malaise known as postmodernism, so I was rather disappointed when he referred to MGTOW as ‘pathetic weasels”.

Karen Straughan offered a brilliant rebuttal to Peterson’s vilification, but those who don’t have the time, here is a short version she recently posted in a comment thread:

MGTOW is a very difficult thing, I think, for someone like Jordan to appreciate (not in the understand sense, but in the “it’s probably good that they exist” sense).

He’s big on responsibility, and MGTOW are flipping the bird at responsibility (at least responsibility for others, and women in particular).

The conundrum, however, lies in another thing he said in this discussion. (from memory) “Men have been good and punished for their virtues.”

Well, yes. Yes they have. They’re told they are pieces of s~~~ for embodying the very virtues society demands of them, and then them having been and done what was demanded, society uses that virtue itself to exploit and punish them. The good, involved, loving father who is prevented from seeing his kids and then told he’s a deadbeat dad for not being involved with them.

What is the answer to this? How do we reduce or prevent suffering and/or bring about a change to the situation?

If you’re a good employee with a toxic boss who will never treat you fairly, the answer isn’t to be a better employee. The answer is deal with HR and try to get them to require him to treat you fairly, or to quit your job and find a better one.

If you’re a man living in a toxic society that will never be required to treat you fairly no matter how good you are, why not go on strike? Or simply walk away for good? Certainly that’s more sane than repeating, “thank you, sir, may I have another?” every time the system clobbers you.

MRAs are trying to deal with HR. MGTOW are either on strike or have simply walked off the job. Between us, maybe we can get enough attention to convince HR that something’s gotta change.

REPLY

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

BigGreg3000 wrote:

I just discovered Karen Straughan on youtube yesterday, and went through a few of her videos. She is a courageous voice for promoting understanding for MGTOW

You are NOT the first MAN to look to a Women about MEN’S ISSUES, and I NEVER Understand WHY a MAN will listen to a WOMEN about MEN GOING THERE OWN WAY when there are plenty of MEN that produce outstanding content, but to each his own.

By the way, F~~~ Jordan whomever as well. no F~~~s Given for HIM or HIS OPINION.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

One of the few women that speak the truth about the gynocracy.

Great video.

Government housing for women who can’t afford to support their children:

Government housing for men who can’t afford to support their children:

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Anonymous 42]

BigGreg3000 wrote:

I just discovered Karen Straughan on youtube yesterday, and went through a few of her videos. She is a courageous voice for promoting understanding for MGTOW.

For months now, I have been following Jordan Peterson’s videos, who is taking on the cultural malaise known as postmodernism, so I was rather disappointed when he referred to MGTOW as ‘pathetic weasels”.

Karen Straughan offered a brilliant rebuttal to Peterson’s vilification, but those who don’t have the time, here is a short version she recently posted in a comment thread:

MGTOW is a very difficult thing, I think, for someone like Jordan to appreciate (not in the understand sense, but in the “it’s probably good that they exist” sense).

He’s big on responsibility, and MGTOW are flipping the bird at responsibility (at least responsibility for others, and women in particular).

The conundrum, however, lies in another thing he said in this discussion. (from memory) “Men have been good and punished for their virtues.”

Well, yes. Yes they have. They’re told they are pieces of s~~~ for embodying the very virtues society demands of them, and then them having been and done what was demanded, society uses that virtue itself to exploit and punish them. The good, involved, loving father who is prevented from seeing his kids and then told he’s a deadbeat dad for not being involved with them.

What is the answer to this? How do we reduce or prevent suffering and/or bring about a change to the situation?

If you’re a good employee with a toxic boss who will never treat you fairly, the answer isn’t to be a better employee. The answer is deal with HR and try to get them to require him to treat you fairly, or to quit your job and find a better one.

If you’re a man living in a toxic society that will never be required to treat you fairly no matter how good you are, why not go on strike? Or simply walk away for good? Certainly that’s more sane than repeating, “thank you, sir, may I have another?” every time the system clobbers you.

MRAs are trying to deal with HR. MGTOW are either on strike or have simply walked off the job. Between us, maybe we can get enough attention to convince HR that something’s gotta change.

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He’ll see just how pathetic we are some day when he’s being raped in the cathedral of injustice! He’ll see just how much we lost when Bubba uses his rectal for a c~~~ sock!

There’s nothing like another man inside you to change your thinking! Not that I know, but sure as hell don’t want to find out!

Women will lead you to this discovery!

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[DocParticipant]

Need to see/hear the context for the criticism before I can comment.

Boom.
Gargamel came knocking. Nice one Brother.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Anonymous 2]

I really don’t believe a woman would stand up for men just because we are men. She has an agenda or another motive. They all think the same. Talk a good game. They know when we quit they lose and they will do everything to get the genes back in the pool and money in their purses. A chameleon!

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Doc wrote:

Gargamel came knocking. Nice one Brother.

This is part of her video.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Anonymous wrote:

A chameleon!

I only see what she says as a speaker. Not wanting to marry her. LOL.

And the simple facts she states are true. And her argumentation is worth watching.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[DocParticipant]

So guys we weren’t burned in our relationships.

We CONCEPTUALISE as being burned.

This guy ain’t our friend.

This guy contradicts himself. We are weak because we feel burned and beleive AWALT and warn off young men from women.
But he accepts that courts are against us.

In short he doesn’t join up his argument.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[RomulusParticipant 4667]

So let me see if I understand his argument. Societies’ laws…..when it come to men and marriage, divorce, children, property settlements, and so on….are horribly staggeringly unfair to men. But older men who have been thru the worse of it shouldn’t say anything to younger men with regards to the danger of this staggeringly unfair system because….because….???….well he never said why this is a disservice to younger men.

How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being.

[Anonymous 42]

I don’t see him (Jordan Peterson) spitting out any viable options for young men going their own way?

There’s two paths, one leads to the judicial oven after a savage beating, the other leads to a green open pasture of peace and tranquility.

He needs a few red pills himself to straighten out his warped line of reasoning.

Sure it’s horrible living without women, but the alternative is far WORSE! UTTER AND TOTAL EMASCULATION!!!

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

He makes some valid points:

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Anonymous 3]

It’s easy to talk about and insult other men when you are protected and safe. A lot harder to do that in a civilized society where there are repercussions for running your mouth. I truly believe that’s the biggest problem in society, and things would fix themselves if instigators and bullies were not protected. We have women’s and effeminate men’s definition of civilization today: to be able to talk as much s~~~ as you want while others are banned from doing anything.

[Golgotha777Participant 326]

I’ll take the apology, albeit a half hearted one. If the average person sees a guy in the red pill rage stage without knowing why they are angry, it’s easy to assume they are just mentally unhinged. Angry MGTOW is a stellar example of someone who is mentally unhinged.

Gender dynamics go into the fundamentals of human psychology and should not be taken lightly. I assume Mr. Peterson made a snap judgment of a much larger issue.

[Anonymous 42]

Golgotha777 wrote:

MGTOW is a stellar example of someone who is mentally unhinged.

NFG MGTOW is the ability to throw away the doors and hinges for easy access to peace and tranquility. Some guys (myself included) blow out the walls and remove the door frames!

[DocParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Golgotha777 wrote:

MGTOW is a stellar example of someone who is mentally unhinged.

NFG MGTOW is the ability to throw away the doors and hinges for easy access to peace and tranquility. Some guys (myself included) blow out the walls and remove the door frames!

It’s the best way. MGTOW IS FINDING THAT WIDE OPEN VIEW AND STSTING THERE. AND F~~~ EVERYONE ELSE.

ESPECIALY GUYS LIKE This guy Jordan Peterson who is half assed.
Seems like a lasy thinker who can’t tell the difference between evidence and an opinion.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Golgotha777Participant 326]

I was talking about AngryMGTOW, the youtuber. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with him.

Last I heard from him he was on a live stream with Turd Flinging Monkey talking about f~~~ing him in the ass. He’s legit crazy.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Jordan Peterson makes some pretty good points about feminism, just as Marx and Lenin did about capitalism, but like those latter two, there are no viable and actionable solutions offered.

Wishful thinking is not a winning strategy, but knowing when not to fight IS, as Sun Tzu once said.

I felt obligated several months ago to harshly respond to that tradcuck.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

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