Rambling by a computer programmer about DNA.

[iMickey503Participant 12468]

Rude to just start out with just a link, but I think its worthwhile for those who are into the field of Robotics, AI, and “other things” like computer programing.

Bert Hubert, he lists some important milestones from a Computer Programmer’s point of view on the subject.

Berts list of accomplishments are no joke. You have to forgive him, on his Dutch oven views on things, but I think he gots some real insight on this topic of DNA and its similarity to computer code.

digital dna google slide show

What he is stating is that the code of the DNA is remarkably uncanny resemblance to Computer code and may compile as such. What is hard to grasp is that he actually goes into how it would be coded to RUN on a computer, and he points out the difficulty of how to separate the DNA “words” in a matter of speaking.

For example, the OSI model used to explain basic parts of the ethernet protocol to students studying computer networking, names the physical layer as layer 1.

This being the first and lowest layer or base layer needed for all other layers to function would be the best analogy needed to understand the breakdown of how to transmit the code down the line and understand the separation and timing of the code so that it can be understood on the basis that we see the dna code. But can’t yet tell how the notes on a page are organized to make the melody, or its “Time” that they need to be played in order to make the musical arangment at its whole. Not just parts.

Now just for refrence, here is the OSI model.

7. Application layer[show]
6. Presentation layer[show]
5. Session layer[show]
4. Transport layer[show]
3. Network layer[show]
2. Data link layer[show]
1. Physical layer[show]

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[ShineParticipant 1696]

Great stuff, and I can see the connection. Maths, algorithms, programming languages, data, format etc etc is mimicked in nature and also out own cells. I’ve worked with computer code and it gets ingrained into the way you think and process things, more than just analytical problem solving, years of coding is a large job for the mind to process so much information. It makes sense that our brains operate on similar ways as computers, as they are built to assist the creator. I’m sure we have only reached the tip of the ice burg for computer science in the information age.

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[Anonymous 5]

“Where binary encoding has 0 and 1 to work with (2 – hence the ‘bi’nary), DNA has 4 positions, T, C, G and A.”

It’s incorrect to state DNA has 4 positions because there are four nucleic acids T, C, G and A.
If he studied a little closer he’d realize DNA is binary encoding as well.
Adenine always pairs with Thymine, always, no exceptions.
Guanine always pairs with Cytosine, always, no exceptions.
There are only 2 possibilities with DNA and we can label them “AT/GA” or “On/Off” or “Zero/One” or whatever we choose.
It’s not similar to binary encoding, it’s exactly the same.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Don’t understand any of this stuff.

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[JuehueParticipant 1316]

Just wondering if computer got error in pairing like AC or TT dimer or any other mutagens?

[iMickey503Participant 12468]

Anonymous wrote:

“Where binary encoding has 0 and 1 to work with (2 – hence the ‘bi’nary), DNA has 4 positions, T, C, G and A.”

It’s incorrect to state DNA has 4 positions because there are four nucleic acids T, C, G and A.
If he studied a little closer he’d realize DNA is binary encoding as well.
Adenine always pairs with Thymine, always, no exceptions.
Guanine always pairs with Cytosine, always, no exceptions.
There are only 2 possibilities with DNA and we can label them “AT/GA” or “On/Off” or “Zero/One” or whatever we choose.
It’s not similar to binary encoding, it’s exactly the same.

These are the discussions I have found.

Mike wrote this on the subject, but where he seems to get a bit vague is where he says outright it is indeed is represented in Binary value.

Here is where I am having trouble visualizing this.

Take a look at this chart that is said to represent DNA in a Bianary form.

(Credit: Gary McCallister DNA as a Binary Code
2/28/2005 – Gary McCallister )

Now, here is where I am confused and I think this guy explained it best:

John Johnson, PhD student in Applied Physiology at Georgia Institute of Technology
Answered May 14, 2014
In binary numbers, each position can have one of two values, 1 or 0. That’s what makes in binary. Bi meaning two. DNA, on the other hand, can have one of four values at each position, as you correctly noted: G A T or C. That means it is quaternary.

However, Kirk explains it as this:

Kirk Janowiak, studied Genetics and Heredity at Indiana University
Answered May 14, 2014
If you are referring to the fact that DNA is found as two antiparallel strands, then that is true. DNA is usually a 2-stranded molecule.

Otherwise, binary refers to having but two states.
You could think of it as: on or off, yes or no, black or white; with no states in between.

DNA is not like this, although there are places along the DNA molecule where there may be segments or genes that are either “on” or “off.”

Now I will get to why this is important in a bit after this guy states that:

Peter Webb
Answered Dec 1, 2015
Computer languages are set up to use base 10. Its the hardware which uses binary.

Instead of having 0 Volts representing zero and 5 Volts representing 1, and giving 0 and 1 as the only voltages, we could have 0V, 2V, 3V and 5V giving o,1,2,3 as possible voltages and hence quaternary numbers. This makes the electronics massively harder to build, and much less reliable ( I think they tried base 3 in the 1950s, which is a bit easier). So we use binary, 0 and 1.

In a sense though, be do use base-4. If you take a binary number like 01110010 you can just consider it in pairs to get 01,11,o0,10 which is 1,3,0,2 = 1302 in quaternary. In reverse, 2213 would be 10,10,01,11 = 10100111 in base 2. So whether computers are really base-2 or base-4 are just a matter of whether you count the bits one at a time or two at a time.

Point being. Is the code native code, or running on hard iron? Or is the code that is written from DNA going to need to be compiled before being ran natively? That is what I am wondering.

The bigger motive behind this would be, do we need a computer to then use non binary logic to at last mimic the execution of the code? Or is it esentially another kind of method being used?

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[SandalsParticipant 4254]

Genes are not switches, as I understand it. They are related to other genes in comlex ways.

[CthulhuParticipant 698]

I always thought DNA strands were a lot like PLCs. Every time I see a PLC, I think it’s the computer’s base equivalent of brain matter in its simplest form. I have been known to be a total idiot even though I’m a programmer.

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[ChristopherParticipant 2478]

@ iMickey503 / MGTOW brothers: Interesting topic and posts.

Bill Gates once stated: “Human DNA is like a computer program, but far, far more advanced than any software we’ve ever created.”

DNA can be thought of as having hardware and software. The sequence of the nucleotides along the DNA string codes all the information a cell needs to perform one or more of the thousands of functions in a living organism.

How did this incredibly complex instructional information get there? imho Intelligent Design is obvious. However, evolutionary theory maintains that life arose from random chance processes such as spontaneous life formation via RNA.

Robert Shapiro, professor of chemistry at the University of New York, wrote: “the chances against it [spontaneous life formation via RNA] are so immense that the suggestion implies that the non-living world had animate desire to generate RNA. The majority of origin-of-life scientists who still support the RNA-first theory either accept this concept or feel that the immensely unfavourable odds were simply overcome by good luck.”

The book ‘Rethinking Darwin’ gives an interesting account of this in the context of the theory of neo-darwinian evolution Vs intelligent design.

Any mention of evolution vs intelligent design usually sparks a ‘never ending’ debate in my experience – so ill say up front i respect all MGTOW opinions but i dont have time to get into a debate. We are all MGTOW here and that is the important thing what unites us. Peace brothers 🙂

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[Anonymous 3]

This post reminded me of a video:

This was an excellent presentation about the status quo of genetic engineering. what is stated is that geneticists found out programming had more to do with genetics than any other field. They where calling out was for the computer community (hackers) to get into the field.

There has been talk about genetic hacking and homemade genetic research. This is the stuff of nightmare…

This area can create tremendous damage. There isthe possibility of humans changing themselves, initially for good reasons, and eventually for bad. The outcomes have been explored in countless SciFi books and movies. Blade Runner, Brave new world, just to name a few…

It reminds me of a joke:

An angel runs to God with bad news,
– Lord, the humans have found out the genetic code.
– Damned hackers ! – says the Lord – I have to change the password again.

[TrailbossParticipant 1844]

Ahhh the OSI model! Been a while since I taught that stuff in computer schools! That and TCP/IP and subnetting! Took a while to get it for myself, but the DNA stuff is pure greek!

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[iMickey503Participant 12468]

Thanks everyone for your amazing insights!

After doing tons of reading, DNA, may be some kind of code, but its execution of the code is still a long ways off at least from a direct input output model.

From a layman’s explanation, we have the building blocks. But the compiler required to simulate the environment that would allow the code to be executed is at least 60 years away.

The complexity of the end product built from ~700Mb DNA code;is millions of times more complex than its instruction set seems absurd and wonderful at the same time.

And Christopher, God, or whomever is always welcome to the argument. Some things can’t be explained and so we have to come to the most next logical theory. If the evidence stacks up, and both arguments are given, then there should be no problem.

But as always, there is always that bastard that wants it “HER WAY” or the highway. And that is where the reasonable part of god; creator; designer or whatever you may wish to explain it is a valid viewpoint.

But however you think about it, it should still follow the scientific method. And there is nothing wrong with voicing your belief on things. And its f~~~ed up that anyone should have to even error on the side of caution on MGTOW.com. 🙂 So please, anyone who reaches this should not polite about it.

Those that can not handle a different viewpoint is the very reason why we are in the basket we are in today. Idea’s are what makes humanity great.

For me, I have to take the word of others since I can not tell you if any of this is a fact since have not sat down and went over the Scientific papers or full on books about the subject written by reputable authors or pundits on the subject. But that’s not the important part.

The important part is that we all have fun learning about this stuff, and maybe we can pass it on so that in the future, we may be able to do stuff with the insight.

If that comes from god, so be it. I am no expert on the Bible, nor would I want to read the whole thing. But I am sure somewhere it said be fruitful. Seems odd anyone giving that as advice would discourage learning no matter how it comes about. As long as we get to the end of the mystery, I think that’s a very MGTOW thing to do.

Sorry about the rant.

Back to DNA, I wonder if anyone has written a program that was able to take the most simplest of lifeforms Pneumonia, –
( From my basic looking around on the subject) I found that Pneumonia, (I did
not know it was a bacteria, I thought it was just a health condition in very
layman’s terms to a headache)
And then build it from scratch from DNA on a simulator of sorts to see if we can start to see how we can take such a basic form of life, then see if we can further prove the evolutionary theory.

If this simple model is possible, and repeatable, then we can do further research in how to develop cures for things like Radiation sickness.

The reason why this is so important, is that if space exploration is possible in the long term, the effects of Cancer and other diseases that could be encountered in the future during long term space travel could be counteracted.

Downsides I can see is making an exact simulation of a brain or person creating digital life.

The real issue would be, do we have the right to pull the plug? Does it have the right to exist? Would this be the perfect way to explore for off reaches of space since power would be its only real requirement? Would this even be ethical since it robs the being of being able to operate in our so called “Real world”.

The 13th floor comes to mind.

If we were able to do so, then what plans would we be making in order to make a infrastructure of that hardware self repairing and sustaining?

A larger question would be, is the natural world a better computing platform since we are then giving nature the keys to its survival thus cutting us off the hook of responsibilities?

More exciting questions would be if we can actually suspend life as we know it, and then make electronic transmission of ourselves possible, would we be able to explore things out of our physical understanding.

Here is my understanding of this. Humans are limited to what and where we can go physically. If we have a model of how Gravity works for example, then we can start modeling the universe to explore it virtually.

Basicly, you no longer have the need to physically be there. You could develop a machine that would become your nervous system and be able to explore it just as if you were there.

This is why this is so important to me. The other being that anyone who had this power could model people in real time, and see where the world is going to end up and be able to tell the future at some point or be able to give reliable predictions of that future.

Pretty cool stuff if you ask me.

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