Raising children with another man vs rejected alternative

[KrombopulosMichaelParticipant 8]

Greetings,

I’m in my early 20s and sexually attracted to both, men and women. Since going MGTOW, I’ve abandoned my hopes of finding a romantic partner in a woman, but because I want to have children, this creates an obvious dilemma. I’ve considered the option of settling down with a man and seeking a surrogate, but I’m concerned that raising a child as two dads, without a traditional mother may be detrimental to his development (feel free to dispute this). Furthermore, although I have yet to do extensive research on the subject, I imagine that acquiring a surrogate mother as a gay couple would be difficult. On the other hand, the alternative of settling down with a woman solely for the purpose of having children is uninviting, to say the least, not to mention, incredibly risky (with the unfortunate possibility of losing my children!).

I’d like to know 1) how any gay/bi MGTOWs who wanted to children solved this dilemma and/or 2) if anyone here managed to raise a child in an association with a woman while avoiding all the trappings of female nature.

Thank you in advance.

[joetechParticipant]

That’s a tall order. I’ve read stories about surrogates deciding they want to keep the child at the end of the pregnancy. I’d look into adopting if it were me. As for female influences in a child’s life, there will be many at school and at activities the child will be involved in. Having a two parent household sounds ideal, however it’s the quality of the parents that matters, not the quantity. A mother can be overbearing and smothering, making a child resentful, but then so can dads. Parenthood is hard, tricky, and there is no manual that covers everything.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[Anonymous 42]

Raising children? Are you f~~~ing crazy? Spend your one and only life water skiing with an anchor?

I don’t think this is the place to get family advice on dudes doing dudes and raising children, I think you’re part of the problem and not the solution.

Modern gender blender bender bulls~~~ isn’t our business.

DON’T MARRY.

DON’T HAVE CHILDREN.

NEVER SURRENDER SOVEREIGNTY.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

Welcome to the forum.

There are gay members on here but I don’t often see them post. I too wanted children at one point, but, I’m glad I didn’t have them now. S~~~ty world to bring them up in n’ all that. Someone will be able to advise on your dilema. Personally, I’d probably go to a non Feminised country to do the deed then re-immigrate with the child legally yours.

Greg.

It's Time to get Wise

[KrombopulosMichaelParticipant 8]

I think you’re part of the problem and not the solution.

You sound awfully similar to the feminists and SJWs whom you probably hate.

[KrombopulosMichaelParticipant 8]

Thanks for your reply.

Personally, I’d probably go to a non Feminised country to do the deed then re-immigrate with the child legally yours.

I’ve only thought about this briefly, but I might actually end up seriously looking into it.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

KrombopulosMichael wrote:

You sound awfully similar to the feminists and SJWs whom you probably hate

Careful now………. You know not of whom you are speaking to.

[KrombopulosMichaelParticipant 8]

That’s a tall order. I’ve read stories about surrogates deciding they want to keep the child at the end of the pregnancy. I’d look into adopting if it were me.

Right, the surrogate’s decision to keep the child is another concern. Adoption would definitely be simpler, but I’d like to have my own children.

As for female influences in a child’s life, there will be many at school and at activities the child will be involved in. Having a two parent household sounds ideal, however it’s the quality of the parents that matters, not the quantity. A mother can be overbearing and smothering, making a child resentful, but then so can dads. Parenthood is hard, tricky, and there is no manual that covers everything.

I suppose you’re right. Perhaps it’d be good enough to simply ensure that my child is only exposed to positive female influence – motherly and nurturing, instead of feminist.

[KrombopulosMichaelParticipant 8]

Careful now………. You know not of whom you are speaking to.

You’re right, I don’t. But based on the reply I’ve received, I got the impression that I was dealing with a fanatic, instead of a reasonable man.

EDIT: Look, I’m not here to pick a fight. I digress.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

KrombopulosMichael wrote:

I got the impression that I was dealing with a fanatic, instead of a reasonable man

He is a long term respected member.

KrombopulosMichael wrote:

I’m not here to pick a fight.

Fair enough. Lets move on.

[narwhalParticipant]

I can’t speak regarding the surrogate issue, but as a single father, I think the need for a mother is somewhat overrated.

In some ways, parenting for babies and toddlers come a little easier for women than men maybe, but men are built to adapt to the task at hand. And part of the biggest need, I think, is the need for 2 parents over just 1. They can serve to give each other a break and better figure out parenting decisions.

As the kids get older, the need more discipline and direction than nurturing. Men are very much capable of handling this.

I’ll be honest with you, I have traditionally been against a homosexual lifestyle most of life. These days I’m mostly indifferent. When it comes to parenting, I think I kind of think a child is better off growing off with two gay dads, even if they aren’t the best at providing discipline and direction, then a single mom.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 42]

KrombopulosMichael wrote:

I think you’re part of the problem and not the solution.

You sound awfully similar to the feminists and SJWs whom you probably hate.

You don’t know a damn thing about me and obviously projecting hate, you’re the one full of games from being head f~~~ed in so many ways…

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

^^^^^^ I warned you OP. ^^^^^^

[GrumpyParticipant]

IMHO
If you decide to raise children, 2 “parents” are better than 1 as long as BOTH the parents back each other up.
Regardless of the relationship scenario the additional “support” is always helpful.

Would I raise a kid now?
Nope, been there, lost the t-shirt.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

KrombopulosMichael wrote:

but because I want to have children, this creates an obvious dilemma.

WHY?? Do you want children??

I wanted them, as well, in my 20’s. Now that I’m in my 50’s, I’m overjoyed it didn’t happen. Seriously, why??

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Well OP I also think this times are terrible for a child.

Welcome to the forums. Definitely two parents is the best choice. Can’t say if two dads is a good idea… but definitely this age woman are terrible mothers.

Careful with tower, not a bad guy but got a hound Nose.

Most MGTOW are against the idea of reproduction for obvious reasons, and you will find 25000 diferent opinions.

Good luck

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Anonymous 6]

[KeymasterKeymaster]

KrombopulosMichael wrote:

Greetings,

Greetings.

KrombopulosMichael wrote:

I’m in my early 20s and sexually attracted to both, men and women.

Sorry – and no offense – but I don’t get that. Does not compute.

If you’re attracted to men, OK then. But I really think “bi” is bulls~~~.

KrombopulosMichael wrote:

I’ve abandoned my hopes of finding a romantic partner in a woman, but because I want to have children, this creates an obvious dilemma.

No offense again, you’re too young.

That’s not a negative dig by the way. It’s a GOOD thing. And many successful men will tell you not to even THINK about this stuff until you are already well on your way to achieving your dreams. Many would place this at 26 at the earliest… and quite frankly, I would say 30+ before you START to have your s~~~ together as a man.

If at 31 you’re still flipping coins about being attracted to both sexes, then this is all a question for another time. If you’re well put together, you’re gonna learn A LOT about yourself in the next 8-12 years…. and even your desire to have kids at all will change.

KrombopulosMichael wrote:

I’m concerned that raising a child as two dads, without a traditional mother may be detrimental to his development (feel free to dispute this).

I would not dispute that and believe all kids need a mom and dad.

KrombopulosMichael wrote:

If anyone here managed to raise a child in an association with a woman while avoiding all the trappings of female nature.

I have a friend with 2 brothers who both have kids by surrogates. One made the CRITICAL mistake of dating the surrogate (who stayed with him for a while) and he’s in a mess of s~~~ right now…. due to a small lesbian loophole in the law which says if a woman lives with you for any time, she can claim to be “the mother” of your kids.

She’s a doctor now too (was a medical student) and is not fighting for custody. She just wants his f~~~ing money even though she has her own, and she is just trying to f~~~ him over – because she can.

In other words, don’t be stupid.

KrombopulosMichael wrote:

Thank you in advance.

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[Anonymous 42]

Keymaster wrote:

Does not compute.

[bladeParticipant]

Three and a half years been a solo dad after my two kids dumped on my door step . The discrimination its self is damaging not to just your self but the kids to . My daugther who is back and with me and still young discussed it with me yesterday .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

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