Raising a Son: Question about instilling Red-Pill values

[cyclesomaticParticipant 137]

I apologize if A.) This topic has been discussed at length before; and, B.)  If I’ve put this in the wrong place on the forum.  I’m posing an open question asking for feedback on this topic.

 

A bit of background….. I’m a 42 year old father of an great 12 (nearly 13) year old boy.  Since taking my first red pill and following it with the appropriate doses of red pills, I’m clearly seeing him being indoctrinated into blue pill society.  He’s starting to mimic blue pillers and I’m trying to get advice from fathers that have been through this already.  He’s a bright, articulate, smaller than average yet good looking kid.  He makes friends fast and girls like him.  He’s doing just fine in many aspects yet I can see him adopting the neediness that I had for years.  He seems to have a need to seek approval from girls.  He had his first “girlfriend” this year at school (7th grade).  She, being a 13 year old girl from a divorced home, came replete with all the drama and subversion of grown women.  I saw it when she broke up with him.  She said she didn’t trust him, thought he was lying about something, blah blah blah.

His mother is a vain, controlling, emotionally unstable narcissist.  She’s very into her looks and the outward image she projects to others.  What others think is of the highest importance to her although it never seemed to matter what I thought.  She loved to ask for my input on decisions and then disregard my thoughts and go with her own ideas.

So, to the purpose of my post:  What is the right approach for a red pill father to pass down this logical approach to life in general, and to women, specifically, to his son?  Is there a right way and a right time to broach this subject?  I’m sure there is both a right way and a right time.  I just can’t figure out for myself when and how.  So I’m asking for stories from you all as to how and when you did it, if you did it at all.  If you decided not to at all, why?  (I doubt there are many in this group that have decided NOT to since this can be a life or death issue.  Literally).

Any input welcomed here.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Boys absorb their father’s behavior as if by osmosis. Therefore, first and foremost, be an example. I’d keep my edifying lectures to a few short sentences. At the same time, I’d always be ready with a explanation for what I am doing, whether it is servicing the car or ducking an unwelcome social event.

Mind you, I have only my experiences growing up to base this on. I have not tried to raise a boy of my own.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

I have three sons myself.  They are 21, 12, and 9 years old.

The 21 year old is fairly purple pill.  I say this because he will consciously tell you that he doesn’t trust women overall but is looking for a unicorn.  I have taken him as far as I can with the red pills.

I have talked with him about a vasectomy, but he says he is holding out for male contraception.  I believe that this is either trepidation on having his unit permanently fixed, or he wants to be available for the unicorn.

RoyDal wrote:

Therefore, first and foremost, be an example. I’d keep my edifying lectures to a few short sentences.

Sage Advice.

The 12 year old.  I have had conversations with him on the following subjects.

In the not so distant future, your mother is going to start talking about grand babies.  You don’t have the responsibility to procreate because of what she says.  You have too many things to accomplish in your life to even think about kids for the next 15 years or so.

You don’t have to get married.  You first responsibility is to yourself.

If women are equal, then they don’t need you to open doors, carry their things, or for you to give them money.

Women want babies and they need a man’s support to accomplish this.  You don’t owe any woman babies, let alone financial support.

His mother is a mind game playing, control game playing, wheedling, hen pecking, immature adolescent that cannot think beyond her middle school vision of what a family should look like.  When I see him acting like his mother I call him on it.  The conversation usually goes something like: “Do you like it when your mother talks to you that way?  If not then why are you talking to me or his brother that way?  You are old enough to start examining your mother’s and my behavior and decide what aspects you agree or disagree with.  If you disagree with the way either your mother or I speak to you, then you should not speak that way yourself.”

The 9 year old.

He has expressed that he wants a family already.  The only thing that I can say to this is “You can worry about a family after you turn 30”.

Final word.  Confront the issues head on without using jargon of blue pill, red pill etc.  While you would save your son that pain of what you have been through, one day he will be grown man and have to make his own decisions and mistakes.  Hopefully his mistakes will be near misses and they can reflect on the lessons that you have taught, and the lessons that his mother has taught through her example.  Then the lesson will be driven home.  The best you can hope for is to be prepared to catch them should they fall, be supportive, and have a spare bedroom ready.

When he is older, college age or so, suggest he have male contraception implanted.  Pay for it if you can.  If he is incapable of making babies then he can have first hand knowledge of some girl trying to fake a pregnancy to get at him and his money and resources.

Lastly.  As they mature, try not to be overtly judgmental.  This will alienate him and drive him away from you.

Let him have his say, and discuss issues with him as though he is an adult but using the language a young person can understand.  He will appreciate this as I assume that his mother talks down to him.

Remember, he is a future adult despite him being a child right now.  He will be an adult for the majority of his life.  Childhood, while a time of fun and freedom from a lot of responsibility, is a time for preparation for adulthood.

Never reject.  Question behavior but never a child’s personality.

 

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[StandUpGuyParticipant 334]

RoyDal wrote:

Boys absorb their father’s behavior as if by osmosis.

Make no apologies for the red-pill-life; you are teaching him to be a man. I takes strenth to stand up to this blue-pill-world; do it with a smile. Sure you will get criticized and confronted; but that is what stone walling is all about.

[StandUpGuyParticipant 334]

By the way I am a new father and I already but the gynos in my family on notice.

[Anonymous 25]

Boys aspire to be like their fathers. I think the best influence is to lead by example. They are bound to be curious and have certain urges as they get to a certain age. As long as they don’t get anyone pregnant, no harm done. They may need to make a few mistakes of their own, but they are likely to be far more aware and learn quicker and respond better.

I’m looking forward to seeing 2nd generation mgtow boys evolve. They will have a wealth of knowledge we had to learn through trial and error. They will be able to take this to new levels we haven’t even imagined yet.

[kizellParticipant 368]

Just tell him the truth, the whole truth,  and nothing but the truth.   No need to sugar coat anything.   He needs to understand completely if he is to make the right choices in life

[Anonymous 13]

Anonymous wrote:

they are likely I’m looking forward to seeing 2nd generation mgtow boys evolve. They will have a wealth of knowledge we had to learn through trial and error. They will be able to take this to new levels we haven’t even imagined yet.

 

They are surrounded by women and a few ignorant men who were in their place and manginas….they have little or no contact with thier fathers,  the future looks bleak and as our government grows in proportion with new technologies and methods to indoctrinate and covertly control us….im sorry I dont share your optimism.  I kind of want to believe war is the answer…Im at a loss here, the s~~~s to complicated to out of hand, but ive been in war and also sat through a kangaroo court hearing where baby mamma fake cried and lied to through her teeth as the judge didnt look into any of my evidence – and took my kids from me-and I would rather be in war than to go through that, then to go through this!!!

[kizellParticipant 368]

Anonymous wrote:

Machiavelli wrote:

they are likely I’m looking forward to seeing 2nd generation mgtow boys evolve. They will have a wealth of knowledge we had to learn through trial and error. They will be able to take this to new levels we haven’t even imagined yet.

They are surrounded by women and a few ignorant men who were in their place and manginas….they have little or no contact with thier fathers, the future looks bleak and as our government grows in proportion with new technologies and methods to indoctrinate and covertly control us….im sorry I dont share your optimism. I kind of want to believe war is the answer…Im at a loss here, the s~~~s to complicated to out of hand, but ive been in war and also sat through a kangaroo court hearing where baby mamma fake cried and lied to through her teeth as the judge didnt look into any of my evidence – and took my kids from me-and I would rather be in war than to go through that, then to go through this!!!

I feel the same way.  I see little to be optimistic about.  I think it will all lead to some kind of catastrophe in the future.   I’m just going to separate myself from the unenlightened and watch the s~~~ fall apart as I keep going my own way, no matter where it takes me

[bcrogerParticipant 113]

Start by saying:
“Be careful of girls they can make you sick (or have germs.)” when ever you see a women nagging or physically or emotionally abusing her husband in public, point that out to him. Say something like “I feel sorry for that guy, he is being abused by his wife”(maybe not in that exact way, but in a similar way.)

Also show him some MGTOW type movies. Try to find some movie that depicts women abusing her husband (these movies are extremely rare, but try to find it anyways.)

I don’t have a lot of advice, but try these.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

He needs to find his unique way, and look to develop it.  My suggestion, I am not a father, but an outsider to stupidity in life, is to encourage him to grow into his own man, be sure of it, and not screw it up in the process.  By him having good reasons to support his way, he can stay out of a lot of problems and BS Blue Pill peer pressure.  Blue Pill kids want to do some of the dumbest things on the planet, in order to fit in, and because everyone else is doing it.

Well, my take on this.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Just MikeParticipant 393]

I don’t have kids but looking at this gynocentric society it does seem to be an uphill battle. Even though you should be an important figure in your sons life there’s going to be a lot of white noise to contend with from external influences. Definitely worth the fight though.

When I was growing up my dad gave me a lot of good advice but I was too young and headstrong and didn’t really get along with him so I went and and did my own thing. Learnt exactly what he said the hard way; I don’t regret any of my experiences because they made me who I am today but maybe I could’ve saved some time getting there. It was the method of delivery that put me off absorbing what he told me, he was pretty hard-line/old-school. Didn’t discuss things, just told me what to do and if I didn’t do it he got pretty loud or hit me, used to scare the s~~~ out of me right up until the day I realised I could beat the f~~~ out of him if I wanted to. Since then, no problems and I don’t harbour anything against him because he had a pretty s~~~ upbringing and didn’t know better back then. He fought his own battle to change and I broke the chain. I rarely get angry or violent, it’s a waste of time.

Bit off topic but the point is there’s times when you’ve got to put your foot down (that’s a lesson in itself and something this generation of men raised by single mothers will miss out on) but be open with your son, be transparent, discuss things with him and treat him as an equal. Being on the receiving end of that sort of respect and support will teach him self-respect and that’s what’s sorely missing in men these days, the strength to look inward for affirmation, to know he’s OK for walking his own path. You’re lucky you can have an influence and play a part in his life so stay strong and fight the good fight. Hope I’m not out of my depth giving my two cents whilst not having kids but best of luck to you dude!

Society: I refuse your stick and carrot. If you try to beat or shame me you'd better take me down first time. If I want smoke blown up my ass I'll buy a cigar and a length of hose.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

My son has been trained red pill but is 18 and kissing up to girls to get in their favor (pants). It’s time to tell him about false accusations and the new Yes means Yes laws to keep him protected. I fear he will make a child as 18 is pretty immature for boys, not so much for girls (maybe that’s how the human race has survived the obvious down side for men in procreating in the society of women).

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I would also add here, if you have a son and want him to go his own way, it has to be his own way.  I would say Blue Pill men want their sons to be Mini-Me’s of themselves for validation, while a Red Pill man welcomes a son doing his own thing, so long as it isn’t inanely stupid and will screw his son the rest of his son’s life.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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