Quite an ingenius coup…

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Hi there,

I would like to put forward something that I would regard as an ingenious coup that a comedian from my country has pulled (and thus he could arguably be the poster person of a MGTOW standup com.). What he basically did was first and foremost (like most comedians would) didn’t take anything seriously and especially not women. And he did that pretty much through the back door so to speak by elevating women even higher up into the stratosphere of their hypergamy game through (as in male) self irony and in that entertaining them women (successfully btw) whilst simultaneously scratching on their very self worth notions. So his whole successful show program was kind of entitled “men have to be attacked shamed and shunned, because they are not worth jack sh**. In that televised program he even divided the whole audience intentionally into two groups (as in males and females) by the seating arrangement.

Now I can only translate a few of his jokes but here we go:

At one point he asks into the direction of the female audience something like: “Hey women, do you like to be handed out gifts…?” And all women (as to be expected) unanimously go like: “Yeeeeahhh!” Next question: “Do you deserve to get them..?” Again the same unanimous shouted answer: “Yeeaaah!!!” Final question: “Why…?” followed by  lots of random and chaotic murmuring on the female front and very shortly after that followed by the hilarious laugh from the other fraction of the audience just classic!!!

With regard to gifts he also points out that language to a woman is being regarded by them as a gift whereas language to men is regarded by them as a weapon (“you see, ladies..?” his quote).

Another joke like point he is making about language is that women use it wherever they go just to evaluate every and any place or room they enter going like: “bla bla bla bla bla bla baaa, you know a bit like bats use ultra sound (being reflected from any possible obstacles) for their orientation within the environment they fly in. So (explaining to the male audience) if you as men don’t answer to  whenever women talk, then she most probably will crash into the next best tree, right..? Not a pretty sight that is, huh..?”

Or at one point he sais “Oh yes, and us men we should definitely listen better to what women say. For instance whenever they say things like: Hey, I want a child from you. Yes right, pay very close attention to what she just said and take it literally at face value because she just said it: I want a child from you, but not with you, right…?”

And because every now and then in quite a few of his jokes he keeps going back to elevating women again and again onto goddess like heights (or onto a pedestal) in an exaggerated type of style even at the last joke that I quoted (with all of its inherent somewhat hidden truth) yes even at that point not only the men but also the women laughed…

Now, let me ask you this, (guys, your opinions please): Since that show was ever such a successful one couldn’t that concept behind it in part be adopted by us MGTOWS and thus from time to time putting us into the position of the somewhat outsmarting “wolves in the sheep skin” maybe even sometimes not being afraid of ridiculing ourselves every now and then (as in self irony) and at the same time training ourselves heavily within the field of general rhetoric to get prepared for any and every suddenly up and coming confrontations or even possible s~~~ storms should they arise…?

What do you think..?

As I said, open for suggestions and thoughts on this one, fly them in.

 

Bless

Ned T.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[AntaresParticipant 208]

Do you deserve to get them..? Why…?”

I’m a bit surprised they didn’t simultaniously answer. “I don’t know… just because.”

This reminds me a billboard I saw feeding modern narcasism. The gist was “blah blah {our product}. Because you deserve it.” I deserve what? I haven’t done anything, I don’t deserve s~~~. But for a woman, she’s entitled to it and will cook up some reason in her head for justifacation.

Outsmarting women is pitting logic (which has rules) against emotion (which does not). I’m sure we all have examples where whe called a woman out on her bulls~~~ with logic, then it devolved in to being about her feelings, and perhaps it ended with her crying – inevitably causeing you to be shamed by others for making her feel bad – even if you appologize. So it’s all about delivery.

There’s something to pulling this off with finesse, allowing you to shut women down on their crap, and if done the right way doesn’t sound hostile nor threatening. Which isn’t me, because I’m bad at telling jokes and I always sound like an asshole. I think the thread about how to respond to common shaming tactics is a good start. Find a way in good humor to turn it around, which diffuses the situation without escalating into an argument.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get. -- Ben Graham

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

I can see that you Antares by and large understood me. Even I was quite baffled that there was such a sudden confusion amongst the female audience upon the question of “why” but it all the more showed me that quite evidently women don’t really know what they want after all, which really amused me to no end just like it obviously did to the male part of the audience straight after…

Anyway, when I said we should probably get more fit in terms of rhetoric skills now surely this all will take some time (of practice) but I am very confident that we can do it. It could even be fun to learn such skills in a rather laid back type of fashion (as in without too much pressure). I mean, Jambear gave some hilarious comments upon female shaming I honestly couldn’t stop laughing about for a while and I was even inspired by it myself. At the end of the day: open your minds fellas and try your best to get better and better because let’s face it: Aren’t we man all about competition on the one hand but rather likely to help out our (maybe weaker) fellas on the other (as in real co-operations) whereas women (on the surface of things!) tend to be nice to one another (girlfriends like) although in reality to one another they actually are their worst types of enemies imaginable…? That is the very biggest bluff they continuously and even successfully pull on us, so let’s not be fooled by this anymore at all, right chaps..?

This very MGTOW movement is also to some extend a test on how well we all can really work together in the best way possible as real allies as opposed to false (female) allies which in effect are nothing but lonely harsh pitiful competitors.

You know, tonight I went out and (secretly) knowing that the whole MGTOW movement is eventually going to spill over towards Germany, too it really gave me such a boost. Right now, I regard myself as (probably) one of the very first “early adopters” within my country and it truly is such an inner pleasure constantly thinking: “I already know what will be coming within the next few years, so all of you ‘blue pill swallowers’ out there, wait and see for yourselves…” It puts quite a laid back and maybe even a bit smug (fair enough) “inner smile” onto my face so that even my overall radiance is starting to change…

Anyway, here we also have an old saying that goes like: “if you can’t persuade your “enemy” then at least confuse him (or rather her)” and that should be quite easy to achieve. So, yes, go out and flirt with women (for a while) and then totally p~~~ ’em off again and then start flirting again and finally pull the plug once you might have had enough fun doing this, almost as if to strike them with their own weapons as in being utterly inconsistent but at the same time never lose your satisfied sheepish smile whatever you do, it will drive them nuts…! They will ultimately start thinking: “S~~~, is the whole world only full of creeps now…?” And then your inner thoughts you might go: “Yeah right on bitches, you might want to be proud of yourselves now, that things have come to this aren’t ya..?” and in that sense you can hardly even lose your inner smirking grin sleazily mirroring their behaviors without even vaguely caring about what they might think of you… … that is true freedom!!!  —> just don’t take ’em seriously but literally playfully play with them…!

 

Cheer up guys we will get there as a team…

 

Best

 

Ned T.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

I think I agree with the idea of what you are proposing Ned, but I’m not sure I’m really up to it. Engaging with women over some of the dumb s~~~ that floats around in their heads (i.e. ‘why you deserve gifts’) seems a little like a waste of time. I won’t criticize you for doing it if you want to. But for me, I just look at it as: what can I get from the conversation that will benefit me? I can show women to be childish, irrational and unrealistic…but I know these things already. I can reenforce my decision to abandon them to their attitude, but that decision doesn’t need any reenforcement.

Regardless of how the conversation proceeds, I am certain that there is ZERO chance of me learning anything of value from it. I am equally certain that there’s no chance of getting women to improve or change anything about themselves in response to a conversation like this. (None of the women in that comedy show who were shown to have no reason to deserve these gifts… are going to change their expectation of getting these unearned gifts). It might be fun for comedy or entertainment for you, but don’t expect anything with them to change much.

My cynicism comes from a conversation I once had with my ex. My ex had a degree and brains enough to earn a nice chunk of change to help me with the start up costs of marriage (down payment for house and cars etc) when we first got married. But she refused to make any effort at all, and turned down opportunities that were offered to her. Conversations that I attempted to start to discuss her refusal to do anything to help acquire all the things she wanted would start out civil and rapidly deteriorate into fights over her accusations about me cheating on her.

We both knew I wasn’t cheating on her. I knew those accusations were just an attempt to create a distraction. They would not even come up if I didn’t mention her unemployment. Knowing this, I invited her to MC (which she agreed to) as I prepared my response to those accusations: I’m thorough enough in the way that I manage my finances that I can account for each dollar I’ve earned or spent since 1995. I have all the receipts, check stubs and credit card statements so that if ever audited for taxes, I can account for everything down to the last dollar.

I only have one cell phone whose number has never changed since 1997, and I have every bill (these are tax deductible for me) showing every number I’ve made or taken a call to or from with date and time stamps. I’m a doctor but work on contract by the hour and so I have to keep the medical records of procedures that indicate the times that I was working in increments of 15 minutes… When I wasn’t working, I was home with the ex. All my time is documented.

The point of all this is that when my ex was making those accusations, I could prove that I had no unaccounted for money, no unaccounted for phone calls, and no unaccounted for time. So if there was a woman anywhere who was having an affair with me, she would be doing it without me spending any money on her, without ever speaking to her on the phone, and without me spending more time with her than it took me to walk to the parking lot to go home after finishing up at work. There might be women who want to sleep with drs, but not under those circumstances.

We had our final argument over it in a female MC office at $200 per hour. My ex’s response to this when I laid it out for her was to listen and then say, “I don’t care…I still don’t trust you…”. MC looked over at me for a response and my response to this was, “Since I can prove what I’m saying, I don’t really need trust. Trust is for people who need you to take their word for something. I have proof, so I don’t require trust, and am not even asking for it.”.

My ex’s response, “All the proof in the world doesn’t prove anything…”.

What the f~~~ can possibly be gained from trying to have a conversation with someone whose mind works like this? She didn’t even believe what she was saying. But she said it anyway in the hope that the conversation would veer off to an argument about the value of proof…and never really get back to the real issue of her unemployment. I didn’t bite.

When she said that, I didn’t respond. I just sat there for a few seconds and let that statement sort of hang in the air. The MC looked over at me, and didn’t say anything either. But I could see pretty well what she was thinking by the look on her face. What she was thinking was, “You’re wasting your time with this person…but I can’t say that to you out loud and I can’t tell if you have figured it out yet or not…”. So I just looked her straight in the eye and nodded slowly. I knew. MC knew. We finished that hour just talking about miscellaneous bulls~~~…going through the motions as if we had not just heard what we just heard. My ex thought she’d won the argument. Without ever saying a word out loud about it, the MC and I both knew what was about to happen.

The next appt I made was not with a MC, it was with a divorce attorney, and I didn’t take my ex. The MC never called back to check on us or to see if we wanted to make another appointment.

I’ve never tried to demonstrate their irrationality to anyone of them again since then. I realized at that point that they already know how unreasonable and irrational they are, but are so accustomed to getting a pass for it that they will not acknowledge it even when it’s clearly apparent to everyone in the room. They have not only gotten a pass for it, but by clinging to it long and tightly enough, they’ve usually ended up being rewarded with it somehow. So making it apparent, even to everyone in the room, is still a waste of time, even when you succeed. It doesn’t embarrass them, and they have no significant capacity for shame about it…

The only message I can see getting through to them far enough to have any impact on their behavior is the message guys like us and sites like this one are sending them that says, “We no longer want you…”. If you say this or write this to them, you are still acknowledging and engaging them on some level, and they know they still have your attention.

This a message best delivered by absence and silence.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[AntaresParticipant 208]

I’m with BrainPilot mainly because I’m lazy lol. MGTOW means I don’t have to engage with females actively or passively, I’m free of all that now. But as I was reading his story (which is a damn good one) I started thinking that’s in a way rhetoric too. Men have many stories to tell about the s~~~ we’re getting, but no where to speak. When I first came to this site I read through all the introductions, ALL OF THEM. One of the most powerful aspects of going MGTOW is simply telling your story and looking at the truth. Feminists can say all the want, but I can see with my eyes, feel with my heart, and wonder where the money went in my wallet. Either everything I know is false, or they’re the ones who are wrong.

But I see this from an English speaking perspective. Ned, you call yourself an early adapter in Germany, and that’s a different situation. It’s really important to get MGTOW going in other languages as soon as possible. In the English speaking sphere it’s still only brewing, and the only shaming they really have for us is “those guys can’t get laid”. As women wake up to the fact that men are leaving them entirely, there will be more claiming to turn their back on feminism in the hopes of coaxing men back to the plantation. Eventually I think this will cause a feminist panic and it will turn ugly really fast. If the feminists arm themselves with some anti MGTOW contingency plans in English, it’ll be quickly adopted in other countries. And I think this will impede getting our message out there.

It’s criticle that MGTOW gets a foothold in every language possible. All we need is our foot in the door to allow men to speak. As women continue their crazy s~~~ and men are treated like garbage, men will begin to wake up. And in that regard, rhetoric will be very important but it doesn’t require flowery words or imagery; just the truth. If you know any guy (or you yourself) who’s willing to start up a youtube/forums on MGTOW in your language, don’t delay.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get. -- Ben Graham

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

@ BrainPilot & Antares:

Guys you may not be quite with me because I might be a little bit too fast for you, I dunno. The point is:

I am already thinking about the stage by the time women might indeed wake up upon having been ignored by us for so and so many years by which time at the very latest we will have to be very rhetorically fit. As you said Antares if over there they are already trying the ol’ shaming game a lot but mostly only on the basis of “Oh, guys guys just don’t get laid…”  or similar that is in reality really sad, because pathetic in a way of: “What..? Is that all you b*** can come up with…? Oh, please…! We know you…!”  In a sense make that out but in the most cheerful grinning type of way ie. like (her) “Oh, you just can’t get laid.. bla bla bla…” (you): “Hey listen you “beautiful” “all knowing” “too big to fail” type of “wise cracker” I could get laid any given time, but I simply know better, which is all there is to it really, nuff said so have a very nice successful and lucrative day and get a life for yourself, bye bye..!”  All we have to do is to deliver this or a similar kind of line with the utmost sovereignty possible underlining that with a nice cheeky grin on our face and done…

 

Yeah, freak ’em out I say especially once they start shaming and / or even trying to lure us into their so called “rescuing” arms once again…

And if at some point you might want to try to hit on them just for a laugh to cheer yourself up again for a change maybe even try it this way (from the “Curb your Enthusiasm” series) perhaps this could cheer you up and maybe even inspire you:

 

 

By the way I recently posted another inspiring comedian video under “Fun Stuff” (see “Charlie B. … ” thread) and it seems none of you have checked it out yet.

Ahh well….

 

Best Ned T.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

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